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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Nov 25, 2020 17:01:49 GMT -5
Gotta say I am not agreeing with Dave here. He signed a big contract for future seasons of Chappelles show. They funded the show, gave him tons of creative freedom and paid him well. He then had an emotional crisis where he realized he was appealing to the wrong demographic and quit. Viacom could have held him to his contract but they let him out. The new contract he signed gave up his residuals. Now he doesn't want them to profit from it. It's not like he is hurting for money or anything. I love Dave's Comedy, it's a happy-ish ending that Netflix agreed to pull the show (No doubt due to their current relationship with him) interesting they didn't actually give him some more money in order to continue running it. The Way he seems to be wording it in the clip, he's not getting paid as a direct result of him peacing out on the 3rd season. If that's not the situation he's doing a bad job presenting his case of why he should get the money. If I paid someone to do a job, they take my money and then don't actually complete the shit I paid them to do, I'm going to feel some type of way about that.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 25, 2020 17:07:28 GMT -5
Gotta say I am not agreeing with Dave here. He signed a big contract for future seasons of Chappelles show. They funded the show, gave him tons of creative freedom and paid him well. He then had an emotional crisis where he realized he was appealing to the wrong demographic and quit. Viacom could have held him to his contract but they let him out. The new contract he signed gave up his residuals. Now he doesn't want them to profit from it. It's not like he is hurting for money or anything. Its not like the Brock/WWE situation where to get out he signed away his ability to make any income for a decade. Dave was able to work as a standup, make any new show he wanted, etc. He just gave away his future profit from a show he wanted nothing to do with anymore. So he is referencing a contract he signed after he left CC? I took it as he was talking about the contract he signed when the show started. From what I have read of the situation he signed a new contract with Viacom where he gave up his rights to residuals to get out of his Chappelles show contract. So he wanted out, they gave him an out that in no way impacted any other income of his, and now he is upset about it. I get that it was his baby but he basically disowned it anyway. They gave him a lot of money to do it, they should be able to make their money back. If Netflix wants to give it up to preserve their business relationship with him thats their choice. Anyone else should not feel bound to do so IMO.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 25, 2020 17:22:24 GMT -5
So he is referencing a contract he signed after he left CC? I took it as he was talking about the contract he signed when the show started. From what I have read of the situation he signed a new contract with Viacom where he gave up his rights to residuals to get out of his Chappelles show contract. So he wanted out, they gave him an out that in no way impacted any other income of his, and now he is upset about it. I get that it was his baby but he basically disowned it anyway. They gave him a lot of money to do it, they should be able to make their money back. If Netflix wants to give it up to preserve their business relationship with him thats their choice. Anyone else should not feel bound to do so IMO.Yep. At his request for fans to boycott it, I respectfully think “f*** that”. Chappelle Show might be one of the best shows I’ve seen in my lifetime. It really made my high school years. And it’s a credit to him and it’s a shame shit went south but he’s thriving. He didn’t stop Charlie Murphy and Donnel Rawlings from doing season three. To tell fans to boycott it “unless he gets paid”...SMH. I just can’t agree with that.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 25, 2020 18:17:55 GMT -5
That's not the way it works One has nothing to do with the other Touche. I still stand by my belief that the man is human trash who is given a free pass on a lot of bullshit. Has nothing to do with this topic, but there you go. For what it's worth, I agree with you. Unlike CK, Chapelle has created too much relevant work to properly disappear...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 18:32:14 GMT -5
Maybe I take some of the stuff he says too lightly, but if you are referring to the Louis CK and Metoo comments from his actual stand up specials, I thought he was just being funny. Like, I get that there's a level of truth to comedy, but the stuff he said about Louis CK and stuff was not actually defending his actions or anything. I’m not decrying it too much, but he had Louis on one his shows this summer. So he must not care TOO much. Then again, everyone in comedy knew the Louis stuff 5 years before it came and no one cared until the public at large knew. So 🤷🏻♂️ Fair enough. I don't follow the celebrity world enough to know that had happened. Sometimes I feel like Dave Chappelle is almost self destructive. Like, he didn't like that his show was appealing to the wrong demographic so he quit, instead of appreciating the fact that the show had the audience it did. Now, he doesn't want people to see that show even though they may have gotten a Netflix subscription in part because they are a Dave Chappelle fan. Now he's still hanging around with a sex offender. I've always had this feeling like he doesn't want to be famous or something, so I don't get why he keeps doing stuff. And for the record, I'm not saying any of this to be a hater. I don't agree with everything he says, but I think he's one of the funniest people that ever lived.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 25, 2020 19:21:48 GMT -5
Gotta say I am not agreeing with Dave here. He signed a big contract for future seasons of Chappelles show. They funded the show, gave him tons of creative freedom and paid him well. He then had an emotional crisis where he realized he was appealing to the wrong demographic and quit. Viacom could have held him to his contract but they let him out. The new contract he signed gave up his residuals. Now he doesn't want them to profit from it. It's not like he is hurting for money or anything. I love Dave's Comedy, it's a happy-ish ending that Netflix agreed to pull the show (No doubt due to their current relationship with him) interesting they didn't actually give him some more money in order to continue running it. The Way he seems to be wording it in the clip, he's not getting paid as a direct result of him peacing out on the 3rd season. If that's not the situation he's doing a bad job presenting his case of why he should get the money. If I paid someone to do a job, they take my money and then don't actually complete the shit I paid them to do, I'm going to feel some type of way about that.IIRC, Chappelle walked away from yhe money at the end. It's not like he left and got to keep the bag. So that's not really what happened.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 25, 2020 19:58:26 GMT -5
This feels really strange to me.
