kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 24, 2021 9:50:38 GMT -5
Cena company man'd it super hard. And I do think he should be ashamed of that in regards to the end results of Kanyon. There's no way he truly thought Kanyon was a bad wrestler. Especially not 2006 Cena.
As for Flair and Taker... They deserve every flack they get for this. More for Taker.
As much as I have my problems with Cage, I'm happy he, the Bucks, and more continue Kanyon's legacy.
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Post by nickcave on Sept 24, 2021 9:59:57 GMT -5
Cena's shit sounds like talking points he was given by Vince before he went on Stern because he knew Stern would probably ask him about Kanyon since he was recently on.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 24, 2021 10:04:50 GMT -5
I mean, Cena buried the guy but he didn’t do anything homophobic or hateful. Yeh he just helped the company that was homophobic towards the guy bury him to cover their tracks. I dont think anyone really accused Cena himself of being homophobic Cena is a company man through and through, if someone in management told him to say that, he'd go out and say it with complete conviction as he has never been mistreated by the company, never booked into oblivion or battered with a chair in a skit designed to humiliate him. He was one of the few people to praise Vince for that Brass ring nonsense, giving equally tone deaf interviews where he acted like everyone else would be given the same chances he was when it isn't the case. It has never been the case. - John Cena.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 24, 2021 10:12:30 GMT -5
I remember back then a lot of people thought Kanyon was doing things for attention. For as bad as things still are in many ways for mental illness it is somewhat jarring how little we took it into account as recently as the mid 2000s.
I do feel bad for everything that happened to Kanyon don't get me wrong. But I remember the stories back then and it was wild... looking back now it's extremely sad
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 24, 2021 10:20:38 GMT -5
Man, this episode is such a bummer. He was ahead of his time professionally and clearly was in need of serious help and people just didn't get mental health issues then. Phew.
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Post by nickcave on Sept 24, 2021 10:23:50 GMT -5
I remember back then a lot of people thought Kanyon was doing things for attention. For as bad as things still are in many ways for mental illness it is somewhat jarring how little we took it into account as recently as the mid 2000s. I do feel bad for everything that happened to Kanyon don't get me wrong. But I remember the stories back then and it was wild... looking back now it's extremely sad Yeah a lot of people at the time thought he was saying he was gay to get over his new character (which even he said at one point but took back) so most people's reactions to him at the time were to eye roll and ignore. I feel like if you looked at message boards on different sites from around the time he was in Stern you would see a lot more people on Flair and Cena's side. Thankfully, I feel like we have at least moved past that in the years since
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 24, 2021 10:38:33 GMT -5
That Stern stuff was the biggest burial I've seen in my life, I don't know why I'd never heard of that before.
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 24, 2021 10:42:52 GMT -5
Is Howard Stern a wrestling fan? I know he's had them on before but him saying Flair was a member of management seems to say he doesn't really follow wrestling. Was Flair a "manager" on screen at the time and Stern mixed the two roles up? It was pretty funny hearing Stern not exactly sure about things, Flair didn't seem too thrilled.
It would be interesting, a few weeks ago with Flair still with WWE, if he made the same statement as he did last night-that he was towing the company line.
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Post by pinja on Sept 24, 2021 10:48:54 GMT -5
Hated the episode. It painted Kanyon himself to be the only guy responsible for his demise, with the rest being on "different times", as if those different times weren't riddled with homophobes. It also treated his sexuality as a dark secret, which is super appalling. Then I saw Jericho with his usual blank expression saying that everybody loved Kanyon, when the episode spend a whole lot of time showing little love for him. Just rotten.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 24, 2021 11:20:02 GMT -5
Hated the episode. It painted Kanyon himself to be the only guy responsible for his demise, with the rest being on "different times", as if those different times weren't riddled with homophobes. It also treated his sexuality as a dark secret, which is super appalling. Then I saw Jericho with his usual blank expression saying that everybody loved Kanyon, when the episode spend a whole lot of time showing little love for him. Just rotten. I dont think they treated it as a dark secret,the point I got was that he treated it as a dark secret and it clearly affected him a lot,but I do feel they went very light on the people that mistreated hin.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Sept 24, 2021 11:35:33 GMT -5
This was a wild ride and a tough watch. But what I got from it is, my god..... Fr. James Mitchell stuck with Kanyon through stuff that'd make anybody else, rightfully, say "No more, I'm done." I gained a lot of respect for him in that, and I really came to a conclusion that Kanyon was his own worst enemy. Both in the literal, and figurative sense.
