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Post by Shark on Oct 29, 2020 3:11:41 GMT -5
Yep same. I am not bitching abut this every week because I think it's fun to do so, I am just super frustrated. Especially, like you said, when I see just how great the nxt women are booked. Imagine if Jon Moxley was booked like this? Cody? FTR? All I can do is imagine because it would never happen. And it's doubly frustrating to me because it's goddamn Hikaru Shida. Probably my favourite wrestler in all of AEW. They really need to work segments into every week, then they don't have this problem. Have Nyla dodging matches, taking fines, hell even taking a countout loss or a forefit to someone because she is under protest to fight Shida and is sick of Shida dodging her. Meanwhile have Shida, even if it's on DARK, having matches with Hirsch and such because she's the fighting champion taking on all comers, and have Nyla just staring her down ringside and trying to her her to notice her. It's really not hard. If this is Kenny still leading the booking for the girls on the show I think we've more than seen enough and he needs to give more control to the likes of Dustin, hell even Rosa if she signs. I like Kenny, it's evident the women like him too from interviews and I'm sure he is trying, but it's pretty clear when the Joshi got locked out of the US his passion for booking this division died a death and the longer that's gone on the worse it's gotten. The on the fly booking is working for the men, it's not for the women, they need structure and a direction because fans have definitely tired of this approach.That really is a good point. It's worked for the men, but not for the women and after this amount of time, some real kind of change should be happening by now. I know Cody and Tony have said they won't do a lot of knee-jerk reactions to things, but one has to see the praise the NXT women are getting and try to figure out what they can do because it really does feel like the division is spinning in place. Even look at the title pictures. In NXT, you have Ember Moon who made a huge return as did Toni Storm. Both of them are former champions and have made their claims at challenging Io. You have Rhea who got a big win tonight and is still a major name in the division. Shotzi is getting over big and is on the bubble of contender status. That right there are 4 very very viable contenders. Look at AEW and right now it's really only Nyla as a serious challenger. Shida's already beaten everyone else including Rosa just a month ago. Other girls need the time to be built into credible contenders. Even if Nyla beats Shida, you're just stuck with the same problem of a lack of viable contenders.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 29, 2020 10:27:41 GMT -5
So...not actually a criticism, or a question I expect an answer to, but a genuine curiosity:
What is the deal with Rachael Ellering and Nicole Savoy at this point?
They both put in really good performances in what looked like two-match tryouts. Savoy's shown up for Shimmer and seems to have one booking elsewhere coming up, Ellering appears to be booked...nowhere. Granted, Ellering might be an attitude issue (Google turns up a few stories of her being unprofessional during matches) or a health issue (given her tryouts were her first matches back off a very bad injury), but I am really scratching my head with Savoy. My guess would be that they wanted to wrap up a solo feud for Big Swole before debuting her on TV as Lil Swole, except the Swole/Ford feud hasn't even made Dark while Ford's been hanging around Kip and Miro (was Big Swole just not able to come in for this last taping?) - suggesting that there isn't any singles business for Big Swole that's actually getting any kind of priority.
So...yeah. Confusion! Gotta wonder if Savoy just doesn't want to bother with a job on TV.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 29, 2020 10:33:55 GMT -5
Deeb and Shida did get promos, but Shida and Nyla have barely interacted with each other before their Full Gear title rematch, and that PPV's happening next Saturday.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 29, 2020 10:39:08 GMT -5
Deeb and Shida did get promos, but Shida and Nyla have barely interacted with each other before their Full Gear title rematch, and that PPV's happening next Saturday. Nyla not getting promo time has been a crime. She looked really energized by the addition of Vickie, but they haven't gotten to actually show their dynamic much at all. It's one of those times when I'm wondering if they have a stablemate debut lined up for the Shida match, and if Nyla with Vickie was the backup plan for All Out until the Thunder Rosa deal was finalized...but if they had someone worth debuting at All Out, they could surely have figured out another use for her by now? Plus, any time I make an optimistic guess as to where they are going with the women, the real answer is always going to be disappointing and dull in comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 11:02:49 GMT -5
Per Meltzer, both AEW and WWE are gonna make pitches to sign Rosa. So I guess hold onto your hats for how that turns out. Here's hoping she goes to AEW, who have already given her a lot, including a mainstay match on a PPV. She'd be an ace there without any doubt. I honestly don't think Rosa goes to WWE. She's already familiar with AEW, clearly likes them, I think she sees the potential there. Unless it's money that is just astronomical, which I don't see WWE offering, Thunder Rosa is All Elite. People still dream of working for WWE. Even as problematic as it can be. She isnt some performance center fitness model, she is the hottest free agent woman in a long time. She could skip NXT all together. Which ever brand she ends up on she’s going to be a top contender. WWE can match or outbid whatever AEW is offering. I half expect her to debut at the Royal rumble and win the whole damn thing.
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Post by Celgress on Oct 29, 2020 11:10:33 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Rosa goes to WWE. She's already familiar with AEW, clearly likes them, I think she sees the potential there. Unless it's money that is just astronomical, which I don't see WWE offering, Thunder Rosa is All Elite. People still dream of working for WWE. Even as problematic as it can be.She isnt some performance center fitness model, she is the hottest free agent woman in a long time. She could skip NXT all together. Which ever brand she ends up on she’s going to be a top contender. WWE can match or outbid whatever AEW is offering. I half expect her to debut at the Royal rumble and win the whole damn thing. This is sad but true considering what an immoral company WWE is: their handling of Covid-19 (including cutting people to make a greater profit), the infamous Saudi deal, Vince's checkered past, exact.
