AEW Women's Division Discussion

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Jul 22, 2021 13:30:01 GMT -5 Hypnosis said:

Jul 22, 2021 12:10:13 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I get it... but QT and The Factory have literally gotten one combined minute of screen time the last two weeks. I get you could argue that could have gone towards building something for a girl but the question would be what? They need to start setting up storylines to progress things. We're seeing it on DARK but what I'm really hoping is we starts seeing it on Rampage too. THEN at the very least you could have girls cut Dynamite promos to lead into Rampage matches and vice versa. 

And I know people are apprehensive to the idea of Rampage changing anything but at this point if a whole extra hour of wrestling can't help the girls then AEW's gonna be under some serious pressure.

I think in order for a change to happen, it's going to take a catchy Twitter hashtag and most of the women speaking out to Tony Khan and TNT about their booking treatment, if 2015 was any indication regarding WWE.

Nah we're not about to compare AEW's Women's Division to WWE's Stopwatch Diva Era

It has its issues but the roster depth and overall working ability of the division is really good. The issue has been time management overall and they seem to be very aware of it.

[markymark]

Finally Rosa is All Elite.

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Jul 22, 2021 13:56:39 GMT -5 markymark said:

Finally Rosa is All Elite.

Man that NWA contract took forever to expire. But good. AEW has a Woman Main Eventer and really good coach as well on their side now in full force.

[kingoftheindies]

Time to keep Nyla away from the title for awhile... crowd was into the match but I also dont think she is nearly as over or as credible as a challenger as she has been presented recently

[Harry The Arrow was Wrong!]

Jul 22, 2021 12:10:13 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jul 22, 2021 11:30:35 GMT -5 Harry The Arrow was Wrong! said:

I'm really not sure how to feel at this point about the division because it's so disappointing but I feel it's pointless for me to keep complaining.

Like Hikaru Shida did her damndest as champion to put on excellent performances during the pandemic in front of no one despite never really being pushed. Her reward? Finally wrestling in front of people, losing the belt and gets taken off tv for 2 months and counting. She hasn't even had a 30 second promo on tv. Like we can somehow fit in QT and his jobbers every week but the women? Nope.

I get it... but QT and The Factory have literally gotten one combined minute of screen time the last two weeks. I get you could argue that could have gone towards building something for a girl but the question would be what? They need to start setting up storylines to progress things. We're seeing it on DARK but what I'm really hoping is we starts seeing it on Rampage too. THEN at the very least you could have girls cut Dynamite promos to lead into Rampage matches and vice versa. 

And I know people are apprehensive to the idea of Rampage changing anything but at this point if a whole extra hour of wrestling can't help the girls then AEW's gonna be under some serious pressure.

I mean that's 1 minute more than the majority of women. And that's probably setting some feud for him in the future. That's way more than someone like Shida gets. Like people can say, oh Shida is on Dark but would someone like Jon Moxley or Kenny Omega or any other top champion be relegated to just working youtube matches after a lengthy title reign?

I'm sorry but the fact Serena Deeb and Riho are not on TV but QT Marshall is is kinda ridiculous.

We'll see what happens come Rampage but I'm not exactly confident much will change

[markymark]

Rosas deal was supposed to be up by Jan 2022, seems that NWA finally gave Rosa her release that she was asking.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Jul 22, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Time to keep Nyla away from the title for awhile... crowd was into the match but I also dont think she is nearly as over or as credible as a challenger as she has been presented recently

I'm a huge fan of Nyla's but it really seems like her in-ring skills have decreased of late. Last few matches of hers have been kinda clumsy. Remember her doing some good work last year, hope she isn't hurt or anything.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

Jul 21, 2021 16:13:29 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

Jul 21, 2021 15:53:24 GMT -5 pippen94 said:

She came, went over Ford & now is leaving..

Yuka even part time is higher on the totem pole than Ford. Love her but Ford is mainly a JTTS, which isn't a bad spot for her but let's face it she mostly manages Kip in AEW. Yuka is going to be back for longer periods once restrictions loosen some more and they see a lot in her. Makes sense they'd put her over.

IDK if Penelope is the one sticking around then she should've went over. If you want to give Yuka a win then they should've had her beat someone not All Elite. I will say I am kind of torn on Penelope where even though I think she should've won, I don't think it's that ludicrous to have her lose to a part timer. Like on one hand I think she has things going for her that makes me think she could be a big star but on the other hand a lot it kind of comes of like she doesn't have "IT". Like for someone so physically attractive she has like no presence to her what so ever. I could be wrong and missed but has she ever spoken a word a television? I've literally never heard her talk once. I don't if she's really bad and uncomfortable talking that they have no confidence in her to do but it's really odd.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Jul 22, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Time to keep Nyla away from the title for awhile... crowd was into the match but I also dont think she is nearly as over or as credible as a challenger as she has been presented recently

My sense from crowd reactions is that Nyla Rose and Diamante have suffered big time from being heels with nothing of consequence to do and no victories worth talking about. They're heels, so they generally aren't doing anything cool or likable; but they're also not actually that despicable, so there's not a lot of reason to boo them. Sure, Nyla is standing next to Vickie the heat magnet, but that stops mattering once the match starts and Vickie isn't a factor. Neither of them ever does anything truly worth hating, so what's there to react to?

