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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 21, 2023 19:39:30 GMT -5
Of all DC Characters, why did Dwayne pick Black Adam? Did he just decided on who looked the coolest? Surely he realized that he's never been a big name in DC. To hear Dwayne tell it today, he was a fan of Black Adam when he was growing up. In reality, he was initially signed on to play Captain Marvel/Billy way back in 2006 but he latched onto a fan campaign that wanted him to play the film's villain, Black Adam. Over the 15 years of development hell it gradually morphed into a movie in its own right. Black Adam didn't really become that prominent until the early 2000's. Geoff Johns' JSA was where he was re-imagined into an anti-hero with a sympathetic backstory. Before that he was just an obscure Shazam/Captain Marvel villain. Were there any particularly notable Black Adam stories happening in the 70's and 80's when Rock was growing up that he could've genuinely latched onto? According to the DC fandom Wiki his appearances during that time frame were pretty sparse.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Mar 21, 2023 19:50:26 GMT -5
I always felt like having Snyder as the main person behind shaping the DCU would be like Marvel handing the keys of the Avengers franchise to the people behind the Netflix Marvel shows.
Sure, the Netflix Marvel shows were all mostly really good, but they were all so different tonally from the Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, etc. movies that trying to smash those ideologies together would get you a mess, which is exactly what I think happened with the DCU. That's as fair as I can be to Snyder, at least lol
Snyder always reminded me of the early to mid 2000s approach to comics and pop culture properties from guys like Michael Bay, Bryan Singer and McG. 'Okay, I see what works about the property I'm hired to work on, but that's old fashioned and stupid, here's -my- vision instead! Storytelling? Pfff, look at the visuals!' I think the 2000s demonstrate a broader visual style of comic book movie than anything in the 2010s and now the 2020s. And today's comic book movies are worse off for that exact lack of differentiation. Look at the variety of movies and visual styles that came out in 2005 alone: Batman Begins vs. Constantine vs. Sin City vs. Fantastic Four vs. V for Vendetta vs. A History of Violence vs. Man-Thing. What's sad is that "comic book movie" became synonymous with "superhero comic book movie," and "superhero comic book movie became synonymous with "MCU comic book movie." And then everybody in Hollywood decided to chase that trend.
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Post by KingPooper on Mar 21, 2023 19:55:13 GMT -5
There’s literally a Superman & Shazam vs. Black Adam animated film. Was it really that hard to build up to something like that, and please everyone?
For what’s worth Shazam 2 is much better than Black Adam.
Not to sound like an MCU fan boy but DC felt like it was always playing catch up, or putting three movies of plot into one movie,and they could never let go of trying to relive the Dark Knight, which really made these films tonially all over the place. When they let the films stand on their own or actually let them be fun was when these movies were at their best.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 21, 2023 20:01:20 GMT -5
There’s literally a Superman & Shazam vs. Black Adam animated film. Was it really that hard to build up to something like that, and please everyone? For what’s worth Shazam 2 is much better than Black Adam. Not to sound like an MCU fan boy but DC felt like it was always playing catch up, or putting three movies of plot into one movie,and they could never let go of trying to relive the Dark Knight, which really made these films tonially all over the place. When they let the films stand on their own or actually let them be fun was when these movies were at their best. They have been doing that "let's get multiple movies worth of plot into one movie" forever... it's the biggest issue with the Green Lantern film which is basically a trilogy shoved into a solo film.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 20:06:50 GMT -5
To hear Dwayne tell it today, he was a fan of Black Adam when he was growing up. In reality, he was initially signed on to play Captain Marvel/Billy way back in 2006 but he latched onto a fan campaign that wanted him to play the film's villain, Black Adam. Over the 15 years of development hell it gradually morphed into a movie in its own right. Black Adam didn't really become that prominent until the early 2000's. Geoff Johns' JSA was where he was re-imagined into an anti-hero with a sympathetic backstory. Before that he was just an obscure Shazam/Captain Marvel villain. Were there any particularly notable Black Adam stories happening in the 70's and 80's when Rock was growing up that he could've genuinely latched onto? According to the DC fandom Wiki his appearances during that time frame where pretty sparse. There really weren't, and the The rock is full of shit to say he was a huge fan. Gotta call it how I see it.
Black Adam appeared in exactly one issue of Shazam! in the 70's, and he wasn't exactly the cool badass antihero that Geoff Johns made him. Very cut and dry villain.
