AEW Women's Division Discussion

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Dec 6, 2020 18:22:33 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

It's not rhetoric when Brit really gets a bunch of the screen time not the "only one"

I said Britt gets good screen time but people in here suddenly saying Britt is the "only draw" because she's "the only one on TV" is kind of bullshit. Like the women did really well and Hirsch, Shida, and Rosa were also involved this week

It's just a tad annoying when you see positive stuff for the women and people here just ignore it to either shit on Baker for no particular reason and complain about other things instead of being happy about some progress finally. The girls have been on the uptick the last few weeks, that's what the thread has been asking for. They still got work to do but stuff like that is gonna make it seem like they are moving goalposts.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

A few good things don't mean the criticisms stop

Britt gets big TV time, that's just facts. She got majority of the promo time, that's just facts. It's not a moving goalpost. I said this pages ago, the complaints won't stop with one thing fixed. Getting women screentime is a major issue or many smaller ones that will follow up after

You don't have to like it but people aren't bugging because these complaints aren't new. People can enjoy Britt but she has been prominent (as she should be) but there is a bunch of problems with this division that has been labled out multiple times in this thread

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Dec 6, 2020 18:28:50 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

A few good things don't mean the criticisms stop

Britt gets big TV time, that's just facts. She got majority of the promo time, that's just facts. It's not a moving goalpost. I said this pages ago, the complaints won't stop with one thing fixed. Getting women screentime is a major issue or many smaller ones that will follow up after

You don't have to like it but people aren't bugging because these complaints aren't new. People can enjoy Britt but she has been prominent (as she should be) but there is a bunch of problems with this division that has been labled out multiple times in this thread

I'm not saying you still can't have criticism, but I'm saying you should pick your spots and what should be criticized more. A bunch of people criticizing Baker after the ratings were great and the girls got good numbers and have gotten good numbers with or without Baker over the last month or so seems a tad ridiculous to me. 

People can hate Baker and people can criticize, that wasn't even what I was annoyed at. I'm more annoyed that this was a great week for the women and it just feels like it's being ignored for semantics and that's not helping the women either. 

[Shark]

Dec 6, 2020 18:28:50 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

A few good things don't mean the criticisms stop

Britt gets big TV time, that's just facts. She got majority of the promo time, that's just facts. It's not a moving goalpost. I said this pages ago, the complaints won't stop with one thing fixed. Getting women screentime is a major issue or many smaller ones that will follow up after

You don't have to like it but people aren't bugging because these complaints aren't new. People can enjoy Britt but she has been prominent (as she should be) but there is a bunch of problems with this division that has been labled out multiple times in this thread

Something to keep an eye on for Wednesday is when the women's match is on. It was early this last week because of the Mox-Omega match. If they're back in that Q7 spot, then that's going to raise some concerns again.

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Dec 6, 2020 18:17:34 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Are we still pushing this rhetoric that Britt is the only one who gets screentime? And that the girls haven't been getting really nice ratings even in Quarter 7 the last like month or so? Britt hasn't been the only one drawing, what is that even?

Yeah Baker's one of the top draws and one of the top featured, but does this thread have to find literally any reason to be pessimistic about the division? They're finally featuring the girls more and giving them more promo time and exposure with multiple storylines going on per week now in some facet. Britt and Leyla Hirsch did a great number for them as did the Rosa beatdown post match. Yet we're still finding reasons to bitch?

I get we wanna see the girls do better, but we really need to stop forcing some reason to be angry about the girls. It's getting to the point where it feels like some people aren't ever gonna be satisfied and it's getting a tad eye-rolling.

As the person who started this thread and someone who doesn't even watch much AEW anymore maybe this thread should be locked if it's getting too negative. I just made a post about the women's division being below par. I wasn't expecting it to be a thing months later.

