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Post by fw91 on May 4, 2021 10:04:05 GMT -5
The Knicks are for real. I have to tell you, I was hoping for a 3-3 road trip, but I think I might get greedy and hope for a 4-2 trip and put this 4 seed away early. Depends what happens in the next two games, they win one of the next two, than I will get greedy. The toughest two are the next two, I think we can steal a game in LA. . But my question is where do they go from here? Realistically I donโt expect much in the playoffs due to inexperience and lack of super team punch. Whoโs going to be the superstar theyโll finally get?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 10:42:59 GMT -5
The Knicks are for real. I have to tell you, I was hoping for a 3-3 road trip, but I think I might get greedy and hope for a 4-2 trip and put this 4 seed away early. Depends what happens in the next two games, they win one of the next two, than I will get greedy. The toughest two are the next two, I think we can steal a game in LA. . But my question is where do they go from here? Realistically I donโt expect much in the playoffs due to inexperience and lack of super team punch. Whoโs going to be the superstar theyโll finally get? They go up from here They have assets and money to land them a star or just have a better chance at getting All Stars and building up momentum. Right now, realistically they have shots at Kyle Lowry in free agency, Lonzo Ball, etc... They have been tied to others like Oladipo, Beal and LaVine to an extent as well
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 11:00:44 GMT -5
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Post by horsemen4ever on May 4, 2021 11:43:19 GMT -5
The Knicks are not going to win a title this year, The 4 seed and the second round of the playoffs are my titles, we get those I will celebrate like we won a title.
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Post by chrom on May 4, 2021 13:17:15 GMT -5
Lebron: Whoever come up with the idea of a play in tournament needs to be fired!
Lebron also one year ago: I think a play in tournament is necessary.
So will you be hanging up your Jersey then? Or is your ankle not 100%
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Post by hรคลกhtรฅ.gdฤlฤรฟ on May 4, 2021 13:21:33 GMT -5
Lebron: Whoever come up with the idea of a play in tournament needs to be fired! Lebron also one year ago: I think a play in tournament is necessary. So will you be hanging up your Jersey then? Or is your ankle not 100% Didnโt you hear? Heโll never be 100% ever again.
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Post by MrElijah on May 4, 2021 14:02:07 GMT -5
1)Magic 2)Curry 3)Isaiah 4)Oscar 5)Westbrook
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Post by sfvega on May 4, 2021 15:16:52 GMT -5
1)Magic 2)Curry 3)Isaiah 4)Oscar 5)Westbrook Even then, Nash, Kidd, CP3, Stockton are up there. West isn't even a slam dunk #5. His peak was high, but short. Then he just chased box score numbers. Nash won 2 MVPs.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 15:26:38 GMT -5
1)Magic 2)Curry 3)Isaiah 4)Oscar 5)Westbrook Even then, Nash, Kidd, CP3, Stockton are up there. West isn't even a slam dunk #5. His peak was high, but short. Then he just chased box score numbers. Nash won 2 MVPs. As I said, if Westbrook isn't doing everything than he is doing nothing. His total stat numbers are impressive but hollow. I don't understand why some of the fans and media tried to create a narrative that people are picking on him. He's had as much talent around him as Harden had, if not more and did nothing. Westbrook is a top 10 PG but in terms of top 5 i'd still take Nash, Kidd, Stock, CP3 in their primes over him. That's not even counting the people that consider LeBron a PG. I did not care for a guy like CP3 throughout his career but the man is a difference maker. His runs in Phoenix and OKC have showed his value and what he brings to the table. We don't talk about his numbers, we talk about his team winning games. Yet, Wiz have won like 13/15 and we only talk about numbers Brodie put up
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 15:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by MrElijah on May 4, 2021 16:16:14 GMT -5
Even then, Nash, Kidd, CP3, Stockton are up there. West isn't even a slam dunk #5. His peak was high, but short. Then he just chased box score numbers. Nash won 2 MVPs. As I said, if Westbrook isn't doing everything than he is doing nothing. His total stat numbers are impressive but hollow. I don't understand why some of the fans and media tried to create a narrative that people are picking on him. He's had as much talent around him as Harden had, if not more and did nothing.ย Westbrook is a top 10 PG but in terms of top 5 i'd still take Nash, Kidd, Stock, CP3 in their primes over him. That's not even counting the people that consider LeBron a PG. I did not care for a guy like CP3 throughout his career but the man is a difference maker. His runs in Phoenix and OKC have showed his value and what he brings to the table. We don't talk about his numbers, we talk about his team winning games. Yet, Wiz have won like 13/15 and we only talk about numbers Brodie put upย Bron is a Point Forward in the style of Bird but with built like a Tank and longevity. As for the Westbrook/Iverson thing: Allen willed his team and beat the 2001 LA Lakers during a run when that team was on 100% God Mode. And he still needed Overtime to pull the horseshoe out of his ass.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 4, 2021 16:47:57 GMT -5
