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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 5, 2020 15:04:08 GMT -5
Wouldve agreed if only Shida Open Challenge wasnt completely lazy executed. You know what, all of this would be fine and hey, makes sense in some regards. Except the fact pretty much every other feud has been allowed to build except the women since Swole/Baker. Sure, the NWA stuff got play and Rosa was built big but that doesn’t mean much long term when the rest of the division still needs substantial build and talent needs time to be showcased on Dynamite more. All things being equal, some stuff wouldn’t get as much promo time as others and that would make sense if you want to emphasize it for that week. The problem is you have had opportunities to do that for the women and just...haven’t.
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Post by sunnytaker on Nov 5, 2020 15:04:23 GMT -5
I still think they should have went with Baker vs. Shida. You pushed Baker all summer just for her to disapear? Yeah she lost to Swole, but really didnt need to be rebuilt, she was stabbed in the leg with novacaine. Not only makes her badass but protects her as well. i actually think shida retains for this reason. nyla can move on to feud with brandi, or bandi vs allie, or three-way feud, four if you count anna jay- who knows? side note : how is brandi of all people involved in so many feuds?) and have britt be the one to dethrone shida since they already have a built in storyline with the broken nose and broken leg- both happening in matches with shida and heel britt is a much better option to have a championship run than bland face britt from the early days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 15:29:23 GMT -5
Wouldve agreed if only Shida Open Challenge wasnt completely lazy executed. Yeah, I actually 100% agree with what he said, it's just unfortunate that he's saying it while trying to defend booking that's felt quarter-assed for quite a while.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 5, 2020 17:16:50 GMT -5
Wouldve agreed if only Shida Open Challenge wasnt completely lazy executed. The point itself isn't a bad one and there's absolutely nothing wrong with more straight to the point sports oriented feuds The issue is, this isn't one feud people are upset with, it's the entire division of women barely getting showcased on TV and if they do it's short matches or nothing's really developing outside of a few girls. Then you bring the NWA Title in which is PERFECT for that type of rhetoric, but now it's getting in many peoples minds, more focus than your actual title, which has been back burnered for weeks. Nyla/Shida 2 has an easy build, and they really didn't even do much about it and they had weeks. They have a lot of wrestlers they have to focus on, I get that, and they book a lot of those wrestlers well, but they need to understand the optics of the women and especially the champion barely on TV and sometimes not even on TV at all some weeks, not looking good for their company in a time where women's wrestling is supposed to be on the rise and featured the last few years. The division has been railroaded by lockouts and injuries, but with the new signings and blossoming young talent, and potential new signings of the likes of Hirsch and Kay? The division's starting to fill out in talent even with the Joshi Lockout and Statlander being hurt. They need to figure out how to focus them and make them matter, excuses like this ain't really gonna work, it's gonna take action. They're good at listening to fans and fixing almost every other issue they've had, they can't have this being the thing that keeps tripping them up, it shouldn't be this hard.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 5, 2020 17:26:00 GMT -5
Super Cody who arguably hogs the limelight more than any other AEW talent has the audacity to say a Women's Championship Match doesn't need a storyline (aka a vital part of the build), after the entire division has been booked as a piss break afterthought for nearly a year now, shit, give me a break. Is this egotistical clown for real?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 5, 2020 17:32:37 GMT -5
Super Cody who arguably hogs the limelight more than any other AEW talent has the audacity to say a Women's Championship Match does need a storyline, after the entire division is booked as a piss break afterthought, shit, give me a break. I mean he was booked in a TNT Title Open Challenge with very little storyline every week, that was a good example of a "Sports Oriented feel" where not much needed to be said, he had new challengers every week, and good matches. It's really not the same with Shida/Nyla because Shida's barely even wrestled on Dynamite lately, let alone be featured since All Out especially, same with Nyla. It's such a weird contrast to how she was before she won the belt, where she was featured like mad every week, basically carried those Georgia tapings on her back along with Britt. The notion isn't a bad one, comparing it to the girls who have neded screen time period outside of one pocket they've put them in lately, does not hold water and it ain't gonna work.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 5, 2020 17:34:55 GMT -5
Nyla is an albatross in the division. Move on from her and let some of the newer people shine. It’s not like they don’t have the talent.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 5, 2020 17:36:42 GMT -5
