AEW Women's Division Discussion

[Toates Madhackrviper]

lol so on Reddit someone responded to someone saying they don't want to give money to Vince, and someone replied "so you just give money to the Khans instead", the first person rightly said that while the Khans are still billionaires and all, their is a pretty large gap in degree of evil going on and pointed out the Saudi deal as a key example. To add to his point, I mentioned that Tony Khan hasn't booked any of the women he employs to kiss him on television. Someone responded with "yep, instead he just doesn't book them".

This dude actually put sexual harassment on the same level as bad booking lmao.

[He's also since responded that he "didn't know kissing in movies and TV shows is sexual harassment", not being able to tell the difference between being forced to kiss your boss at risk of losing your job and agreeing to kiss a costar (who doesn't have power over you) that you likely knew was part of the job when you signed on.]

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Sassy Shida is the best Shida.

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[Dub H]

Dec 10, 2020 10:31:30 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Dec 10, 2020 9:51:48 GMT -5 Dub H said:

to compare the women division of nxt to aee is like conparing th3 aew tag division to nxt.

Just completely different issues. Even if they had all the ready woman for that amount of feuds,the nxt girls are the main draw of the show.They arent on dynamite.

But tag teams aren’t a group that has had problems with equality in the sports and entertainment world, I think that’s why it’s an issue here. Giving the women 5 minutes on the show and the men the rest is a bad look no matter how you slice it.

Right I know that part of the issue , but you still cant compare something that carries the whole show for one company.

[polarbearpete]

Dec 10, 2020 15:59:30 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Dec 10, 2020 10:31:30 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

But tag teams aren’t a group that has had problems with equality in the sports and entertainment world, I think that’s why it’s an issue here. Giving the women 5 minutes on the show and the men the rest is a bad look no matter how you slice it.

Right I know that part of the issue , but you still cant compare something that carries the whole show for one company.

They booked it to carry the show and to make it that important, it didn’t just happen by chance. You have to book it as important for it to be seen as important.

[Dub H]

Dec 10, 2020 16:33:38 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Dec 10, 2020 15:59:30 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Right I know that part of the issue , but you still cant compare something that carries the whole show for one company.

They booked it to carry the show and to make it that important, it didn’t just happen by chance. You have to book it as important for it to be seen as important.

Right , I never denied that, but I'm saying the division is far up ahead , and it has years and a much bigger quality of talent. AEW isnt gonna be able to book anything like that anytime soon ,they need to make it important while focusing on the big appeal of the show currently.

It would make no sense for AEW to try to book a woman heavy show like NXT.

[polarbearpete]

Dec 10, 2020 16:53:07 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Dec 10, 2020 16:33:38 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

They booked it to carry the show and to make it that important, it didn’t just happen by chance. You have to book it as important for it to be seen as important.

Right , I never denied that, but I'm saying the division is far up ahead , and it has years and a much bigger quality of talent. AEW isnt gonna be able to book anything like that anytime soon ,they need to make it important while focusing on the big appeal of the show currently.

It would make no sense for AEW to try to book a woman heavy show like NXT.

Definitely not a woman-heavy show like NXT currently is but they have more than enough talent to be booking main event type angles or at least show opening angles that don’t have to always be on in the Q7 cool-down segment. Thunder Rosa, Serena Deeb, Shida, Britt Baker. Why can’t they be in heavily featured/main event feuds like Shirai, Shotzi, Larae and Ripley?

[Dub H]

Dec 10, 2020 16:56:02 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Dec 10, 2020 16:53:07 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Right , I never denied that, but I'm saying the division is far up ahead , and it has years and a much bigger quality of talent. AEW isnt gonna be able to book anything like that anytime soon ,they need to make it important while focusing on the big appeal of the show currently.

It would make no sense for AEW to try to book a woman heavy show like NXT.

Definitely not a woman-heavy show like NXT currently is but they have more than enough talent to be booking main event type angles or at least show opening angles that don’t have to always be on in the Q7 cool-down segment. Thunder Rosa, Serena Deeb, Shida, Britt Baker. Why can’t they be in heavily featured/main event feuds like Shirai, Shotzi, Larae and Ripley?

