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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 22, 2020 19:17:56 GMT -5
Also let's be blunt here, if he is talking to a 'big star' then it probably isn't a female wrestler, because almost no female big stars aren't locked down, which would mean yet another male to debut, be really hot for a bit, and then disappear from TV, all while a bunch of women are stuck on Dark. The women thing will be a problem for a good long while. Taya I think her time is coming up soon but considering her husband is back in WWE, I can see her wanting to be there and no doubt HHH would love to have her in NXT They really don't need another male star. Yes, you need talent for another show but when you are talking big names, that's for your main show Dynamite. They have enough bodies to include for a 2nd Thunder like show and at this point talent isn't the problem from the male side Taya would be a great signing if they can get her. And unlike with WWE, she'd still be able to work AAA if that's something she still wants to do. I just hope there'd be a plan for her in place if/when she puts pen to paper.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 22, 2020 20:26:56 GMT -5
Their roster is pretty fine as it is AEW has had a problem of signing new people, making them the biggest deal for a month and then watching them fade into the background as another act Archer has just been there since he came in feuding with Cody tho they may finally start using him regularly again Also let's be blunt here, if he is talking to a 'big star' then it probably isn't a female wrestler, because almost no female big stars aren't locked down, which would mean yet another male to debut, be really hot for a bit, and then disappear from TV, all while a bunch of women are stuck on Dark. Look we get it, the girls need work, but they worked three great feud segments into this weeks Dynamite featuring like 11 women, plus a banger match, and that's progress. And DARK's quickly becoming a match where a quarter of the card is women's matches to get the girls reps and scout for talent. Them looking at the likes of Lady Frost and Vipress is proving they're looking at a higher talent bar than usual, and seeing the likes of Dreamgirl Ellie and Jenna again is very promising. Plus Baker's Waiting Room segment will feature Tay Conti this week, completely women's centered. A lot of the girls aren't "stuck" on DARK, fact is they need reps and match experience, and they've been getting it, thankfully. If Dynamite continues to build on top of what last week did it will be promising.
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Post by markymark on Nov 22, 2020 23:02:07 GMT -5
Keep Lesnar far, far away from AEW. He'd bring all his toxicity with him that made his latest WWE runs such a chore to go through. Angle and Sting are also not in any condition to wrestle anymore and would be in Tully or Taz-style managerial roles. Punk is... well, I don't know what Punk even wants to do with his life anymore except troll idiots on social media. RUSH and Dragon Lee are two of the biggest names not in WWE or AEW. They'd be much bigger deals than any of the others being used as examples of "big names," especially since they're in the primes of their careers. I remember Sting said he had 1 more match in him, part of me would wish for AEW to bring Sting for a final match and give him a farewell like WWE just gave to the Undertaker.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 22, 2020 23:33:00 GMT -5
Keep Lesnar far, far away from AEW. He'd bring all his toxicity with him that made his latest WWE runs such a chore to go through. Angle and Sting are also not in any condition to wrestle anymore and would be in Tully or Taz-style managerial roles. Punk is... well, I don't know what Punk even wants to do with his life anymore except troll idiots on social media. RUSH and Dragon Lee are two of the biggest names not in WWE or AEW. They'd be much bigger deals than any of the others being used as examples of "big names," especially since they're in the primes of their careers. Remember if Lesnar ever shows up in AEW it will be under AEW terms. It doesn't seem realistic that Tony would pay him enough to make that happen though. Sting has said he thinks he could still wrestle many times. It would depend on Sting and AEW doctors to decide that. But I agree at his age. Sting should stay retired and AEW shouldn't bother. Kurt Angle has said his body is really beat up and that's why he retired when he did. But he also said he wasn't really happy how WWE handled his last run and if his body starts to feel better. He could change his mind and return. Since he said this few months ago. I doubt he's at the point where be would feel good enough to where he wanted to wrestle again. Let's keep in mind Edge only returned. After AEW talk to him and asked if he thought he could wrestle again. So if they explored that with Edge. I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't with few other guys. CM Punk you just never