That said, I've been around this board and witnessed you and many of us complaining week after week about the same things for years. People are allowed to criticize things. Just because you're a big AEW fan doesn't mean you have to take any negative comments about the company personally and call it bitching and eye-roll worthy. I feel like we had this same conversation ages ago. It's like you think if you personally don't like something like a Roman Reigns or a Charlotte then it's okay to bash it over and over again but if you do like something then suddenly you're like hey, take it easy guys, why all the negativity?! People can like or dislike something as much as they want and shouldn't be judged for it if they're not breaking any rules.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Dec 6, 2020 18:28:50 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

A few good things don't mean the criticisms stop

Britt gets big TV time, that's just facts. She got majority of the promo time, that's just facts. It's not a moving goalpost. I said this pages ago, the complaints won't stop with one thing fixed. Getting women screentime is a major issue or many smaller ones that will follow up after

You don't have to like it but people aren't bugging because these complaints aren't new. People can enjoy Britt but she has been prominent (as she should be) but there is a bunch of problems with this division that has been labled out multiple times in this thread

Yeah, it's not hating on Britt to point out that she's been treated pretty much just right...and that she's the exception to the rule. It suggests that the machinery of AEW 100% could be doing more, but they aren't.

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Dec 6, 2020 19:19:17 GMT -5 justsomeguy said:

Dec 6, 2020 18:17:34 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Are we still pushing this rhetoric that Britt is the only one who gets screentime? And that the girls haven't been getting really nice ratings even in Quarter 7 the last like month or so? Britt hasn't been the only one drawing, what is that even?

Yeah Baker's one of the top draws and one of the top featured, but does this thread have to find literally any reason to be pessimistic about the division? They're finally featuring the girls more and giving them more promo time and exposure with multiple storylines going on per week now in some facet. Britt and Leyla Hirsch did a great number for them as did the Rosa beatdown post match. Yet we're still finding reasons to bitch?

I get we wanna see the girls do better, but we really need to stop forcing some reason to be angry about the girls. It's getting to the point where it feels like some people aren't ever gonna be satisfied and it's getting a tad eye-rolling.

As the person who started this thread and someone who doesn't even watch much AEW anymore maybe this thread should be locked if it's getting too negative. I just made a post about the women's division being below par. I wasn't expecting it to be a thing months later.

That said, I've been around this board and witnessed you and many of us complaining week after week about the same things for years. People are allowed to criticize things. Just because you're a big AEW fan doesn't mean you have to take any negative comments about the company personally and call it bitching and eye-roll worthy. I feel like we had this same conversation ages ago. It's like you think if you personally don't like something like a Roman Reigns or a Charlotte then it's okay to bash it over and over again but if you do like something then suddenly you're like hey, take it easy guys, why all the negativity?! People can like or dislike something as much as they want and shouldn't be judged for it if they're not breaking any rules.

I never said they couldn't, at least that wasn't my intention.  

I just felt like with the girls having great momentum and another great week of feedback, that the push for finding something to be wrong about felt like a reason to be negative for the sake of it. I know I've been negative on the proboards in the past, and I'm not going to act like I haven't been, but I don't actively try and derail positive talk for a wrestler or a scenario if I personally don't like them or it. It just felt odd taking the thing people have been wanting to see the girls do and succeed and turn it into several negative things to say about it. When I have openly stated the women's division can still improve and I'm not even disagreeing on that. It just felt ill-placed. If the match was a squash, brushed over, if Hirsch was an afterthought, if Shida was ignored as the champion, if that stuff happened, I feel like I'd agree more with the negative talk in the thread currently but... none of that happened and the girls got a great number... so it just felt out of place, that's all I was saying, it felt off.   

Idk maybe I just wasn't in the best headpspace when I saw this thread bumped with four pessimistic posts in a row after Baker, Hirsch, Rosa, and Shida all had good development for themselves this week, sorry if that makes me a bad guy I guess and I made my posts a bit too blunt? I wanna see the women's division do well and succeed, that's the whole point of the thread, just felt odd to see a dogpiling on a successful week in what has been an upswing for the girls I only want to see continue. But please don't think I'm coming in here and saying you can't criticize something, but it's a Board full of plenty of takes and opinions, criticism and takes can be just as disputed as anything else and those posters have a right to feel that way too. Everyone's valid as long as it doesn't get taken to harsh levels, and that wasn't my intention and I apologize if it was. I just felt like I needed to get it off my chest personally, and it's cool if people don't all agree.

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Some positivity for the girls, AEW DARK's most viewed matches this week have outstandingly been for the women

Leva vs Gracia- 34K views

Velvet vs Frost- 25k views

Shanna vs Price- 12K

King vs Perez- 11K

Snow vs Ivelisse- 11K

Best Friends match and the Triple Threat tag were the only mens matches that got high segmented views this week. Fans really like Leva, her first match going solo got like 86k Views.