And honestly, what I took from his relationship with the younger guys was more how he wished he was born ten years later and was just getting into the business when they were. Because with his style, he would've fit in, plus he would be breaking in at a time where he'd actually have the type of acceptance he never thought he could have with the previous generation. I mean, we can spin it however we want, but all those guys hold him in high regard. The Bucks spoke about their relationship with him, at length, in their book and it felt very pure. Kanyon DID admit to Matt, that he had a crush on him, at one point. But nothing else came of it, so I highly doubt he did anything inappropriate.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 24, 2021 12:03:39 GMT -5
The only thing I got from the Chris Kanyon episode is that he really struggled with being bipolar. Weather he was gay or not wouldn't have changed the outcome of his life. I remember him giving some really bizarre interviews leading up to his suicide. He obviously had issues that went way beyond his sexuality. I haven’t seen the episode but Flair and Cena (and ostensibly Vince) said what I always believed: Kanyon just didn’t have “it”. He didn’t suck, but there wasn’t anything memorable about him either. And when he was released, just looking at how loaded that roster was, he would have had a hard time separating from the pack anyway.
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hassanchop
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 24, 2021 12:25:04 GMT -5
So Naitch said this recently in regards to the recent episode of DSOTR:
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 24, 2021 12:39:58 GMT -5
So Naitch said this recently in regards to the recent episode of DSOTR: Can you hear that squeaking? It's the frantic backpedalling.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 24, 2021 12:45:51 GMT -5
There’s something uniquely hilarious about Ric saying “love is love is love is love”.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 24, 2021 12:49:58 GMT -5
Hated the episode. It painted Kanyon himself to be the only guy responsible for his demise, with the rest being on "different times", as if those different times weren't riddled with homophobes. It also treated his sexuality as a dark secret, which is super appalling. Then I saw Jericho with his usual blank expression saying that everybody loved Kanyon, when the episode spend a whole lot of time showing little love for him. Just rotten. I think it is important to remember how much the view point both on homosexuality and mental illness has changed since then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 12:50:54 GMT -5
Well we know Ric didn't make that tweet himself, Since Every First Letter Of Every Word Isn't Capitalized.
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 24, 2021 12:56:42 GMT -5
The way Ric is, I don't see him as an Iron Sheik type that relies on someone else to tweet. Ric is probably pretty well versed in cell phone use and modern technology and is one of those reactionary types that feels the need to tweet any time someone calls him out. It's too bad he didn't keep his mouth shut originally. It would have been really something big and even sadder if Kanyon had killed himself right after the Stern episode.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 24, 2021 13:06:19 GMT -5
So Naitch said this recently in regards to the recent episode of DSOTR: Can you hear that squeaking? It's the frantic backpedalling. Oh I completely believe he was doing what the company told him. That doesnt make anything less scummier,you dont sell out people to corporations and go "oh its all love love love" f*** off.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 24, 2021 13:46:36 GMT -5
The only thing I got from the Chris Kanyon episode is that he really struggled with being bipolar. Weather he was gay or not wouldn't have changed the outcome of his life. I remember him giving some really bizarre interviews leading up to his suicide. He obviously had issues that went way beyond his sexuality. I haven’t seen the episode but Flair and Cena (and ostensibly Vince) said what I always believed: Kanyon just didn’t have “it”. He didn’t suck, but there wasn’t anything memorable about him either. And when he was released, just looking at how loaded that roster was, he would have had a hard time separating from the pack anyway. Going to have to call BS on that, the brand split era was padded out with people like the Bashams, Billy Gunn, Bill DeMott, Bob Holly, Orlando Jordan, Garrison Cade, people who were green, bland, stale as hell... Kanyon was large, he could talk, do comedy, good in the ring and he never at any point halfassed anything he was assigned to do, whether it was job, play someone's comedy lackey, delusional heel, hell, they sent him to OVW and rather than piss and moan like some of his colleagues, he helped train people as he'd done that in the Powerplant and on the various WCW associated films. He was never going to win the world title, but he certainly had more of the 'it' factor than people they clung onto for decades like Bob Holly or John 'All the drawing power of a balled up kleenex but gives Vince Stock tips so was untouchable' Bradshaw Layfield. He had a lot to contribute, but as the past twenty years has shown us, if the WWE don't want you to show what you can do, they won't let you, and when you're released you will be blamed for it by the fanbase.
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