Britt Baker has turned around from heel to face, and I think that part of that was her heel work having actual substance to it. Her heeldom was/is rooted in being upper class, condescending, and self-absorbed...y'know, character traits. Nyla Rose pre-Vickie was actually quite lovable as this agent of pure chaos and rage, and I can't help but wonder if quashing the lovability has left her with nothing.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Jul 22, 2021 14:16:19 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:13:29 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

Yuka even part time is higher on the totem pole than Ford. Love her but Ford is mainly a JTTS, which isn't a bad spot for her but let's face it she mostly manages Kip in AEW. Yuka is going to be back for longer periods once restrictions loosen some more and they see a lot in her. Makes sense they'd put her over.

IDK if Penelope is the one sticking around then she should've went over. If you want to give Yuka a win then they should've had her beat someone not All Elite. I will say I am kind of torn on Penelope where even though I think she should've won, I don't think it's that ludicrous to have her lose to a part timer. Like on one hand I think she has things going for her that makes me think she could be a big star but on the other hand a lot it kind of comes of like she doesn't have "IT". Like for someone so physically attractive she has like no presence to her what so ever. I could be wrong and missed but has she ever spoken a word a television. I've literally never heard her talk once. I don't if she's really bad and uncomfortable talking that they have no confidence in her to do but it's really odd.

I think you're correct that she's not spoken a word. And her theoretical mouthpiece, Kip Sabian, never seems able to speak on her behalf without making her fade into the background more. Talking for someone is an art, and not everyone who's decent on the mic can do it.

[markymark]

Jul 22, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Time to keep Nyla away from the title for awhile... crowd was into the match but I also dont think she is nearly as over or as credible as a challenger as she has been presented recently

A face turn is probably the only thing that can fix her character, idk why I feel Vickie is cursed, everytime she manages someone the person gets unover or go away heat.

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Jul 22, 2021 14:20:13 GMT -5 markymark said:

Jul 22, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Time to keep Nyla away from the title for awhile... crowd was into the match but I also dont think she is nearly as over or as credible as a challenger as she has been presented recently

A face turn is probably the only thing that can fix her character, idk why I feel Vickie is cursed, everytime she manages someone the person gets unover or go away heat.

Because Vickie is annoying, both in real life and in the ring.

It causes the audience to lose interest in whomever she is with.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Jul 22, 2021 14:20:13 GMT -5 markymark said:

Jul 22, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Time to keep Nyla away from the title for awhile... crowd was into the match but I also dont think she is nearly as over or as credible as a challenger as she has been presented recently

A face turn is probably the only thing that can fix her character, idk why I feel Vickie is cursed, everytime she manages someone the person gets unover or go away heat.

I think Vickie worked in a WWE context where it was enough to get the crowd primed to boo by coming out first, but she doesn't fit so much in AEW where there's a big disconnect between her character (conniving heel with connections throughout wrestling) and her actions (silly sounding promos and mostly being irritating for the sake of being irritating).

[markymark]

Jul 22, 2021 14:15:09 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

Jul 22, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Time to keep Nyla away from the title for awhile... crowd was into the match but I also dont think she is nearly as over or as credible as a challenger as she has been presented recently

I'm a huge fan of Nyla's but it really seems like her in-ring skills have decreased of late. Last few matches of hers have been kinda clumsy. Remember her doing some good work last year, hope she isn't hurt or anything.

She seems unmotivated, last night felt like the ghost of Ivelisse took over her body because at some points she wasnt really selling for Britt.

Jul 22, 2021 14:16:19 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:13:29 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

Yuka even part time is higher on the totem pole than Ford. Love her but Ford is mainly a JTTS, which isn't a bad spot for her but let's face it she mostly manages Kip in AEW. Yuka is going to be back for longer periods once restrictions loosen some more and they see a lot in her. Makes sense they'd put her over.

IDK if Penelope is the one sticking around then she should've went over. If you want to give Yuka a win then they should've had her beat someone not All Elite. I will say I am kind of torn on Penelope where even though I think she should've won, I don't think it's that ludicrous to have her lose to a part timer. Like on one hand I think she has things going for her that makes me think she could be a big star but on the other hand a lot it kind of comes of like she doesn't have "IT". Like for someone so physically attractive she has like no presence to her what so ever. I could be wrong and missed but has she ever spoken a word a television? I've literally never heard her talk once. I don't if she's really bad and uncomfortable talking that they have no confidence in her to do but it's really odd.