So, yeah, while The Rock was some genuinely inspired casting to BE Black Adam, Dwayne can cut that shit out about being a big fan in the 70's, because nobody was reading Shazam! in the 70's lol
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 21, 2023 20:13:09 GMT -5
Black Adam didn't really become that prominent until the early 2000's. Geoff Johns' JSA was where he was re-imagined into an anti-hero with a sympathetic backstory. Before that he was just an obscure Shazam/Captain Marvel villain. Were there any particularly notable Black Adam stories happening in the 70's and 80's when Rock was growing up that he could've genuinely latched onto? According to the DC fandom Wiki his appearances during that time frame where pretty sparse. I'm not really a comics guy, so you probably know as much as me. Still, in any case it's clear Dwayne was bullshitting his comic book bonafides when he said he grew up loving the character. The original article is offline and the Wayback Machine is down at the moment so I can't repost the exact quote, but when speaking about it in 2007 it was very clear that Dwayne was completely unfamiliar with the character until it was brought to his attention after signing on as Captain Marvel that people had been fancasting him as Black Adam.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 21, 2023 20:17:51 GMT -5
Black Adam didn't really become that prominent until the early 2000's. Geoff Johns' JSA was where he was re-imagined into an anti-hero with a sympathetic backstory. Before that he was just an obscure Shazam/Captain Marvel villain. Were there any particularly notable Black Adam stories happening in the 70's and 80's when Rock was growing up that he could've genuinely latched onto? According to the DC fandom Wiki his appearances during that time frame where pretty sparse. I'm not really a comics guy, so you probably know as much as me. Still, in any case it's clear Dwayne was bullshitting his comic book bonafides when he said he grew up loving the character. The original article is offline and the Wayback Machine is down at the moment so I can't repost the exact quote, but when speaking about it in 2007 it was very clear that Dwayne was completely unfamiliar with the character until it was brought to his attention after signing on as Captain Marvel that people had been fancasting him as Black Adam. and it was mostly based on a few artist that clearly used Rock as a base for their interpretation of him
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 21, 2023 20:46:02 GMT -5
and it was mostly based on a few artist that clearly used Rock as a base for their interpretation of him
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 21, 2023 21:28:58 GMT -5
It's another consequence of the fact WB only looked at what Marvel achieved and not at how they got there. They didn't build the world for Black Adam to inhabit, they set up no rivalries, they announced they had the Rock to play the role then filled in everything afterwards. Kinda reminds me of David Ayer "blaming" Deadpool for the mess that became the theatrical cut of Suicide Squad, which brings up the biggest problem with DC films for so long that someone should know better by now: they are more concerned with that something is successful than they are why it is successful. They didn't see "The Dark Knight Trilogy is faithful to its source material", they saw "DKT is grim and gritty, so everyone has to be grim and gritty now". They didn't see "Deadpool is faithful to its source material", they saw "Deadpool is irreverent and uses pop musing sparingly, so we're going to be irreverent and use pop music WAY TOO MUCH". They didn't see "Marvel has built a cinematic universe built on characters and themes that have crossover appeal), they saw "Marvel has a ton of connected movies so we're going to make a ton of connected movies, no matter how haphazardly we've connected them". Hopefully James Gunn can bring some much needed common sense to the franchise.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 21, 2023 23:29:06 GMT -5
It's another consequence of the fact WB only looked at what Marvel achieved and not at how they got there. They didn't build the world for Black Adam to inhabit, they set up no rivalries, they announced they had the Rock to play the role then filled in everything afterwards. Kinda reminds me of David Ayer "blaming" Deadpool for the mess that became the theatrical cut of Suicide Squad, which brings up the biggest problem with DC films for so long that someone should know better by now: they are more concerned with that something is successful than they are why it is successful. If anything... Guardians of the Galaxy is more to blame for Suicide Squad ending like it did ... because they f***ing advertised it almost identically to how Guardians of the Galaxy was...