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Post by markymark on Oct 29, 2020 11:20:53 GMT -5
Nyla hasnt done much ever since the Tay match she accidently clawed her knee(Idk if she was being punished for that). Swole/Penelope seems to have been quietly dropped.
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Post by chrom on Oct 29, 2020 11:31:25 GMT -5
That explains why there's been nothing between Tay and Anna if she had got injured
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Post by markymark on Oct 29, 2020 11:42:08 GMT -5
That explains why there's been nothing between Tay and Anna if she had got injured It was a very minor injury though, and then her sending Abadon to the hospital last week that forced AEW to remove the match from broadcast.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 29, 2020 14:13:44 GMT -5
With Billy Corgan slnow saying Rosa is under contract till 2021, it makes the NWA Woman's Title thing all the more interesting to me. Especially with Deeb getting AEW merch now. I think the two companies working together, especially a semi talent exchange is a boon for both.
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Post by Facetious on Oct 29, 2020 14:51:21 GMT -5
Nyla hasnt done much ever since the Tay match she accidently clawed her knee(Idk if she was being punished for that). Swole/Penelope seems to have been quietly dropped. I'm not even sure why they're so reluctant to use Ford. She's solid in ring.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 29, 2020 14:57:19 GMT -5
Yeah, it's weird they're using Penelope Ford in purely a valet role right now when she's a good worker in her own right. Though that also means she gets a lot more screentime than a lot of other women on the roster, which is pretty sad.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 29, 2020 15:12:04 GMT -5
Honestly...that thing about the original plan being extensive use of joshi guest stars explains it a bit. Ford, Leva, Allie, Brandi - seemingly hired as valets who could occasionally wrestle while Shida, Riho, Yuka, Nyla, Statlander, Baker, and Big Swole wrestled a rotating series of guest stars. If they never intended Ford to be more than a valet who could wrestle to freshen up the match-ups, her booking makes sense...and also, that's sad, because she's legitimately really good.
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Post by markymark on Oct 29, 2020 16:43:25 GMT -5
Shida is rumored to be returning to Japan to film Makai in December, so Nyla likely wins the Womens title next week.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Oct 29, 2020 17:18:23 GMT -5
What a run she had
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 29, 2020 17:19:04 GMT -5
Shida is rumored to be returning to Japan to film Makai in December, so Nyla likely wins the Womens title next week. I assume Shida can come back because she has US Residency? That's apparently how WWE got Dunne back I'm ok with this if it means we can jumpstart the division here, I love Shida but her reign has been constantly bogged by how to seemingly use her, which shouldn't be hard, but it happens. If she doesn't drop it to Nyla she's gonna drop it soon after, and given the news about Rosa, I assume it would be to her.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 29, 2020 17:25:44 GMT -5
If dropped to Nyla, I can't say her reign was the worst thing ever, as I think she still had more successful matches with the belt than Nyla herself who was out of the company for months due to the original COVID outbreak with the belt Shida won against Nyla and defended it against Ford, Thunder Rosa, and Swole. The issue was the intermediates of those matches, which was her lack of appearances on AEW Dynamite. The irony is when Nyla wasn't around with the belt, Shida was wrestling every single week at the Georgia shows holding it down. I don't know if the juztaposition of her fighting every week to barely fighting when she became champion was because she marathon sprinted through almost the whole roster and they didn't want her to beat some girls again or take losses herself, but at the same time she still needed segments. Dedicating at least a minute to your Women's champion a week should be a priority. I hope that changes if she inevitably drops it to Nyla, if not her, soon after her.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 29, 2020 17:26:47 GMT -5
Nyla hasnt done much ever since the Tay match she accidently clawed her knee(Idk if she was being punished for that). Swole/Penelope seems to have been quietly dropped. I still think that match is just gonna happen on DARK at some point
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 29, 2020 17:28:19 GMT -5
Honestly...that thing about the original plan being extensive use of joshi guest stars explains it a bit. Ford, Leva, Allie, Brandi - seemingly hired as valets who could occasionally wrestle while Shida, Riho, Yuka, Nyla, Statlander, Baker, and Big Swole wrestled a rotating series of guest stars. If they never intended Ford to be more than a valet who could wrestle to freshen up the match-ups, her booking makes sense...and also, that's sad, because she's legitimately really good. I don't see how that can be true when Ford has wrestled quite a few very big matches in AEW already. Yeah she valets but she still wrestles at a decent clip and has had quite a few DARK matches. I just think it's a matter of finding her a storyline so I hope she and Swole have a match
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Post by Shark on Oct 29, 2020 17:41:49 GMT -5
People still dream of working for WWE. Even as problematic as it can be.She isnt some performance center fitness model, she is the hottest free agent woman in a long time. She could skip NXT all together. Which ever brand she ends up on she’s going to be a top contender. WWE can match or outbid whatever AEW is offering. I half expect her to debut at the Royal rumble and win the whole damn thing. This is sad but true considering what an immoral company WWE is: their handling of Covid-19 (including cutting people to make a greater profit), the infamous Saudi deal, Vince's checkered past, exact. If you go searching around for a successful company that doesn't have demons in the closet or some BS they pulled in the past or the owners or CEO having a checkered past, you'll die long before you actually find it.
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