This is a personal opinion but Penelope seems to be one of the people who are just happy with getting a paycheck and will do whatever creative will ask her to do.

Jul 22, 2021 14:17:12 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Jul 22, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Time to keep Nyla away from the title for awhile... crowd was into the match but I also dont think she is nearly as over or as credible as a challenger as she has been presented recently

My sense from crowd reactions is that Nyla Rose and Diamante have suffered big time from being heels with nothing of consequence to do and no victories worth talking about. They're heels, so they generally aren't doing anything cool or likable; but they're also not actually that despicable, so there's not a lot of reason to boo them. Sure, Nyla is standing next to Vickie the heat magnet, but that stops mattering once the match starts and Vickie isn't a factor. Neither of them ever does anything truly worth hating, so what's there to react to?

Britt Baker has turned around from heel to face, and I think that part of that was her heel work having actual substance to it. Her heeldom was/is rooted in being upper class, condescending, and self-absorbed...y'know, character traits. Nyla Rose pre-Vickie was actually quite lovable as this agent of pure chaos and rage, and I can't help but wonder if quashing the lovability has left her with nothing.

In Diamantes case besides Ivelisse screwing up it was case of being "all bark and no bite" type of character

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Jul 22, 2021 11:30:35 GMT -5 Harry The Arrow was Wrong! said:

Jul 22, 2021 10:16:50 GMT -5 markymark said:

The Men division is getting more and more stacked that it feels like the women division time will be reduced time except the title matches and Britt promo time, look at next weeks card, I only a see a women squash match fitting in there.

I will give Britt reign more time, the comparison of Britt vs Nyla being similar to Mox vs Hager is a good one.

I'm really not sure how to feel at this point about the division because it's so disappointing but I feel it's pointless for me to keep complaining.

Like Hikaru Shida did her damndest as champion to put on excellent performances during the pandemic in front of no one despite never really being pushed. Her reward? Finally wrestling in front of people, losing the belt and gets taken off tv for 2 months and counting. She hasn't even had a 30 second promo on tv. Like we can somehow fit in QT and his jobbers every week but the women? Nope.

That genuinely bothered me the most about Shida's reign. I knew where and how it was gonna end, but I felt like they did her so dirty.

The AEW Women's Division was firmly designed to be Britt's World and everyone else was just living in it. That was and still is my main problem with it. I know after the joshi experiment went bust due to the pandemic they were stuck with mostly unprepared talent, but putting all your eggs in one basket made everyone else feel small, especially the champ.

But what do I know? I just complain.

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The division really needs to start regularly being given more of a chunk of TV time. They have the numbers and the talent to have multiple segments of a show devoted to them, but we still had Britt and Nyla as the entirety of it this week and nothing announced for next week.

[markymark]

Jul 22, 2021 14:26:40 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Jul 22, 2021 14:20:13 GMT -5 markymark said:

A face turn is probably the only thing that can fix her character, idk why I feel Vickie is cursed, everytime she manages someone the person gets unover or go away heat.

I think Vickie worked in a WWE context where it was enough to get the crowd primed to boo by coming out first, but she doesn't fit so much in AEW where there's a big disconnect between her character (conniving heel with connections throughout wrestling) and her actions (silly sounding promos and mostly being irritating for the sake of being irritating).

Vickie shouldve been doing the same thing Taz is doing in the Male division, they teased the idea of having Jade, Madi joining the Vixens but nothing came out of it besides Nyla squashing Madi on Elevation in which I think was a mistake, the Vicious Vixens shouldve become The Stable of the women divison and that sounds more intriguing than just Nyla being managed by Vickie.

[kingoftheindies]

Just said in the Rosa thread but I expect the build to her vs Britt in the rematch to kick off after the Pittsburgh show.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Jul 22, 2021 14:33:16 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

The division really needs to start regularly being given more of a chunk of TV time. They have the numbers and the talent to have multiple segments of a show devoted to them, but we still had Britt and Nyla as the entirety of it this week and nothing announced for next week.

The nothing-on-the-horizon feeling is brutal and it might be the recurring issue that's most telling. Yuka's current run is going to wrap up without picking up that thread with Britt Baker, so there's an exciting potential match that isn't even being hinted at. The Best Friends/HFO thing that was keeping Bunny and Statlander occupied feels like it just ended for the third time - none of the matches felt like a strong set-up for the continuation, it just seemed like they blew it off three times in a row instead of building to a finale.

[Celgress]

As I posted in the poll thread -

The reason I could not give this (episode) a perfect ten is the Women's Division (once again) - Britt beat Nyla with ZERO challengers on the horizon. Couldn't they have had someone come out when Britt retained her title or else cut a promo earlier saying they are coming for the winner? I love AEW but the booking of their Women's division is subpar at best. It is their weakest point by far, IMHO.