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 22, 2023 0:21:03 GMT -5
If anything... Guardians of the Galaxy is more to blame for Suicide Squad ending like it did ... because they f***ing advertised it almost identically to how Guardians of the Galaxy was... Yeah, Ayer going off on how Deadpool changed everything just seems odd. Consider the SDCC trailer: Then came the "first" trailer, released a month before Deadpool: At this point WB panicked about the positive online reaction to the trailer compared to the "sombre" movie that Ayer had made, and hired the company that cut the trailer together to help them make their own cut. That was followed by the "final" trailer, released six weeks after Deadpool: Following this trailer they ordered reshoots because their cut tested poorly and they couldn't seamlessly graft it to Ayer's cut. What was eventually released just screams Guardians of the Galaxy to me, from the editing, through the dialogue, to the tone, and even the use of the soundtrack. And who did DC offer the sequel to? Now, I'd say Deadpool's influence is all over Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad: the cartoonishly over-the-top graphic violence, the quirky use of foul language, and the fact that Margot Robbie is aping Ryan Reynolds pretty hard. There's even a few shots in Birds of Prey that were basically lifted right from Deadpool.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 22, 2023 0:44:16 GMT -5
I think my favorite part of Suicide Squad is that bit where Will Smith puts his mask on for like the only time in the movie entirely to facilitate sliding in reshoots.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 22, 2023 2:28:55 GMT -5
Also can't imagine seeing what we did of Leto's Joker and wanting any more of it...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 22, 2023 2:30:50 GMT -5
If anything... Guardians of the Galaxy is more to blame for Suicide Squad ending like it did ... because they f***ing advertised it almost identically to how Guardians of the Galaxy was... Yeah, Ayer going off on how Deadpool changed everything just seems odd. Consider the SDCC trailer: Then came the "first" trailer, released a month before Deadpool: At this point WB panicked about the positive online reaction to the trailer compared to the "sombre" movie that Ayer had made, and hired the company that cut the trailer together to help them make their own cut. That was followed by the "final" trailer, released six weeks after Deadpool: Following this trailer they ordered reshoots because their cut tested poorly and they couldn't seamlessly graft it to Ayer's cut. What was eventually released just screams Guardians of the Galaxy to me, from the editing, through the dialogue, to the tone, and even the use of the soundtrack. And who did DC offer the sequel to? Now, I'd say Deadpool's influence is all over Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad: the cartoonishly over-the-top graphic violence, the quirky use of foul language, and the fact that Margot Robbie is aping Ryan Reynolds pretty hard. There's even a few shots in Birds of Prey that were basically lifted right from Deadpool. But like... Harley in the comics at this point has more or less morphed into DC's Deadpool so it's a little more understandable... that said the Suicide Squad and it's over the top violence... just generally tracks as like... most of James Gunn's movies... cause that's kinda what he does when he's given an R to play with >_> But yes, Suicide Squad is a franken movie made up of Ayer's movie and like... Dc's ending were the main things I remember... but yeah it's reshoots and everything had nothing to do with Deadpool and everything to do with the Guardians style trailer they released that was not indicative of the movie at all... which almost everyone praised... but the issue of course is if that's the case... why make a trailer like that? It's like if the this trailer for the Shining was an actual Trailer for the film.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 22, 2023 2:52:27 GMT -5
But like... Harley in the comics at this point has more or less morphed into DC's Deadpool so it's a little more understandable... that said the Suicide Squad and it's over the top violence... just generally tracks as like... most of James Gunn's movies... cause that's kinda what he does when he's given an R to play with >_> But yes, Suicide Squad is a franken movie made up of Ayer's movie and like... Dc's ending were the main things I remember... but yeah it's reshoots and everything had nothing to do with Deadpool and everything to do with the Guardians style trailer they released that was not indicative of the movie at all... which almost everyone praised... but the issue of course is if that's the case... why make a trailer like that? It's like if the "Happy" trailer for the Shining was an actual Trailer for the film. The Gunn stuff I'll grant you, but Birds of Prey wears its Deadpool inspirations on its sleeve. As for the trailers, it's also easy to forget that the SDCC trailer was also very highly praised. People hated the look Leto's Joker but everything else was met with a lot of enthusiasm. This was also before BVS bombed with critics and the general audience, so it's not like "it's too dark and gritty" was a concern at that point either. Honestly, as shitty as it is for WB to have basically taken the movie away from Ayer, I cannot convince myself they didn't make the right decision. Everything we've seen and heard of Ayer's cut has been terrible, and by his own admission it's a much longer, much grimmer movie. Coming hot on the heels of the boring dirge that was BVS, would anybody have been crying out for that? As terrible as it was, Suicide Squad was a financial success for a studio which hasn't had much luck on that front.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 22, 2023 4:51:50 GMT -5
Hey now, Harley isn't DC's Deadpool.
She's DC's Tank Girl.
(Honestly, I don't actually mind that much in any case. Harley had a serious problem for years of being an accessory character, to Joker or Poison Ivy, so even if it's not the most original take, some of the changes with her have probably been smart choices.)
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 22, 2023 6:52:59 GMT -5
Shazam 🤝 Roman Reigns Dwayne Johnson is ducking him
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 22, 2023 8:16:30 GMT -5
Rock acting like he was reading non-existent Black Adam comics as a kid is so funny.
Sir, you were playing college football at Miami in the mid 80s, you weren't reading any comics.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 22, 2023 10:16:46 GMT -5
Villain for the 2nd movie should have been Captain Nazi. Neo fascists bring him back specifically to combat the multi ethnic Shazams.
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Post by Renslayer on Mar 24, 2023 8:48:02 GMT -5
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