Chapelle's Show seems like it would be a significant draw for Netflix when they're already facing a drought of new content in the immediate future once the stuff taped pre-COVID runs out.
Maybe the war chest is taking a hit as well and it's strictly a financial issue, but it's tough to imagine that it wouldn't be easier just to pay Chapelle to keep him sweet rather than pulling the content from the platform if his objection is strictly financial.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 25, 2020 20:06:59 GMT -5
Touche. I still stand by my belief that the man is human trash who is given a free pass on a lot of bullshit. Has nothing to do with this topic, but there you go. For what it's worth, I agree with you. Unlike CK, Chapelle has created too much relevant work to properly disappear... Chappelle is also likely not a sexual predator.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 25, 2020 20:22:16 GMT -5
This feels really strange to me. Chapelle's Show seems like it would be a significant draw for Netflix when they're already facing a drought of new content in the immediate future once the stuff taped pre-COVID runs out. Maybe the war chest is taking a hit as well and it's strictly a financial issue, but it's tough to imagine that it wouldn't be easier just to pay Chapelle to keep him sweet rather than pulling the content from the platform if his objection is strictly financial. I’m just an idiot but I don’t think they can pay him for hosting the show? All the legality and what-not.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 25, 2020 21:20:29 GMT -5
This feels really strange to me. Chapelle's Show seems like it would be a significant draw for Netflix when they're already facing a drought of new content in the immediate future once the stuff taped pre-COVID runs out. Maybe the war chest is taking a hit as well and it's strictly a financial issue, but it's tough to imagine that it wouldn't be easier just to pay Chapelle to keep him sweet rather than pulling the content from the platform if his objection is strictly financial. Shouldn't be on Netflix to pay Dave for Chappelle's Show. CC owns it, they're the ones Netflix would be paying, and the ones that should pay Dave. Clearly Netflix has calculated and keeping Dave happy for future new content is more important than Chappelle's Show streaming.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 25, 2020 21:38:57 GMT -5
This feels really strange to me. Chapelle's Show seems like it would be a significant draw for Netflix when they're already facing a drought of new content in the immediate future once the stuff taped pre-COVID runs out. Maybe the war chest is taking a hit as well and it's strictly a financial issue, but it's tough to imagine that it wouldn't be easier just to pay Chapelle to keep him sweet rather than pulling the content from the platform if his objection is strictly financial. Shouldn't be on Netflix to pay Dave for Chappelle's Show. CC owns it, they're the ones Netflix would be paying, and the ones that should pay Dave. Clearly Netflix has calculated and keeping Dave happy for future new content is more important than Chappelle's Show streaming. The way I'm reading it is that Chapelle went to Netflix, complained he had signed a bad contract that left him unable to collect revenue if Netflix broadcast the show, so Netflix pulled it in it's entirety. If Netflix cares enough about what Chapelle thinks to pull the show when they have no obligation to, I have to assume they'd be willing to break him off something to put it back on their service. If he's not willing to accept a payout and Netflix is pulling it anyways, I guess that's morally still the right decision but that seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 25, 2020 22:01:54 GMT -5
Shouldn't be on Netflix to pay Dave for Chappelle's Show. CC owns it, they're the ones Netflix would be paying, and the ones that should pay Dave. Clearly Netflix has calculated and keeping Dave happy for future new content is more important than Chappelle's Show streaming. The way I'm reading it is that Chapelle went to Netflix, complained he had signed a bad contract that left him unable to collect revenue if Netflix broadcast the show, so Netflix pulled it in it's entirety. If Netflix cares enough about what Chapelle thinks to pull the show when they have no obligation to, I have to assume they'd be willing to break him off something to put it back on their service. If he's not willing to accept a payout and Netflix is pulling it anyways, I guess that's morally still the right decision but that seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I don't think the point of it is that he needs to be paid in general. The point is Comedy Central is screwing him and should pay him.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 25, 2020 22:06:53 GMT -5
The way I'm reading it is that Chapelle went to Netflix, complained he had signed a bad contract that left him unable to collect revenue if Netflix broadcast the show, so Netflix pulled it in it's entirety. If Netflix cares enough about what Chapelle thinks to pull the show when they have no obligation to, I have to assume they'd be willing to break him off something to put it back on their service. If he's not willing to accept a payout and Netflix is pulling it anyways, I guess that's morally still the right decision but that seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I don't think the point of it is that he needs to be paid in general. The point is Comedy Central is screwing him and should pay him. I understand that. But it sounds like Netflix was willing to pay him, and he said no because he wants Comedy Central to do it. Comedy Central isn't going to do it because the contracts have been signed, their money is what it is. It would be nice if they'd step up and do the right thing, but their incentive is pretty small. So essentially if I have Netflix and wanted to watch Chapelle's Show, which incidentally they did advertise as a part of their programming, I'm SOL because they've decided to take care of Dave Chapelle by pulling his show instead of paying him. Again, I think Dave technically has the moral high ground, but can there really not be a solution found here?
