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Post by thechase on Nov 14, 2021 2:40:49 GMT -5
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Nov 14, 2021 14:34:29 GMT -5
a very different episode, very different pacing, and very fundmiental ... oh OH OHHHHHHHH
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Post by thechase on Nov 14, 2021 15:02:43 GMT -5
I gave it a generous six out of ten {Spoiler}{Spoiler}it told a complex story in a simplistic easy-to-follow manner, with several bursts of exposition holding the audience's hand, but Yaz and Dan didn't have anything really interesting to do while lost in the timestorm. The more I see of that historical figure in the mines the more I'm reminded of "Time's Arrow" from the Next Generation. The Doctor and Vinder had the most intriguing stories, and I'd even say Vinders' absolutely nailed it as the best one to sit through. The Weeping Angels were also great.
What was with those adobe budget Daleks?
I think everyone's guessed who the unborn kid is...
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 14, 2021 18:43:13 GMT -5
Chibnall just being like "yeah I'll wait until I can't be fired before I make a decent series"
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Nov 14, 2021 18:48:23 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} I think everyone's guessed who the unborn kid is... {Spoiler}Did I miss a reference?
I'm just wondering if the other two members of the Doctor's strike team will be important. There's a good chance they're long dead since the raid on the temple happened a good two millennium ago (which begs the question of how long Luparis live) but who knows really.
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Post by thechase on Nov 15, 2021 1:46:06 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} I think everyone's guessed who the unborn kid is... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Did I miss a reference?
I'm just wondering if the other two members of the Doctor's strike team will be important. There's a good chance they're long dead since the raid on the temple happened a good two millennium ago (which begs the question of how long Luparis live) but who knows really. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}There's a lot of references Chibnall is pulling from the 'forbidden door' of lore, there was one last week with a house that was implied to be Lungbarrow, and this episode talked about 'love' being Bel's mission, when 'love', according to the John Leekly bible for the proposed U.S adaptation, has something to do with The Doctor's real name. All we need now is proof that Bel is human and that will also validate the TV Movie origin again.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 15, 2021 2:00:45 GMT -5
I enjoyed this week... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yaz and Dan's story didn't seem entirely necessary outside of setting up the Weeping Angels (Which we already knew were around), how Dan's Girlfriend was kidnapped and maybe the Muttonchopped British Man that seems like he's from like the Victorian age that showed up a few times but hasn't done anything But it told a full story while leaving more stuff to be discovered later... still think I like the second episode better.. but still enjoyable. I do think some shots would have worked better if they didn't have to Worry about COVID restrictions... but... that's life.
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Post by thechase on Nov 18, 2021 6:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Nov 21, 2021 15:17:56 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I figured Clare would end up being the Angel that took the TARDIS. We learn she is a regular clairvoyant who lived in the present day and the Angel possessed her, then she was hunted down and taken to the 60s by the hunting party, and the Angel haunting her mind works for the Division and has knowledge of The Doctor's previous lives working for them. I totally didn't see (let alone blink) the cliffhanger coming with everyone losing, and The Doctor 'recalled' to the Division becoming a weeping angel herself
We definitely could have done without the Bel and Vinder stuff.
Oh, and next week Kate Stewart is back. Why did they give that away in the trailer?
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 21, 2021 16:09:55 GMT -5
A few flaws but a good story that zipped along. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Jericho was really good value thanks to McNally. Felt like Claire was stuck in a time loop but it ended up more complicated than that. Yaz taking control of the search was appreciated. The beach mind meeting reminded me of Downtime! Unexpected that the Division resorted to using the Angels as agents before. There were some fun new bits with the Angels this time, between the burning one (no, not Light), paper angel, print-out angel and the hands reaching through the passageway walls. Still ambivalent about them speaking but it's not a new thing. The lighting and shots were nice and moody, worked well for the daytime/nighttime splits as well, and events escalated well. And, while being recalled to the Division is rather a vague threat, it was more than saved by that fantastic angel transformation visual. That's one of the best for the whole era. And Kate back next week!
The flaws were that it was a bit disappointing when the Angels would move around even when being viewed, especially in the TARDIS scene at the start but also others at the house such as when Jericho opens his door to them and turns away but the Doctor was still watching. Felt the Bels stuff actually badly cut the tension, keeping it fixed on the village happenings would've been better and there wasn't really anything that side plot covered essential to show us now. The village itself seemed really desolate, what was it, like 6 people? Perhaps COVID hurt things there...but it did feel empty. Also meant I guessed right away who the old woman was when the 1901 setting happened, since there was so little cast around. And why didn't the vicar end up in 1901 as everyone else did? I'm also feeling like Dan really needs a breather or three, it's just been bang bang bang for the guy. And, while more Angels and Division stuff adds to the mix, the entire Flux threat is getting crowded out. Barring a complete faceplant in the last couple parts, this is the best season for Chibnall's run. Looking forward to next Sunday.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 21, 2021 16:41:13 GMT -5
A few flaws but a good story that zipped along. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Jericho was really good value thanks to McNally. Felt like Claire was stuck in a time loop but it ended up more complicated than that. Yaz taking control of the search was appreciated. The beach mind meeting reminded me of Downtime! Unexpected that the Division resorted to using the Angels as agents before. There were some fun new bits with the Angels this time, between the burning one (no, not Light), paper angel, print-out angel and the hands reaching through the passageway walls. Still ambivalent about them speaking but it's not a new thing. The lighting and shots were nice and moody, worked well for the daytime/nighttime splits as well, and events escalated well. And, while being recalled to the Division is rather a vague threat, it was more than saved by that fantastic angel transformation visual. That's one of the best for the whole era. And Kate back next week!
