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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 5, 2020 13:35:34 GMT -5
I have never really thought of whether Hartman deserved it or had it coming. I tend to think not given that he was trying to mold Pyle into something, but Hartman had no way to turn off his psycho act.
The whole point of the film is dehumanization. We actually watched it in Intro to Comm class in college, at least the first part of it. Joker is really the main connecting tissue of the first and second halves and while he was never totally dehumanized in basic training it was the final act of the film (shooting the female sniper) that completed his dehumanization. Joker's last line of the film was "I am still in a world of s**t, but I am no longer afraid."
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Aug 5, 2020 13:53:27 GMT -5
Be careful so you do not create the monster that kills you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 19:19:50 GMT -5
After just a few weeks of training they should have realised that Pyle was mentally challenged and sent him home. And miss feeding the meat grinder of Vietnam? Hell no. Marines don’t fail anyway - he turned to peer pressure since he couldn’t succeed and that’s when shit went downhill. R. Lee is also in Dead Man Walking as a murder victim’s father. Very good for something different. Hes also in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning as probably the only redeeming qualities of each.
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 5, 2020 19:24:58 GMT -5
And miss feeding the meat grinder of Vietnam? Hell no. Marines don’t fail anyway - he turned to peer pressure since he couldn’t succeed and that’s when shit went downhill. R. Lee is also in Dead Man Walking as a murder victim’s father. Very good for something different. Hes also in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning as probably the only redeeming qualities of each. In addition he also played Coach Norton in the wacky comedy Saving Silverman, where he married Jack Black's character J.D. in the ending. I don't know whether to be proud or ashamed that I could recite that from memory.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 5, 2020 19:30:16 GMT -5
Hes also in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning as probably the only redeeming qualities of each. He was also originally cast as John Doe in Se7en, before getting bumped for Kevin Spacey and settling for the police chief role. David Fincher described his take on Doe as being "incredibly chilling in its inhumanity", which Is something I'd have liked to have seen.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 5, 2020 19:57:03 GMT -5
Hes also in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning as probably the only redeeming qualities of each. In addition he also played Coach Norton in the wacky comedy Saving Silverman, where he married Jack Black's character J.D. in the ending. I don't know whether to be proud or ashamed that I could recite that from memory. I love that movie. R Lee is the best part. “What? They’re making you wear dresses?!?” “Ya ate her??” “Smart boys that’s the perfect crime!”
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Aug 5, 2020 20:18:50 GMT -5
Hes also in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning as probably the only redeeming qualities of each. He was also originally cast as John Doe in Se7en, before getting bumped for Kevin Spacey and settling for the police chief role. David Fincher described his take on Doe as being "incredibly chilling in its inhumanity", which Is something I'd have liked to have seen. I always knew he tried out for that role but never any specifics. To get that kind of reaction out of David Fincher, damn.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 5, 2020 20:30:00 GMT -5
I always knew he tried out for that role but never any specifics. To get that kind of reaction out of David Fincher, damn. Fincher briefly talks about it on the DVD commentary track, somewhat critically. Ermey was cast because the production didn't have the money to pay what Spacey was asking for; while Ermey's take was "incredible", it was also very "cut and dried", making Spacey's take on the character "warm and cuddly" in comparison, leading to Pitt and Fincher pestering the studio for more money to get Spacey, who they felt would play against Pitt and Freeman better. Fincher was more glowing in his assessment of Ermey's take after he passed.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 5, 2020 20:51:54 GMT -5
He should have known better to try and defuse someone having an obvious mental breakdown, and armed, at that,. In that respect, he wasn't a good drill instructor.
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 5, 2020 21:00:27 GMT -5
Hartman’s job was to break recruits down and rebuild them as killing machines. He succeeded-beyond his own expectations.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Aug 5, 2020 21:51:48 GMT -5
I have two uncles who went thru Basic in the era Full Metal Jacket is set. One was a Marine the other was Army.
The Marine has told me the first half of the film is exactly how it was when he went thru Parris Island. The army one,who was drafted a few years later than the other uncle,has told me they were rough on ya but nothing like the film showed.
My trip thru Army BCT,was early 90s,was nothing like the film. Our rifles were kept locked up in the vault outside the Captain's office. One day when we got rained out during a shooting range day we got shown FMJ,with DI Childress Fast forwarding thru the entire scene with Pyle going nuts.
We had a guy in the platoon that looked like Pyle,but his only flaw was he hated to shower. It was August and South Carolina. I wanted to take 5 showers a day and this nasty smelly dude went 2 weeks before he got a GI SHOWER and learned that no one wants to be the stinky grunt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:12:12 GMT -5
I have two uncles who went thru Basic in the era Full Metal Jacket is set. One was a Marine the other was Army. The Marine has told me the first half of the film is exactly how it was when he went thru Parris Island. The army one,who was drafted a few years later than the other uncle,has told me they were rough on ya but nothing like the film showed. My trip thru Army BCT,was early 90s,was nothing like the film. Our rifles were kept locked up in the vault outside the Captain's office. One day when we got rained out during a shooting range day we got shown FMJ,with DI Childress Fast forwarding thru the entire scene with Pyle going nuts. We had a guy in the platoon that looked like Pyle,but his only flaw was he hated to shower. It was August and South Carolina. I wanted to take 5 showers a day and this nasty smelly dude went 2 weeks before he got a GI SHOWER and learned that no one wants to be the stinky grunt. Same time of year that I went through BCT at Relaxin' Jackson and believe me i hear ya on the 5 times a day showering.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 6, 2020 11:16:55 GMT -5
Had anyone had a basic training experience similar to one depicted in “Stripes”? haha
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 6, 2020 11:29:26 GMT -5
I don't think people sometimes get that FMJ is really a seriously dark comedy in a lot of ways. Stuff like the lieutenant being mad at them for firing back at the sniper, then finally getting fed up and shooting as well. That was hilarious. Or lines like "I want to meet interesting and stimulating people from an ancient culture....and kill them." It's just a shame the 2nd half just doesn't measure up to the all time awesome first half.
My professor that showed the film in college was a Vietnam vet, at least I think he was. He was in the Army though and not the Marines and mentioned his own basic training was fairly mild compared to the craziness of FMJ.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:46:10 GMT -5
Had anyone had a basic training experience similar to one depicted in “Stripes”? haha I went to basic in 2008 and 90% of it after red phase was freakin power point presentations
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 6, 2020 11:55:57 GMT -5
He deserved it no more than the average drill instructor in the army.
However he clearly was not trained to pick up on the warning signs Pyle displayed up to and including the final incident.
Based on the people I have known from the military, they could still do with much better training around that.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Aug 7, 2020 16:09:03 GMT -5
I would say yes but only because he was a f***ing idiot for insulting a mentally unstable man armed with a gun that was pointed straight at him.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 7, 2020 16:29:19 GMT -5
Would Hartman have been more careful with Pyle if he found out about the beating?
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Post by adamclark52 on Aug 7, 2020 17:39:39 GMT -5
R. Lee Emery was only three years older than me when he made that movie
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 7, 2020 17:54:26 GMT -5
Would Hartman have been more careful with Pyle if he found out about the beating? Are you asking if he ordered the Code Red? Wait, what thread am I in?
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