[Dub H]

Im just gonna say while I am.not very active in this thread mu main compliant ever since the beggning of AEW is that Britt got waaaay too much focus compared to any other girl
So if more people complain about it I am.happy,maybe it will change.

I think th division has high points ans obviously a low points but that is my one constant issue

[polarbearpete]

Dec 6, 2020 19:19:17 GMT -5 justsomeguy said:

Dec 6, 2020 18:17:34 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Are we still pushing this rhetoric that Britt is the only one who gets screentime? And that the girls haven't been getting really nice ratings even in Quarter 7 the last like month or so? Britt hasn't been the only one drawing, what is that even?

Yeah Baker's one of the top draws and one of the top featured, but does this thread have to find literally any reason to be pessimistic about the division? They're finally featuring the girls more and giving them more promo time and exposure with multiple storylines going on per week now in some facet. Britt and Leyla Hirsch did a great number for them as did the Rosa beatdown post match. Yet we're still finding reasons to bitch?

I get we wanna see the girls do better, but we really need to stop forcing some reason to be angry about the girls. It's getting to the point where it feels like some people aren't ever gonna be satisfied and it's getting a tad eye-rolling.

That said, I've been around this board and witnessed you and many of us complaining week after week about the same things for years. People are allowed to criticize things. Just because you're a big AEW fan doesn't mean you have to take any negative comments about the company personally and call it bitching and eye-roll worthy. I feel like we had this same conversation ages ago. It's like you think if you personally don't like something like a Roman Reigns or a Charlotte then it's okay to bash it over and over again but if you do like something then suddenly you're like hey, take it easy guys, why all the negativity?! People can like or dislike something as much as they want and shouldn't be judged for it if they're not breaking any rules.

+1.

As to the women, I am glad that they are trying to feature multiple feuds in the division but they are still lacking a lot of match and promo time and they usually jam all the of the women’s division developments into one or two segments. How about opening the show with a women’s division match or promo? Or ending the show? Or having multiple women’s matches on Dynamite? Or having a match in one segment and then having an in-ring promo/segment involving others at a different point in the show (and not just a quick cutaway backstage interview for 1-2 minutes like they’ve been doing)? Let’s not act like it’s mission accomplished here. There’s much more to be done.

[Hypnosis]

Dec 7, 2020 8:30:28 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Dec 6, 2020 19:19:17 GMT -5 justsomeguy said:

That said, I've been around this board and witnessed you and many of us complaining week after week about the same things for years. People are allowed to criticize things. Just because you're a big AEW fan doesn't mean you have to take any negative comments about the company personally and call it bitching and eye-roll worthy. I feel like we had this same conversation ages ago. It's like you think if you personally don't like something like a Roman Reigns or a Charlotte then it's okay to bash it over and over again but if you do like something then suddenly you're like hey, take it easy guys, why all the negativity?! People can like or dislike something as much as they want and shouldn't be judged for it if they're not breaking any rules.

+1.

As to the women, I am glad that they are trying to feature multiple feuds in the division but they are still lacking a lot of match and promo time and they usually jam all the of the women’s division developments into one or two segments. How about opening the show with a women’s division match or promo? Or ending the show? Or having multiple women’s matches on Dynamite? Or having a match in one segment and then having an in-ring promo/segment involving others at a different point in the show (and not just a quick cutaway backstage interview for 1-2 minutes like they’ve been doing)? Let’s not act like it’s mission accomplished here. There’s much more to be done.

Britt Baker vs. Shida for the title could easily be a Dynamite main event.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Yea, this isn't a y'all never satisfied type of situation

This is a, what's next situation. Hey, congratulations on doing one step of 200 but you still have a lot of I's to dot and a ton of T's to cross

Can't pat yourself on the back too long for doing the minimum, you don't build momentum that way

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

Right now my one primary hangup is how the women aren’t getting the zanier and more exciting projects the fellas are, like Dinner Debonair and the Stadium match.

I won’t fault them for issues they’re genuinely trying to work around, like having to make adjustments for COVID and travel restrictions, or the talent being greener than NXT’s women on average. But there are clear differences in how the two divisions are currently being written, in terms of ambition.