Because there correct path is the in-between.

They havent developted the division enough to be a heavilyf eature main event. I agree they shouldnt be always the Q7 position slot and have at least two on going featured feuds, but to heavily feature then not just would take time away from the main draw of the company but also expose something that currently has no depth at the moment.

Like I'm not saying the division couldnt be better or is being booked very well, it is just two extreme comparisons , AEW shouldnt book their division like NXT and that it would be like NXT trying to build around their tag division.

[polarbearpete]

Dec 10, 2020 17:00:11 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Dec 10, 2020 16:56:02 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Definitely not a woman-heavy show like NXT currently is but they have more than enough talent to be booking main event type angles or at least show opening angles that don’t have to always be on in the Q7 cool-down segment. Thunder Rosa, Serena Deeb, Shida, Britt Baker. Why can’t they be in heavily featured/main event feuds like Shirai, Shotzi, Larae and Ripley?

Because there correct path is the in-between.

They havent developted the division enough to be a heavilyf eature main event. I agree they shouldnt be always the Q7 position slot and have at least two on going featured feuds, but to heavily feature then not just would take time away from the main draw of the company but also expose something that currently has no depth at the moment.

Like I'm not saying the division couldnt be better or is being booked very well, it is just two extreme comparisons , AEW shouldnt book their division like NXT and that it would be like NXT trying to build around their tag division.

I guess I just see a much bigger disparity in the talent of the NXT tag division vs. the talent in the AEW women’s division, especially when you include Thunder Rosa in there.

[The Ichi]

Dec 10, 2020 14:55:33 GMT -5 Toates Madhackrviper said:

lol so on Reddit someone responded to someone saying they don't want to give money to Vince, and someone replied "so you just give money to the Khans instead", the first person rightly said that while the Khans are still billionaires and all, their is a pretty large gap in degree of evil going on and pointed out the Saudi deal as a key example. To add to his point, I mentioned that Tony Khan hasn't booked any of the women he employs to kiss him on television. Someone responded with "yep, instead he just doesn't book them".

This dude actually put sexual harassment on the same level as bad booking lmao.

[He's also since responded that he "didn't know kissing in movies and TV shows is sexual harassment", not being able to tell the difference between being forced to kiss your boss at risk of losing your job and agreeing to kiss a costar (who doesn't have power over you) that you likely knew was part of the job when you signed on.]

Never, ever argue with a McMahon apologist. Their mental gymnast skills is not for the sane mind.

[holyshida]

Shida looked great last night. This is how I want to see her being booked. This storyline with Abadon really shows her character work, we all know she's a great wrestler that can put on phenomenal matches, but this really shows her versatility as an overall performer.

Abadon plays her character to perfection as well. Well done to both for getting folk invested in the feud.

[markymark]

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Dec 11, 2020 8:03:37 GMT -5 markymark said:

People were a bit harsh on Baker earlier in this thread, but if she's starting to do these types of numbers, then she's working. Yes it's a matter of building the rest of the division up so they can also get these numbers when they show up, but I'm glad there's a woman doing that right now period, AEW needs that, it's something to work with knowing if they put people with Baker, the numbers gonna be high.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Britt should absolutely be the next champion. Have her go over Rosa in their feud and then beat Shida after she overcomes Abadon, likely at Revolution. I get that other women should get the promo time she does but she's knocked everything out of the park and has serious star potential. She'd be a great champion who could get a ton of heat for babyfaces chasing her.

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Dec 11, 2020 15:04:52 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Britt should absolutely be the next champion. Have her go over Rosa in their feud and then beat Shida after she overcomes Abadon, likely at Revolution. I get that other women should get the promo time she does but she's knocked everything out of the park and has serious star potential. She'd be a great champion who could get a ton of heat for babyfaces chasing her.

She should be the next champion, meantime they need to develop some faces to challenge for her as well over the next few months. Shanna's a great canidate, as is Hirsch, but if she beats Shida and Rosa, she'll definitely need some fresh meat. I can see Baker if she were to win being the soft reset the girls need in the new year.  