The flaws were that it was a bit disappointing when the Angels would move around even when being viewed, especially in the TARDIS scene at the start but also others at the house such as when Jericho opens his door to them and turns away but the Doctor was still watching. Felt the Bels stuff actually badly cut the tension, keeping it fixed on the village happenings would've been better and there wasn't really anything that side plot covered essential to show us now. The village itself seemed really desolate, what was it, like 6 people? Perhaps COVID hurt things there...but it did feel empty. Also meant I guessed right away who the old woman was when the 1901 setting happened, since there was so little cast around. And why didn't the vicar end up in 1901 as everyone else did? I'm also feeling like Dan really needs a breather or three, it's just been bang bang bang for the guy. And, while more Angels and Division stuff adds to the mix, the entire Flux threat is getting crowded out. Barring a complete faceplant in the last couple parts, this is the best season for Chibnall's run. Looking forward to next Sunday. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I liked the new twists on the Angels lore and explaining some of the random additions that were made, like the whole "an image of an Angel IS an Angel is true, but takes LOTS of effort and that's why they don't do it all the time. Being attacked by an Angel more than once will actually kill you, adds more menace to them, since going to the past to live is arguably not that bad a fate.
What we learnt this time felt more cohesive than when Moffat would bring them back and change things, I think they're in a better place to be logically reused now. Sparingly obviously.
Plus some fantastic visuals, jumping out of the TV, hundreds of hands, a fire Angel, people including The Doctor in various stages of transformation.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 22, 2021 0:07:57 GMT -5
Watching this now.
They are really doing a bad job of the cant move while looked at.
Multiple times they moved while people were facing them or not moving when people were clearly not looking at them.
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 23, 2021 6:56:59 GMT -5
That was one of my issues, yeah. The first scene in particular, when there's three people there and all very much trying not to blink as well but it's zipping about, was rather egregious and made me spot it happening a few times later on.
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Post by Joker on Nov 23, 2021 7:34:38 GMT -5
I liked they gave the Angels a few more tricks or expanded on some things they did before. Such as how they communicate (with the professor), the get touched twice and you are dead, the image of an image stuff and also whatever was going on in the cave with the arms.
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Post by thechase on Nov 23, 2021 14:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 23, 2021 14:58:31 GMT -5
That was one of my issues, yeah. The first scene in particular, when there's three people there and all very much trying not to blink as well but it's zipping about, was rather egregious and made me spot it happening a few times later on. Another problem I had was the put the head scanners on them... when others have gotten that close in the same episode and were sent back in time... and like the brain scanners thing not doing anything. I really didn't feel this episode as stuff like that kept taking me out of it...
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 23, 2021 17:52:31 GMT -5
I always catch the last two minutes of this while waiting for Strictly.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Nov 25, 2021 14:37:24 GMT -5
GOOD ******* GAWD!!! well, shall we get started by unpacking THIS episode! weeping angels are terrifying = FACT weeping angels working for someone and literally taking them out of of their TIME and then MURDERISING THEM are terrifying = FACT and yet the second biggest terrifying = FACT ... shock was the doctor BEING A WEEPING ANGEL!!! with the doctor seeing ruth in the mirror on planet time, knowing she was pre-hartnell ... was ruth being the last one BEFORE hartnell ... when the doctor scarpered from gallifrey the time lords ... who WORK FOR DIVISION ... like those angels, not all of them! the one who hijacked claire is exactly the same as the doctor, it found out something knarly, wiped ... or STORED its memories in a watch or something ... committed grand theft TARDIS and sodded off to FIX TIME ... fix time mistakes and anomalies ... and even this wasn't enough for bloody chibnall oh no, like i said the SECOND BIGGEST SHOCK ... it wasn't the doctor suddenly changing into a stone time pest OH NO IT WAS THIS *part 2* The vote is taken. Only two stand against and will stand as monument to their shame like the Weeping Angels of old!this is fundamental folks, the looking glass just got smashed!!! and i can't be happier with how the story is unfolding
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Nov 28, 2021 14:23:23 GMT -5
not saying a damn thing about EP5 but it's complicated
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Nov 28, 2021 15:22:04 GMT -5
goddamn don't just mention Osgood, I want her to show up
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