And this is why OKC is not a multi time champion team. They have essentially a human cheat code in Kevin Durant,but you had a coach who was a Westbrook stan,Westbrook is an all time great player but he is not even close to Durant's level of guy who can just get you a bucket any time. It's partly Durant's fault for being a passive aggressive emo dude,but man someone should have made sure that was KD's team in OKC
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 16:57:00 GMT -5
And this is why OKC is not a multi time champion team. They have essentially a human cheat code in Kevin Durant,but you had a coach who was a Westbrook stan,Westbrook is an all time great player but he is not even close to Durant's level of guy who can just get you a bucket any time. It's partly Durant's fault for being a passive aggressive emo dude,but man someone should have made sure that was KD's team in OKC I agree with this. Durant biggest fault is just wanting to ball and not being a vocal leader. He did support Westbrook when he was a straight up knucklehead when people were shutting on Westbrook for his shitty decisions and not giving the ball to Durant but even Durant got sick of that. Durant never cared that Westbrook wanted to be leader of the team but when it comes down to it Iโm the best player and the best chance of us winning
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Post by sfvega on May 4, 2021 17:05:07 GMT -5
Even then, Nash, Kidd, CP3, Stockton are up there. West isn't even a slam dunk #5. His peak was high, but short. Then he just chased box score numbers. Nash won 2 MVPs. As I said, if Westbrook isn't doing everything than he is doing nothing. His total stat numbers are impressive but hollow. I don't understand why some of the fans and media tried to create a narrative that people are picking on him. He's had as much talent around him as Harden had, if not more and did nothing.ย Westbrook is a top 10 PG but in terms of top 5 i'd still take Nash, Kidd, Stock, CP3 in their primes over him. That's not even counting the people that consider LeBron a PG. I did not care for a guy like CP3 throughout his career but the man is a difference maker. His runs in Phoenix and OKC have showed his value and what he brings to the table. We don't talk about his numbers, we talk about his team winning games. Yet, Wiz have won like 13/15 and we only talk about numbers Brodie put upย I'd take Stock, Kidd, and CP3 just when you realize there is a defensive side of the ball. Maybe Glove too, with his equally short true prime, but he was a menace defensively. Russ has always seemed disinterested on defense, ala Melo. Could easily be much better, but just wasn't interested in it. Which is like 2015-16 and on. Early in his career, he was good defensively. Once he became a star, he coasted on defense a lot like LeBron post-1st title. I'd say 5 is Stockton just cuz CP3 is a lil dickpuncher. 6 is CP3 or Nash. Then Kidd. Then Cousy. Then Glove/Russ. They're very comparable players. Curry I still don't consider a true PG. You could put him top 5 if we're counting him.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 4, 2021 17:32:27 GMT -5
Westbrook is a guy who should have been better then Stockton,Kidd and CP3. The guy can masterfully make any kind of pass,he has great court vision and can get teammates multiple easy buckets a game from interior passes,lobs and cuts and could blow by anyone 1 on 1 early in his career. But he just had the greenlight too often to take bad inifficient shots,would have been scary if he had someone like Pop,Vogel,Stevens or Spoelstra as coach hitting his prime
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Post by sfvega on May 4, 2021 17:45:33 GMT -5
Westbrook is a guy who should have been better then Stockton,Kidd and CP3. The guy can masterfully make any kind of pass,he has great court vision and can get teammates multiple easy buckets a game from interior passes,lobs and cuts and could blow by anyone 1 on 1 early in his career. But he just had the greenlight too often to take bad inifficient shots,would have been scary if he had someone like Pop,Vogel,Stevens or Spoelstra as coach hitting his prime Russ would have left in FA from Pop, guaranteed. Pop is all substance, Russ is all style. Even Kawhi, whose game was an absolute fit for Pop, ended up wanting out because he wanted the wrong things. Pop can turn guys into All Time players when they buy in. Parker is somewhere on that PG list, probably top 25, because he bought in and also was clutch as all hell. But Parker under someone like Casey or Donovan, just another guy. Russ would have bought in for a short time, then wanted out of the structure. Put it this way: Russ is LaVar Arrington and Pop is Buddy Ryan. A guy who improvises, does his own thing, calls his own number, etc and a guy who preaches make the right play 101 times out of 100 are always going to be oil and water.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 18:07:42 GMT -5