Super Cody who arguably hogs the limelight more than any other AEW talent has the audacity to say a Women's Championship Match does need a storyline, after the entire division is booked as a piss break afterthought, shit, give me a break. I mean he was booked in a TNT Title Open Challenge with very little storyline every week, that was a good example of a "Sports Oriented feel" where not much needed to be said, he had new challengers every week, and good matches. It's really not the same with Shida/Nyla because Shida's barely even wrestled on Dynamite lately, let alone be featured since All Out especially, same with Nyla. It's such a weird contrast to how she was before she won the belt, where she was featured like bad every week, basically carried those Georgia tapings on her back along with Britt. The notion isn't a bad one, comparing it to the girls who have neded screen time period outside of one pocket they've put them in lately, does not hold water and it ain't gonna work. Exactly, it is a disingenuous comparison: apples and oranges.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 5, 2020 17:44:16 GMT -5
Nyla is an albatross in the division. Move on from her and let some of the newer people shine. It’s not like they don’t have the talent. Nyla's kind of a special talent is the thing. They really don't have any other hoss girls or girls with size outside of Kilyn King (Maybe Savannah Evans if they sign her). Nyla's been pushed pretty hard for that reason. Her issue is she needs to have a lower card feud for awhile, and they don't give her any, it's really just been world title feuds. Her mini feud with Shanna that culminated in a Tables Match on DARK was fantastic. They need to do MORE of that. That's just an issue with the booking as well lately, especially lower end feuds. They can clearly do it, Swole/Ford seemed to be right there and they even set it up on a Dynamite but now it's gona quiet. They need to set up and capitalize. Even if it's on DARK, have something happen. Same with Brandi/Anna Jay and Tay Conti's recruitment, you can plug Britt Baker into anything and make a fun storyline, you have the talent, the lack of using them on a consistent basis especially upand down the cards is what's upsetting fans. They aren't giving them enough time to grow. They have a lot of roster they want to focus on and I get it, but DARK has no time constraint, you need to at the very least start there if anything, we've seen some things but they need to continue it, and then when that Third Hour show happens, the women definitely need to be featured hard on it, Anna Jay vs Brandi on Late Night Dynamite was a good precursor to that.
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Post by Shark on Nov 5, 2020 23:24:21 GMT -5
What is honestly really strange about all of this is that I think it's easier now to get mainstream audiences into women's matches and storylines. AEW's not really fighting the same battle WWE was where years and years of their own booking made their audience not care about women's wrestling and WWE had to work to change that perception. AEW doesn't have that perception about them, but now they are starting to teeter some fans down that road with how they are booking it. WWE helping to change the narrative is something AEW can easily take advantage of and not have to climb uphill to change the audiences' minds. So their booking of the division is just so weird.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 23:54:21 GMT -5
I guess what’s one of my frustrations with Dark. If it had commercials it would be a 3 hour show some weeks. They have this unlimited time resource and don’t do anything with it but squash matches and maybe one or two promos.
Why not use that build to SOMETHING. Yeah the woman’s championship should be a focal point of the main show but if your only going to give it seven minutes on dynamite. Why not have some major angles on Dark, I mean major ones. Give Shida and Nyla some 20 segment between a couple matches, a pull apart brawl, really make it worth people’s wild to watch dark as well as progressing some storylines that might not get time on dynamite.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 6, 2020 0:08:09 GMT -5
I guess what’s one of my frustrations with Dark. If it had commercials it would be a 3 hour show some weeks. They have this unlimited time resource and don’t do anything with it but squash matches and maybe one or two promos. Why not use that build to SOMETHING. Yeah the woman’s championship should be a focal point of the main show but if your only going to give it seven minutes on dynamite. Why not have some major angles on Dark, I mean major ones. Give Shida and Nyla some 20 segment between a couple matches, a pull apart brawl, really make it worth people’s wild to watch dark as well as progressing some storylines that might not get time on dynamite. That's what I've been hoping for as well. It would benefit them so much. They could even show highlights of the major stuff on Dynamite.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 6, 2020 0:50:13 GMT -5
I guess what’s one of my frustrations with Dark. If it had commercials it would be a 3 hour show some weeks. They have this unlimited time resource and don’t do anything with it but squash matches and maybe one or two promos. Why not use that build to SOMETHING. Yeah the woman’s championship should be a focal point of the main show but if your only going to give it seven minutes on dynamite. Why not have some major angles on Dark, I mean major ones. Give Shida and Nyla some 20 segment between a couple matches, a pull apart brawl, really make it worth people’s wild to watch dark as well as progressing some storylines that might not get time on dynamite. That's what I've been hoping for as well. It would benefit them so much. They could even show highlights of the major stuff on Dynamite. They've been working towards this with DARK recaps being shown on Dynamite with certain talents, it's just a matter of more crossover. The more they promote DARK as a big deal, the more people will watch it or go out of their way to watch specific moments of it.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 6, 2020 0:52:12 GMT -5