[kidkamikaze10]

Dec 7, 2020 12:16:22 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

Right now my one primary hangup is how the women aren’t getting the zanier and more exciting projects the fellas are, like Dinner Debonair and the Stadium match.

I won’t fault them for issues they’re genuinely trying to work around, like having to make adjustments for COVID and travel restrictions, or the talent being greener than NXT’s women on average. But there are clear differences in how the two divisions are currently being written, in terms of ambition.

That is very true.

And it's not like they don't have the talent available to do that. Shida (if they'd allow her), Abaddon, Nyla, Britt w/Rebel, they have girls who can expand past match and interviews.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 7, 2020 12:16:22 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

Right now my one primary hangup is how the women aren’t getting the zanier and more exciting projects the fellas are, like Dinner Debonair and the Stadium match.

I won’t fault them for issues they’re genuinely trying to work around, like having to make adjustments for COVID and travel restrictions, or the talent being greener than NXT’s women on average. But there are clear differences in how the two divisions are currently being written, in terms of ambition.

Agreed

Where is the outlandish shit for the women. You can argue skill but you can't argue presentation. Cody created a month program with Brodie in which he wasn't there and got a brutal match as the conclusion 

I'm pretty sure you could have done some type of crazy matchup sans the Brie/Swole match which that even only went a few mins and was on the pre show 

[markymark]

Dec 6, 2020 19:06:00 GMT -5 Shark said:

Dec 6, 2020 18:28:50 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

A few good things don't mean the criticisms stop

Britt gets big TV time, that's just facts. She got majority of the promo time, that's just facts. It's not a moving goalpost. I said this pages ago, the complaints won't stop with one thing fixed. Getting women screentime is a major issue or many smaller ones that will follow up after

You don't have to like it but people aren't bugging because these complaints aren't new. People can enjoy Britt but she has been prominent (as she should be) but there is a bunch of problems with this division that has been labled out multiple times in this thread

Something to keep an eye on for Wednesday is when the women's match is on. It was early this last week because of the Mox-Omega match. If they're back in that Q7 spot, then that's going to raise some concerns again.

This wednesday its an Abadon squash match, so I wont be surprised if its in Q7.

[flowercity]

Dec 7, 2020 12:16:22 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

Right now my one primary hangup is how the women aren’t getting the zanier and more exciting projects the fellas are, like Dinner Debonair and the Stadium match.

I won’t fault them for issues they’re genuinely trying to work around, like having to make adjustments for COVID and travel restrictions, or the talent being greener than NXT’s women on average. But there are clear differences in how the two divisions are currently being written, in terms of ambition.

They did a match in a dentist office. Not zany enough for you?

Since this is the only thread people will participate in for women’s wrestling in AEW (ironic, innit?) can someone tell me exactly why they need to do better for the women’s division?

[kidkamikaze10]

Dec 7, 2020 12:54:41 GMT -5 flowercity said:

Dec 7, 2020 12:16:22 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

Right now my one primary hangup is how the women aren’t getting the zanier and more exciting projects the fellas are, like Dinner Debonair and the Stadium match.

I won’t fault them for issues they’re genuinely trying to work around, like having to make adjustments for COVID and travel restrictions, or the talent being greener than NXT’s women on average. But there are clear differences in how the two divisions are currently being written, in terms of ambition.

They did a match in a dentist office. Not zany enough for you?

Since this is the only thread people will participate in for women’s wrestling in AEW (ironic, innit?) can someone tell me exactly why they need to do better for the women’s division?

The Dentist match is a step in the right direction, along with other Britt material. It just needs to be more widespread like the men. It's not just Inner Circle doing innovative stuff for instance.

Personally, I think NXT shows why it would be in the best interest for AEW to do better with their women's division. It can help the overall product draw, it provides more opportunities for the women to grow as workers, and if the other divisions aren't doing as well, it is something to fall back on.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

If you're still asking why the women need to do better and trying to be snarky as this thread is 70 pages long, you're not paying attention

[BorneAgain]

The example with Baker is relevant because its not even so much a matter of her screentime as it is that the average viewer has a much better idea about her overall personality and gimmick than they do other female talents.

I'm glad so many matches with AEW women are featured on Dark, but some recurring backstage segments/more involved interviews with them on the show consistently could do wonders. All Elite Wrestling is great at doing continual week to week storytelling and that same process applied to the women is something that often feels missing with some small exceptions.