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 25, 2020 22:09:30 GMT -5
I don't think the point of it is that he needs to be paid in general. The point is Comedy Central is screwing him and should pay him. I understand that. But it sounds like Netflix was willing to pay him, and he said no because he wants Comedy Central to do it. Comedy Central isn't going to do it because the contracts have been signed, their money is what it is. It would be nice if they'd step up and do the right thing, but their incentive is pretty small. So essentially if I have Netflix and wanted to watch Chapelle's Show, which incidentally they did advertise as a part of their programming, I'm SOL because they've decided to take care of Dave Chapelle by pulling his show instead of paying him. Again, I think Dave technically has the moral high ground, but can there really not be a solution found here? Well clearly this is all a scheme to get you to subscribe to HBO MAX.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 25, 2020 22:12:57 GMT -5
I understand that. But it sounds like Netflix was willing to pay him, and he said no because he wants Comedy Central to do it. Comedy Central isn't going to do it because the contracts have been signed, their money is what it is. It would be nice if they'd step up and do the right thing, but their incentive is pretty small. So essentially if I have Netflix and wanted to watch Chapelle's Show, which incidentally they did advertise as a part of their programming, I'm SOL because they've decided to take care of Dave Chapelle by pulling his show instead of paying him. Again, I think Dave technically has the moral high ground, but can there really not be a solution found here? Well clearly this is all a scheme to get you to subscribe to HBO MAX. Is that what you think I'm suggesting here?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 23:43:25 GMT -5
The thing about him not getting paid seems like one of those f***ed up situations like the ECW guys were put in. It's like, legally no one is responsible for paying him even though he deserves to be paid. I know it's wrong and he's pissed, but at some point he just has to let go and accept that people are going to be able to enjoy the show until the end of time without him ever getting paid.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 26, 2020 1:47:27 GMT -5
Well clearly this is all a scheme to get you to subscribe to HBO MAX. Is that what you think I'm suggesting here? Nope, just a joke.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 26, 2020 3:23:17 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I agree with you. Unlike CK, Chapelle has created too much relevant work to properly disappear... Chappelle is also likely not a sexual predator. Nope just a big ol' transphobe and kinda racist too but we're trying not to derail here
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Post by salz4life on Nov 27, 2020 11:46:04 GMT -5
The new contract he signed gave up his residuals. yeah.... this is why I'm just meh on the entire thing. I'd love to get behind him as I think he is a comedic genius, but if he knowingly signed a contract that denied him future residuals, this is all on him. If he didn't know what he was signing at the time, it sucks.... but again is on him. He should've had a lawyer or someone to the effect read the contract to ensure what he was signing was to his liking. From what I remember, he did just want to get out of the show by any means necessary, so it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't realize what he was signing at the time.
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Post by salz4life on Nov 27, 2020 11:49:54 GMT -5
From what I have read of the situation he signed a new contract with Viacom where he gave up his rights to residuals to get out of his Chappelles show contract. So he wanted out, they gave him an out that in no way impacted any other income of his, and now he is upset about it. I get that it was his baby but he basically disowned it anyway. They gave him a lot of money to do it, they should be able to make their money back. If Netflix wants to give it up to preserve their business relationship with him thats their choice. Anyone else should not feel bound to do so IMO.Yep. At his request for fans to boycott it, I respectfully think “f*** that”. Chappelle Show might be one of the best shows I’ve seen in my lifetime. It really made my high school years. And it’s a credit to him and it’s a shame shit went south but he’s thriving. He didn’t stop Charlie Murphy and Donnel Rawlings from doing season three. To tell fans to boycott it “unless he gets paid”...SMH. I just can’t agree with that. SNL will always be SNL, but IMO.... Chappelle's Show in 2 seasons (3 was a clear downgrade, but still funny) was above just about everything post Not Ready for Prime Time Players SNL and is on par with the first 5 seasons of SNL. Not sure how many agree with me, but that is my belief.
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