That's what I've been hoping for as well. It would benefit them so much. They could even show highlights of the major stuff on Dynamite. They've been working towards this with DARK recaps being shown on Dynamite with certain talents, it's just a matter of more crossover. The more they promote DARK as a big deal, the more people will watch it or go out of their way to watch specific moments of it. Right, just mainly have been male storyline stuff that shows up usually. Just saying it could be used on stuff not Spears/Sky. (sorry, just the most meh feud I can think of that could be used to get more women over instead.)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 6, 2020 0:56:33 GMT -5
They've been working towards this with DARK recaps being shown on Dynamite with certain talents, it's just a matter of more crossover. The more they promote DARK as a big deal, the more people will watch it or go out of their way to watch specific moments of it. Right, just mainly have been male storyline stuff that shows up usually. Just saying it could be used on stuff not Spears/Sky. (sorry, just the most meh feud I can think of that could be used to get more women over instead.) I agree with you. They did this early on with DARK when Nyla had her tables match with Shanna and they promoted it on DARK. They need that more. If they advertised say Swole vs Ford in their "Coming up next week" announcements, it'd go a long way. They really should incorporate one or two DARK matches into those announcements more often, that's when the core fanbase is watching you.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 6, 2020 1:29:44 GMT -5
Wouldve agreed if only Shida Open Challenge wasnt completely lazy executed. It would be easier to admit they f***ed up Digging their heels in when this division isn't nowhere near reaching its potential and clearly the lowest on the totem pole continues to show how you feel about them No, you don't need a feud every week but they were litreally in a feud. Nyla said she wanted a title match two months ago and Shida finally answers now. Her open challenge has gone nowhere. Don't say statements people can pick obvious holes in
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Post by Shark on Nov 6, 2020 4:34:11 GMT -5
Wouldve agreed if only Shida Open Challenge wasnt completely lazy executed. It would be easier to admit they f***ed up Digging their heels in when this division isn't nowhere near reaching its potential and clearly the lowest on the totem pole continues to show how you feel about them No, you don't need a feud every week but they were litreally in a feud. Nyla said she wanted a title match two months ago and Shida finally answers now. Her open challenge has gone nowhere. Don't say statements people can pick obvious holes in It is odd that they seem to be digging their heels in over this when they are so ready to listen to criticism and adjust. AEW's women's division stumbled out of the gate honestly. Kylie Rae was positioned as the top face and she had her issues and left. The Brandi-Kong pairing flopped hard. They overpushed Britt as the next top face and it never clicked. Then the pandemic hit and took away a lot of their talent. Then 2 of their other potential stars in Statlander and Shanna get injured. They've constantly had to make adjustments, but it's never seemed to be the right adjustments.
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Post by dpg on Nov 6, 2020 8:15:48 GMT -5
It would be easier to admit they f***ed up Digging their heels in when this division isn't nowhere near reaching its potential and clearly the lowest on the totem pole continues to show how you feel about them No, you don't need a feud every week but they were litreally in a feud. Nyla said she wanted a title match two months ago and Shida finally answers now. Her open challenge has gone nowhere. Don't say statements people can pick obvious holes in It is odd that they seem to be digging their heels in over this when they are so ready to listen to criticism and adjust. AEW's women's division stumbled out of the gate honestly. Kylie Rae was positioned as the top face and she had her issues and left. The Brandi-Kong pairing flopped hard. They overpushed Britt as the next top face and it never clicked. Then the pandemic hit and took away a lot of their talent. Then 2 of their other potential stars in Statlander and Shanna get injured. They've constantly had to make adjustments, but it's never seemed to be the right adjustments. Brandi and Kong was never going to work. Brandi is poor in the ring and Kong can't wrestle anymore.
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Post by markymark on Nov 6, 2020 11:01:54 GMT -5
She says her dream is joining AEW, though hopefully JR doesnt crap on her by the time it happens.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Nov 6, 2020 11:07:01 GMT -5
She says her dream is joining AEW, though hopefully JR doesnt crap on her by the time it happens. On the one hand, f*** yes! On the other, JR would be abysmal
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