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Post by Mecca on Sept 23, 2021 21:49:13 GMT -5
Taker hit Kanyon with the wrong side of the chair also..I'm sure a guy with all his years and in a segment that wasn't bam bam, just did that on accident uh huh.
But don't worry already people out defending Taker "thar beating was a work, it's safe".
Some people will never accept the man is a pile of shit, I had someone defend wrestlers court to me that it was a good thing...
But yep Taker beat the snot out of a gay man and also donated money to one of the most anti-LGBTQ candidates in the country but he's a good guy that did nothing wrong.... right.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 23, 2021 21:51:04 GMT -5
I haven't watched it yet... am I to assume Matt Jackson left out the story where Kanyon admitted that he was not only gay to him but was apparently attracted to Jackson in the beginning before Matt turned him down?
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Post by Mecca on Sept 23, 2021 21:52:24 GMT -5
I haven't watched it yet... am I to assume Matt Jackson left out the story where Kanyon admitted that he was not only gay to him but was apparently attracted to Jackson in the beginning before Matt turned him down? They left that in...it led to some people saying Kanyon tried to groom him because he met him when he was underage.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 23, 2021 21:55:52 GMT -5
I haven't watched it yet... am I to assume Matt Jackson left out the story where Kanyon admitted that he was not only gay to him but was apparently attracted to Jackson in the beginning before Matt turned him down? They left that in...it led to some people saying Kanyon tried to groom him because he met him when he was underage. Matt did say Kanyon dropped it immediately though so I don't think it was grooming as much as Kanyon just inquiring if Matt would care. Kanyon also said he just simply grew to like them as friends It seemed like Kanyon's suicidal thoughts pushed them away more than anything because they were simply too young to know how to process it.
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 23, 2021 21:56:21 GMT -5
It muddles things further that Taker was stiff with other people as well. And there were some BRUTAL chair beatings during that time that did not involve him as well.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 23, 2021 22:00:02 GMT -5
It muddles things further that Taker was stiff with other people as well. And there were some BRUTAL chair beatings during that time that did not involve him as well. Let's be real...he comes out of a box..dressed like boy George singing culture club...then he gets beaten down with the wrong side of the chair by the locker room leader. If anyone thinks that wasn't sending a message I don't know what is.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 23, 2021 22:03:09 GMT -5
It muddles things further that Taker was stiff with other people as well. And there were some BRUTAL chair beatings during that time that did not involve him as well. Let's be real...he comes out of a box..dressed like boy George singing culture club...then he gets beaten down with the wrong side of the chair by the locker room leader. If anyone thinks that wasn't sending a message I don't know what is. And what he was allegedly told beforehand..? I 100% believe that.
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Post by 5count5count on Sept 23, 2021 22:24:11 GMT -5
The only thing I got from the Chris Kanyon episode is that he really struggled with being bipolar. Weather he was gay or not wouldn't have changed the outcome of his life.
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Post by 5count5count on Sept 23, 2021 22:32:47 GMT -5
It muddles things further that Taker was stiff with other people as well. And there were some BRUTAL chair beatings during that time that did not involve him as well. Let's be real...he comes out of a box..dressed like boy George singing culture club...then he gets beaten down with the wrong side of the chair by the locker room leader. If anyone thinks that wasn't sending a message I don't know what is. But what was the message? Kanyon wasn't the first openly gay wrestler that was Pat Patterson who was the first IC champ and a long time employee of Vince's. WWE always had gay characters like Adrian Adonis Goldust and Billy and Chuck. Why would they make an example out of Chris Canyon especially that he didn't come out until years later. I they treated like like they did a lot of former WCW guys when they came over after WCW was bought by Vince. I don't see Taker as a guy who would take liberties on another wrestler.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Sept 23, 2021 22:33:59 GMT -5
The only thing I got from the Chris Kanyon episode is that he really struggled with being bipolar. Weather he was gay or not wouldn't have changed the outcome of his life. I have mental health issues myself and I can't even comprehend enduring such a toxic environment and having it end any other way than it did for Chris Kanyon. F***ing sad.
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Post by 5count5count on Sept 23, 2021 22:34:12 GMT -5
If it's any consolation, Cena's probably been one of the better straight allies for LGBTQ+ wrestlers in WWE in the last decade or so. Like when Darren Young came out, he was really encouraging and supportive of him. Hell, his own brother is gay. Not that it excuses the comments he made about Kanyon, but at least he's grown since. That's why I don't see what Cena said about Kanyon was throwing him under the bus. All he really said that Kanyon didn't come out until after his WWE departure.
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Post by cosmo on Sept 23, 2021 22:35:53 GMT -5
I see Cena getting off super-light here, if anybody says anything at all. The conversation didn't come off, in my eyes, as anything other than him saying Kanyon wasn't gonna cut it in WWE. If he'd gone on Stern's show and called Kanyon the gay F-word and a bunch of other vile shit like that, Cena would deserve every bit of ire that would come to him. At worst, Cena was just towing the company line like he always does, especially since it was 2006 when Super-Cena was really rolling and he wouldn't dare risk f***ing that up.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 23, 2021 22:39:51 GMT -5
If it's any consolation, Cena's probably been one of the better straight allies for LGBTQ+ wrestlers in WWE in the last decade or so. Like when Darren Young came out, he was really encouraging and supportive of him. Hell, his own brother is gay. Not that it excuses the comments he made about Kanyon, but at least he's grown since. That's why I don't see what Cena said about Kanyon was throwing him under the bus. All he really said that Kanyon didn't come out until after his WWE departure. He said that “he wasn’t any good”. That he had come “with his persona from wcw: a guy in tights” and stressed he wasn’t any good. He buried him.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 23, 2021 22:41:44 GMT -5
That's why I don't see what Cena said about Kanyon was throwing him under the bus. All he really said that Kanyon didn't come out until after his WWE departure. He said that “he wasn’t any good”. That he had come “with his persona from wcw: a guy in tights” and stressed he wasn’t any good. He buried him. He was so shitty they gave several of his signature moves to edge right after his debut when no one else was doing those...he wasn't any good but apparently he was good enough to steal his moves.