[Hypnosis]

Dec 11, 2020 15:04:52 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Britt should absolutely be the next champion. Have her go over Rosa in their feud and then beat Shida after she overcomes Abadon, likely at Revolution. I get that other women should get the promo time she does but she's knocked everything out of the park and has serious star potential. She'd be a great champion who could get a ton of heat for babyfaces chasing her.

Could have Baker lose the title to Statlander after she's recovered from her injury next year.

[kingoftheindies]

I've said countless times and ill say it again. I think the biggest crime AEW made with the women's division (if you want to call it a crime) is not really understanding what you had in workers. I'm not gonna blame them for Kylie. But I think it is very clear they misjudged where Nyla, Britt, and Allie were as in ring performers. And of course that issue got magnified due to the unavailability of international talent.

Again that is not to excuse the execution as even as a huge AEW backer have to admit that the women's division was lacking. I do think he back to square one and rebuild the division is a better take than just doing things to do it though

[EP 54 is banned from Collision]

The problem with Baker as champ is that she's mediocre (at best) in the ring. With the roster/available guests there's a very limited number of face challengers who could carry her to a decent long PPV championship match.

She knocks the character stuff out of the park, but I can see a 20 minute Baker/Swole match being (insert baseball metaphor for something bad here).

[Shark]

Dec 12, 2020 9:26:45 GMT -5 EP 54 is banned from Collision said:

The problem with Baker as champ is that she's mediocre (at best) in the ring. With the roster/available guests there's a very limited number of face challengers who could carry her to a decent long PPV championship match.

She knocks the character stuff out of the park, but I can see a 20 minute Baker/Swole match being (insert baseball metaphor for something bad here).

I think Baker can at least be carried to a good match with the right opponent. Plus, it's easy to work around someone being limited in the ring. Britt being a heel who dodges challengers or cheats to win fits her perfectly. AEW's agents would need to work with what they have. Not EVERY match has to be a 20 minute sprint if you tell the story right. If you tell a great story and you can do it in 5 minutes, then you're doing a good job.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Dec 13, 2020 0:39:29 GMT -5 Shark said:

Dec 12, 2020 9:26:45 GMT -5 EP 54 is banned from Collision said:

The problem with Baker as champ is that she's mediocre (at best) in the ring. With the roster/available guests there's a very limited number of face challengers who could carry her to a decent long PPV championship match.

She knocks the character stuff out of the park, but I can see a 20 minute Baker/Swole match being (insert baseball metaphor for something bad here).

I think Baker can at least be carried to a good match with the right opponent. Plus, it's easy to work around someone being limited in the ring. Britt being a heel who dodges challengers or cheats to win fits her perfectly. AEW's agents would need to work with what they have. Not EVERY match has to be a 20 minute sprint if you tell the story right. If you tell a great story and you can do it in 5 minutes, then you're doing a good job.

I don't think she's as bad of an in-ring wrestler as some. She's shown a lot more I think since that match with Shida where she broke her nose. Not amazing by any stretch but not she wouldn't be the worst women's champ imo. I'd say she's about Alexa's skill level, more or less and her character stuff makes up for the rest.

[Shark]

Dec 13, 2020 0:43:43 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

Dec 13, 2020 0:39:29 GMT -5 Shark said:

I think Baker can at least be carried to a good match with the right opponent. Plus, it's easy to work around someone being limited in the ring. Britt being a heel who dodges challengers or cheats to win fits her perfectly. AEW's agents would need to work with what they have. Not EVERY match has to be a 20 minute sprint if you tell the story right. If you tell a great story and you can do it in 5 minutes, then you're doing a good job.

I don't think she's as bad of an in-ring wrestler as some. She's shown a lot more I think since that match with Shida where she broke her nose. Not amazing by any stretch but not she wouldn't be the worst women's champ imo. I'd say she's about Alexa's skill level, more or less and her character stuff makes up for the rest.

She's a lot better than what she was. Turning heel really helped. She was one of the first real major missteps of the division last year when they tried pushing her as a top face when she was clearly not ready for that as either an in ring worker or as a character.