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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 28, 2021 15:59:19 GMT -5
Considering 2 of the main bad guys in different threads are from Line Of Duty, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out H is behind it all.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Nov 28, 2021 17:38:58 GMT -5
I did a double take when they said next week was the season finale
Shame as well because this season has been the best for Jodie
Sod’s law it’s so short
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 28, 2021 19:35:15 GMT -5
Kind of a mess, too many parts fighting for narrative space and ended up cluttered and choppy. Concerned that, when it comes to the crunch, Chibnall's left himself too much to do. We'll find out soon.
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Post by thechase on Nov 29, 2021 2:38:13 GMT -5
not saying a damn thing about EP5 but it's complicated Also a load of exposition-driven bollocks with minimal action.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 5, 2021 14:33:43 GMT -5
so after that final episode ... ANY QUESTIONS? i think we'll have a few ooh did i say it was complicated
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Post by thechase on Dec 5, 2021 14:46:10 GMT -5
It was crap. NYD Trailer {Spoiler}
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Post by Zombie Mod on Dec 5, 2021 15:29:20 GMT -5
so the flux destroyed what 90% of the universe, is it still that way or was it explained how/why it was back to as it was before the flux waves?
I watched it but dont remember if it was stated about that, if it wasn't explained then it's another example of Chibnall's half arsed writing for his time as show runner.
he's been like the vince russo of doctor who, throw big things into the continuity of the show without planning out any real end game for it, and the last few series have reeked of "I want to stamp my name all over the history of the show" the other show runners since the reboot started have all had flaws but never felt like they had the desire to be remembered for their time in charge of the show for good or bad just that the show was well liked and continued well after their time in charge.
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Post by Legion on Dec 5, 2021 15:53:59 GMT -5
No, nothing was explained, unless it was something the Odd was doing. Otherwise the Universe is basically just Earth now.
It was all just stuff that happened in the end. No real answers, no real point.
It was very disappointing and messy and just unsatisfying
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Post by thatloser on Dec 5, 2021 15:55:20 GMT -5
Umm I'm confused by how the Doctor acted in this one {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Remember in season 1 of new who when The Doctor was in their biggest I hate Daleks mode as they weren't that far removed from the Time War and they made that weapon to wipe out all Daleks left only not to use it because The Doctor is well The Doctor?
Because that's all I could think about when The Doctor made sure all those Daleks, Cybermen and Sontarans where destroyed by the flux. That scene really didn't feel like The Doctor to me
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Post by Zombie Mod on Dec 5, 2021 16:08:34 GMT -5
Umm I'm confused by how the Doctor acted in this one {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Remember in season 1 of new who when The Doctor was in their biggest I hate Daleks mode as they weren't that far removed from the Time War and they made that weapon to wipe out all Daleks left only not to use it because The Doctor is well The Doctor?
Because that's all I could think about when The Doctor made sure all those Daleks, Cybermen and Sontarans where destroyed by the flux. That scene really didn't feel like The Doctor to me that's been an issue since Chibnall took over the reigns, the current incarnation of the doctor hasn't really shown any remorse over lives lost during her adventures (on the show, the big finish audio stuff may be different but I've not listened to any.) outside of the first episode post regeneration. it's made the character look incredibly cold hearted.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 5, 2021 17:05:37 GMT -5
Well that was a mess wasn't it? So many things that ended up just being completely pointless. No emotional weight to the end of the frickin' universe. At this point I'm Bart in the Kamp Krusty episode, rocking back and forth repeating "RTD is coming, RTD is coming..."
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 5, 2021 18:25:31 GMT -5
Well that was a mess wasn't it? So many things that ended up just being completely pointless. No emotional weight to the end of the frickin' universe. At this point I'm Bart in the Kamp Krusty episode, rocking back and forth repeating "RTD is coming, RTD is coming..." RTD has his faults but when he's good he's really good, plus he also knew how to make it fun and ambitious
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Post by Rave on Dec 5, 2021 23:15:12 GMT -5
When Chibnall had the bright idea to wreck most of the universe and eradicate a chunk of the Doctor's rogues' gallery, someone should've asked him a very pertinent question: "Then what?"