As I said, if Westbrook isn't doing everything than he is doing nothing. His total stat numbers are impressive but hollow. I don't understand why some of the fans and media tried to create a narrative that people are picking on him. He's had as much talent around him as Harden had, if not more and did nothing. Westbrook is a top 10 PG but in terms of top 5 i'd still take Nash, Kidd, Stock, CP3 in their primes over him. That's not even counting the people that consider LeBron a PG. I did not care for a guy like CP3 throughout his career but the man is a difference maker. His runs in Phoenix and OKC have showed his value and what he brings to the table. We don't talk about his numbers, we talk about his team winning games. Yet, Wiz have won like 13/15 and we only talk about numbers Brodie put up I'd take Stock, Kidd, and CP3 just when you realize there is a defensive side of the ball. Maybe Glove too, with his equally short true prime, but he was a menace defensively. Russ has always seemed disinterested on defense, ala Melo. Could easily be much better, but just wasn't interested in it. Which is like 2015-16 and on. Early in his career, he was good defensively. Once he became a star, he coasted on defense a lot like LeBron post-1st title. I'd say 5 is Stockton just cuz CP3 is a lil dickpuncher. 6 is CP3 or Nash. Then Kidd. Then Cousy. Then Glove/Russ. They're very comparable players. Curry I still don't consider a true PG. You could put him top 5 if we're counting him. I can agree with that If we talking true PG's I never really considered Russ that either, he's a 2 playing the 1 but for arguments sake i'm keeping guys like him, AI and Steph in this discussion Westbrook falls somewhere in my back 10. CP3 I still think is a little bitch but that man can ball and falls just outside the top 5. Magic, Curry, Isiah, Big O, Stockton, Nash, Kidd, CP3, Cousy, Walt Frazier and then you start looking at someone like Russ who is competing with Glove for that spot That's not even considering other guys i'd take before Westbrook as my primary PG like Chauncey Billups and Tony Parker. What sets Westbrook apart from all of them is his insane athleticism but his decision making and deficiency is the worst of all of them
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 4, 2021 18:21:13 GMT -5
Westbrook is a guy who should have been better then Stockton,Kidd and CP3. The guy can masterfully make any kind of pass,he has great court vision and can get teammates multiple easy buckets a game from interior passes,lobs and cuts and could blow by anyone 1 on 1 early in his career. But he just had the greenlight too often to take bad inifficient shots,would have been scary if he had someone like Pop,Vogel,Stevens or Spoelstra as coach hitting his prime Russ would have left in FA from Pop, guaranteed. Pop is all substance, Russ is all style. Even Kawhi, whose game was an absolute fit for Pop, ended up wanting out because he wanted the wrong things. Pop can turn guys into All Time players when they buy in. Parker is somewhere on that PG list, probably top 25, because he bought in and also was clutch as all hell. But Parker under someone like Casey or Donovan, just another guy. Russ would have bought in for a short time, then wanted out of the structure. Put it this way: Russ is LaVar Arrington and Pop is Buddy Ryan. A guy who improvises, does his own thing, calls his own number, etc and a guy who preaches make the right play 101 times out of 100 are always going to be oil and water. Westbrook is a guy who's belief in himself was always bigger then what he could do(A mentality most people need to have to make it in pro sports) But he was never a "hero ball" guy and was always liked by teammates and coaches. Manu and Parker are kind of guys who would improvise and create turnovers too often early in their careers, on paper Manu and Pop particular doesn't seem like they should exist but Manu's main goal was winning and I believe Westbrook a bit like say AI and early Manu behind their gameplay was the belief the ball in my hands helps a team winning. Westbrook would have absolutely fit in with an old school hardass .
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 18:57:30 GMT -5
Russ would have left in FA from Pop, guaranteed. Pop is all substance, Russ is all style. Even Kawhi, whose game was an absolute fit for Pop, ended up wanting out because he wanted the wrong things. Pop can turn guys into All Time players when they buy in. Parker is somewhere on that PG list, probably top 25, because he bought in and also was clutch as all hell. But Parker under someone like Casey or Donovan, just another guy. Russ would have bought in for a short time, then wanted out of the structure. Put it this way: Russ is LaVar Arrington and Pop is Buddy Ryan. A guy who improvises, does his own thing, calls his own number, etc and a guy who preaches make the right play 101 times out of 100 are always going to be oil and water. Westbrook is a guy who's belief in himself was always bigger then what he could do(A mentality most people need to have to make it in pro sports) But he was never a "hero ball" guy and was always liked by teammates and coaches. Manu and Parker are kind of guys who would improvise and create turnovers too often early in their careers, on paper Manu and Pop particular doesn't seem like they should exist but Manu's main goal was winning and I believe Westbrook a bit like say AI and early Manu behind their gameplay was the belief the ball in my hands helps a team winning. Westbrook would have absolutely fit in with an old school hardass . If Westbrook was with prime Tim Duncan he would not "play ball" with the team. He's a good teammate cause he embodies them against the world but when it comes down to star making plays and passing it to the guy that is better than him to win the game, he doesn't do that. Pop would not be drawing up the team to make sure Westbrook is doing everything which is where Westbrook thrives
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Post by Renslayer on May 4, 2021 19:35:07 GMT -5
gimme seven games of bucks vs nets this june!
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