know with this guy. His movie career and hosting gig with Fox didn't go anywhere. Hes at the age now where if he's gonna do one last run as a wrestler. Well he's gotta do it somewhat soon. So I wouldn't be surprised if he takes one final payday to return to wrestling for a few years not working a lot of dates. Hes more likely then Lesnar or probably Kurt Angle at this point. Punk clearly has trust issues which makes it hard to believe he would go back to WWE. I'm not sure how Rush or Dragon Lee would be big names at all. Nobody watching ROH anymore so neither would come off as a big deal. Let's say AEW signed Rush. He wouldn't be some top act in AEW. He would be a mid card guy who could maybe get pushed up the card after a while but wouldn't be a big deal in 2020 or probably most 2021 on AEW roster. He would be where Ricky Starks or Sammy Guevara are. While Dragon Lee unfortunately doesn't speak English very well. You aren't going to be a top guy on American tv show with lots of competition if you can't do promos. I think that's why Lucha Bros have turned more into mid card tag team once tv started and why they have been putting them with Pac and Kingston who are good talkers. Anyways my guess is the people Tony Khan is about are Ryback, Ethan Page and maybe AOP. Considering Ryback and Page are both close with Cody and both have expressed interest in joining AEW. While AOP is talent tag team I can see AEW jumping on. I don't consider them big names but they are big enough names to where Tony would think fans might think so.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 23, 2020 3:24:12 GMT -5
Also let's be blunt here, if he is talking to a 'big star' then it probably isn't a female wrestler, because almost no female big stars aren't locked down, which would mean yet another male to debut, be really hot for a bit, and then disappear from TV, all while a bunch of women are stuck on Dark. Look we get it, the girls need work, but they worked three great feud segments into this weeks Dynamite featuring like 11 women, plus a banger match, and that's progress. And DARK's quickly becoming a match where a quarter of the card is women's matches to get the girls reps and scout for talent. Them looking at the likes of Lady Frost and Vipress is proving they're looking at a higher talent bar than usual, and seeing the likes of Dreamgirl Ellie and Jenna again is very promising. Plus Baker's Waiting Room segment will feature Tay Conti this week, completely women's centered. A lot of the girls aren't "stuck" on DARK, fact is they need reps and match experience, and they've been getting it, thankfully. If Dynamite continues to build on top of what last week did it will be promising. However much progress they make in one week is near meaningless until there is systemic, structural change. And you can hype Dark up as much as you like, the fact of the matter is that it just is not television and that speaks volumes about the company's attitude towards women.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 5:07:43 GMT -5
Another option I didn't consider is Chris Hero
I think he was stuck in the UK when the pandemic hit. I wonder if this hint is an indication that he signed somewhere or would return soon
AEW LOVES Player/Coaches to help train youngr talent, Hero not only can still go with anyone but he'd fit that and then some.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 5:18:41 GMT -5
Look we get it, the girls need work, but they worked three great feud segments into this weeks Dynamite featuring like 11 women, plus a banger match, and that's progress. And DARK's quickly becoming a match where a quarter of the card is women's matches to get the girls reps and scout for talent. Them looking at the likes of Lady Frost and Vipress is proving they're looking at a higher talent bar than usual, and seeing the likes of Dreamgirl Ellie and Jenna again is very promising. Plus Baker's Waiting Room segment will feature Tay Conti this week, completely women's centered. A lot of the girls aren't "stuck" on DARK, fact is they need reps and match experience, and they've been getting it, thankfully. If Dynamite continues to build on top of what last week did it will be promising. However much progress they make in one week is near meaningless until there is systemic, structural change. And you can hype Dark up as much as you like, the fact of the matter is that it just is not television and that speaks volumes about the company's attitude towards women. Khan himself said he's using DARK to develop the girls and get them and other things like Waiting Room ready for TV, so no, it doesn't speak volumes about their attitude towards women. Like it or not dude a lot of this women's roster needs reps and needs DARK matches, even the likes of Ford and Big Swole have come off green and sloppy in their TV stints, they're both good but it has spoken volumes about their lack of depth for the last few months. They need reps, as do the bevy of young talent they have. This isn't hurting them at all, and without DARK, a lot of these girls would not only not get looks or reps for their wrestling workrate but wouldn't get signed period. They don't need "Systemic Change" they just need to be featured consistently and fill out their roster especially in the middle, both things seem to be improving by the week. I get being pessimistic about it, but at this point I can see effort being put in, and if we're still gonna shit on it, then it's never gonna improve.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 23, 2020 7:41:12 GMT -5