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Post by 5count5count on Sept 23, 2021 22:45:07 GMT -5
The only thing I got from the Chris Kanyon episode is that he really struggled with being bipolar. Weather he was gay or not wouldn't have changed the outcome of his life. I have mental health issues myself and I can't even comprehend enduring such a toxic environment and having it end any other way than it did for Chris Kanyon. F***ing sad. That's what I'm pointing out. That it wasn't about his sexual orientation he was just in the wrong environment for someone with mental health issues. During the whole episode it wasn't mentioned how being gay held him back. It was mostly about his violent outbursts out of nowhere.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Sept 23, 2021 22:45:16 GMT -5
Let's be real...he comes out of a box..dressed like boy George singing culture club...then he gets beaten down with the wrong side of the chair by the locker room leader. If anyone thinks that wasn't sending a message I don't know what is. But what was the message? Kanyon wasn't the first openly gay wrestler that was Pat Patterson who was the first IC champ and a long time employee of Vince's. WWE always had gay characters like Adrian Adonis Goldust and Billy and Chuck. Why would they make an example out of Chris Canyon especially that he didn't come out until years later. I they treated like like they did a lot of former WCW guys when they came over after WCW was bought by Vince. I don't see Taker as a guy who would take liberties on another wrestler. Pat's sexuality was overlooked by the boys because his mind for the business was a major contributing factor to the success of the company, and by extension, their wallets. Things could have ended very differently for Pat if he weren't the mastermind he was, IMO. As for characters, every last one of them were heels when being portrayed as gay and immediately had that character trait downplayed if they turned face. Goldust's first face turn literally started with him denying that he was gay. Billy and Chuck immediately dropped any ambiguously gay character traits once they turned face as well. There's also the infamous Rowdy Roddy Piper promo where he talks to Adrian Adonis about not wanting to have to tell his children about "people like him" where it's pretty damn obvious what he means. Gay characters constantly being portrayed as heels lowkey sends a message to the audience about how the writers feel about gay people. I'm not gay myself, but I can't imagine being gay and a fan of the WWE. It would make me feel like total garbage about myself. So for those of you who are, I can't even begin to imagine how you do it.
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Post by 5count5count on Sept 23, 2021 22:51:46 GMT -5
But what was the message? Kanyon wasn't the first openly gay wrestler that was Pat Patterson who was the first IC champ and a long time employee of Vince's. WWE always had gay characters like Adrian Adonis Goldust and Billy and Chuck. Why would they make an example out of Chris Canyon especially that he didn't come out until years later. I they treated like like they did a lot of former WCW guys when they came over after WCW was bought by Vince. I don't see Taker as a guy who would take liberties on another wrestler. Pat's sexuality was overlooked by the boys because his mind for the business was a major contributing factor to the success of the company, and by extension, their wallets. Things could have ended very differently for Pat if he weren't the mastermind he was, IMO. As for characters, every last one of them were heels when being portrayed as gay and immediately had that character trait downplayed if they turned face. Goldust's first face turn literally started with him denying that he was gay. Billy and Chuck immediately dropped any ambiguously gay character traits once they turned face as well. There's also the infamous Rowdy Roddy Piper promo where he talks to Adrian Adonis about not wanting to have to tell his children about "people like him" where it's pretty damn obvious what he means. Gay characters constantly being portrayed as heels lowkey sends a message to the audience about how the writers feel about gay people. I'm not gay myself, but I can't imagine being gay and a fan of the WWE. It would make me feel like total garbage about myself. So for those of you who are, I can't even begin to imagine how you do it. First off. Pat having a great mind for wrestling and being good for business can be said about any wrestler of any era. Just look at Flair's behavior over the last 45 years. He got away with it for that very reason. Now as for gay characters being heels. Wrestling has always portrayed those being different as heels. Look at most African American, Soman and Asian wrestlers. It was just easier to get a gay character over as a heel than a face and wrestling has always been about stereotypes. The thing about Kanyon was he didn't come out until after he was let go by the WWE which in my opinion just make it seem like he's playing that card to his advantage.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 23, 2021 23:07:28 GMT -5
No one ever said bigots were consistent about their bigotries. It's why racists love to point out that they have a Black friend that's one of the "good ones."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 23:28:20 GMT -5
Is it bad that I am a bit questionable why Kanyon's preferred friends were much younger guys? I am not even sure if he knew. Was it out of acceptance? Just a bit strange as he would have been 10 years or more their seniors I would assume at the time. What a heartbreaking situation....If only he could have gotten proper help. Sinister Minister was amazing...I truly felt he was genuine. I also hope that Mortis sex tape never comes out!
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Post by RGT 85 on Sept 23, 2021 23:32:12 GMT -5
Can we just take a moment to shine some good light on Sinister Minster James Mitchell? The man has been in every company ever and just seems like a real, genuine guy in a crazy business.
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