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 6, 2021 1:07:47 GMT -5
Welll my first issue with this is it had the new who problem of build build build... and 10 minute wrap up... this was just exacerbated as it was basically 6 full hours of build... with the 10 minutes of everything getting wrapped up in a bow... and that's not counting some of the episodes in that 6 hours still felt like filler and unnecessary in the massive build...
Not to mention where it leaves everything the universe basically destroyed... as well as all of the classic villains... (but let's be honest with that the oh this is for sure the last Dalek OOPS there are millions more has been done to death at this point...)
and the ending of dropping the watch into the TARDIS kinda felt like... "I know this is going to be ignored as soon as RTD comes on so I guess I'll just get rid of it for him."
I still feel that Yas is underwritten as a character as a whole and I'm not entirely sure why... I thought in the other season maybe it was because the other 2 had a dynamic with each other and not just the doctor... but... even here where she was basically the main companion and Dan was the confused new comer... she still didn't really stand out too much for me... (but that's a personal thing... maybe she worked for other people)...
Overall I guess it's better than the last series... but... that's not much of an accomplishment...
also if we're talking about out of character... the Daleks appearing at a peace conference in any capacity feels really out of character.
Not to mention when "Time" mentioned the gathering forces and THEIR MASTER... shouldn't the Doctor's response be more of a "What did you say?" not a who? at this point...
also how about that Grand Serpent... he certainly... did... things....
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 6, 2021 1:10:23 GMT -5
so the flux destroyed what 90% of the universe, is it still that way or was it explained how/why it was back to as it was before the flux waves? I watched it but dont remember if it was stated about that, if it wasn't explained then it's another example of Chibnall's half arsed writing for his time as show runner. he's been like the vince russo of doctor who, throw big things into the continuity of the show without planning out any real end game for it, and the last few series have reeked of "I want to stamp my name all over the history of the show" the other show runners since the reboot started have all had flaws but never felt like they had the desire to be remembered for their time in charge of the show for good or bad just that the show was well liked and continued well after their time in charge. I still can't get over the Cybermen Time Lords... that were basically written off in the same episode... and didn't make any sense to begin with. "They'll be an unkillable unstoppable army... we made with a bunch of Timelord corpses." ... First off if they're unkillable HOW ARE THERE CORPSES... I can only hope that when RTD takes over again the writing improves... because the past few series while the Doctor has been enjoyable... the writing around them has fallen flat. and I'm not just talking about Jodi either, Capaldi had similar issues where he was fine but the stories were weak.
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Post by Rave on Dec 6, 2021 1:58:15 GMT -5
also how about that Grand Serpent... he certainly... did... things.... It's a shame he wasn't more of a central villain, he was certainly more interesting than the boring invincible Ravagers were.
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Post by thechase on Dec 6, 2021 1:58:21 GMT -5
Also, poor Dan...he wasn't late you bitch!
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Post by Rave on Dec 6, 2021 2:33:09 GMT -5
Am I the only one who couldn't take the Doctor/Karvanista scene in the cell seriously? I know Chibnall was prob'ly going for dramatic effect with it all, but there were certain things implied that had me in a fit of inappropriate giggles.
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Post by thechase on Dec 6, 2021 4:08:13 GMT -5
Am I the only one who couldn't take the Doctor/Karvanista scene in the cell seriously? I know Chibnall was prob'ly going for dramatic effect with it all, but there were certain things implied that had me in a fit of inappropriate giggles. Too much like something right out of Red Dwarf for me.
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 6, 2021 4:35:10 GMT -5
Well...that wasn't very good, was it? I applaud the ambition and drive in this series and I'd probably say it was Chibnall's best of the three. Series 11 was awfully bland and superficial, Series 12 an improvement until the multiple car crash of a finale. I figure Halloween will be kind of fun to rewatch to see what worked out and what was completely pointless, and both War and Village could stand on their own.
But so much of the potential and plot threads just trailed off in a horrible damp squib and made the story arc rather a waste of time.
But let's give it up for the two funniest parts of the whole series!
After the fan guesses and theories, The Grand Serpent is revealed to be just...some...bloke. Just a bloke. Who ambles off meekly to his rock when told.
And the Amazing Theoretical Dog Aliens, where Karvanista is the only one ever seen and they all get wiped out off-screen. Not because they couldn't afford to create more than one dog costume, oh no no, it was more dramatically rich this way!
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