However much progress they make in one week is near meaningless until there is systemic, structural change. And you can hype Dark up as much as you like, the fact of the matter is that it just is not television and that speaks volumes about the company's attitude towards women. Khan himself said he's using DARK to develop the girls and get them and other things like Waiting Room ready for TV, so no, it doesn't speak volumes about their attitude towards women. Like it or not dude a lot of this women's roster needs reps and needs DARK matches, even the likes of Ford and Big Swole have come off green and sloppy in their TV stints, they're both good but it has spoken volumes about their lack of depth for the last few months. They need reps, as do the bevy of young talent they have. This isn't hurting them at all, and without DARK, a lot of these girls would not only not get looks or reps for their wrestling workrate but wouldn't get signed period. They don't need "Systemic Change" they just need to be featured consistently and fill out their roster especially in the middle, both things seem to be improving by the week. I get being pessimistic about it, but at this point I can see effort being put in, and if we're still gonna shit on it, then it's never gonna improve. You know, we might be better off just not discussing this. You and I don't agree about this, but I like you and I respect you (brother) and we get nowhere trying to convince the other on any of this.
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Post by Dang! on Nov 23, 2020 7:48:08 GMT -5
Keep Lesnar far, far away from AEW. He'd bring all his toxicity with him that made his latest WWE runs such a chore to go through. Angle and Sting are also not in any condition to wrestle anymore and would be in Tully or Taz-style managerial roles. Punk is... well, I don't know what Punk even wants to do with his life anymore except troll idiots on social media. RUSH and Dragon Lee are two of the biggest names not in WWE or AEW. They'd be much bigger deals than any of the others being used as examples of "big names," especially since they're in the primes of their careers. Lesnar is ruining wrestling when he appears. They could have used him when Orange Cassidy was just a joke to have a match where OC dodges Brock's shit, but gets squashed anyway, but now that OC had competitive matches against big names this option is out. Nooo, Lesnar would be a shit idea.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 8:21:53 GMT -5
Khan himself said he's using DARK to develop the girls and get them and other things like Waiting Room ready for TV, so no, it doesn't speak volumes about their attitude towards women. Like it or not dude a lot of this women's roster needs reps and needs DARK matches, even the likes of Ford and Big Swole have come off green and sloppy in their TV stints, they're both good but it has spoken volumes about their lack of depth for the last few months. They need reps, as do the bevy of young talent they have. This isn't hurting them at all, and without DARK, a lot of these girls would not only not get looks or reps for their wrestling workrate but wouldn't get signed period. They don't need "Systemic Change" they just need to be featured consistently and fill out their roster especially in the middle, both things seem to be improving by the week. I get being pessimistic about it, but at this point I can see effort being put in, and if we're still gonna shit on it, then it's never gonna improve. You know, we might be better off just not discussing this. You and I don't agree about this, but I like you and I respect you (brother) and we get nowhere trying to convince the other on any of this. I respect that, thank you. I guess I just wanna try to remain positive about some things yknow? I just hope AEW can keep momentum to make that feel justified
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 23, 2020 10:15:54 GMT -5
No more names, give the women not named Brandi something to do on Dynamite. Not Dark, Dynamite.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 11:48:15 GMT -5
No more names, give the women not named Brandi something to do on Dynamite. Not Dark, Dynamite. Once again, like 11 girls got screentime on Dynamite last week, a good match, good segments, and promo time. And there's a women's championship match this week between Anna Jay and Hikaru Shida, to add to this, Brandi has been knocked out of action for over a month because of Jade. They're at the very least trying more so than they had been the previous few months.
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Post by markymark on Nov 23, 2020 12:09:13 GMT -5
No more names, give the women not named Brandi something to do on Dynamite. Not Dark, Dynamite. Would Taya count as a big name?
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Post by Celgress on Nov 23, 2020 12:18:16 GMT -5
No more names, give the women not named Brandi something to do on Dynamite. Not Dark, Dynamite. Would Taya count as a big name? It's debatable. She's a good hand there is no denying it, but her name value isn't that high Lucha Underground has been off the air for years now and even some smart Pro Wrestling fans have no idea TNA/Impact is still a thing.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 23, 2020 12:52:36 GMT -5
No more names, give the women not named Brandi something to do on Dynamite. Not Dark, Dynamite. Once again, like 11 girls got screentime on Dynamite last week, a good match, good segments, and promo time. And there's a women's championship match this week between Anna Jay and Hikaru Shida, to add to this, Brandi has been knocked out of action for over a month because of Jade. They're at the very least trying more so than they had been the previous few months. That's not saying much. Shida's still floating around with the belt without any meaningful feuds or any sign she's likely to enter one. Having PPV matches with little behind them does her and the division no favours, and it's the same crap they put Riho through.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 23, 2020 13:08:14 GMT -5
No more names, give the women not named Brandi something to do on Dynamite. Not Dark, Dynamite. Once again, like 11 girls got screentime on Dynamite last week, a good match, good segments, and promo time. And there's a women's championship match this week between Anna Jay and Hikaru Shida, to add to this, Brandi has been knocked out of action for over a month because of Jade. They're at the very least trying more so than they had been the previous few months. I liked what they did with the women but we shouldn’t make it seem like they were all over the show. The Jade/Brandi attack and Anna Jay challenge were short little segments seemingly less than a minute long and they had the NWA title match which was enjoyable and had Baker interfering. It’s definitely a start but they could do with spreading the women around on the show and giving them lengthier stories and maybe even two matches per show.
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Post by anglarite on Nov 23, 2020 13:24:19 GMT -5
What if "Big" is actually part of the name...?
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Post by chrom on Nov 23, 2020 13:42:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Dragon Lee and Rush are nobodies. Lee's feud with Kamaitachi reopened a lot of eyes back to Lucha Libre and Rush lead the most popular faction in Mexico which lead to an even more popular faction forming in New Japan.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 23, 2020 13:57:03 GMT -5
Would Taya count as a big name? It's debatable. She's a good hand there is no denying it, but her name value isn't that high Lucha Underground has been off the air for years now and even some smart Pro Wrestling fans have no idea TNA/Impact is still a thing. If you don't look at Impact or the indies, there aren't really any "names" out there besides Thea Trinidad. While AEW is a far friendlier environment to the things that got her fired from WWE, I personally would rather see her use her platform to keep unionization momentum going. Bringing in more joshi talent is also unfeasible at this point until the world has a much better handle on the pandemic.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 23, 2020 14:31:08 GMT -5
You know, we might be better off just not discussing this. You and I don't agree about this, but I like you and I respect you (brother) and we get nowhere trying to convince the other on any of this. I respect that, thank you. I guess I just wanna try to remain positive about some things yknow? I just hope AEW can keep momentum to make that feel justified I'm with you. If I'm being honest I think the AEW product sometimes gets too much negativity! And to be blunt, if it was any division except the women's I'd have been wayyyyy quieter about it anyway. Plus, I have to say that even if I feel like the women are under-represented, what they do with that time has been almost uniformly good to great. And they got Riho over, which if you'd told me a few years ago that a national American promotion would be able to get a joshi of that size and stature over as their top babyface, I would have laughed in your face. I wouldn't say Dragon Lee and Rush are nobodies. Lee's feud with Kamaitachi reopened a lot of eyes back to Lucha Libre and Rush lead the most popular faction in Mexico which lead to an even more popular faction forming in New Japan. I don't think anybody was implying that they were nobodies, but none of the things you were describing would necessarily mean anything to a fan watching Dynamite. Some folks watch WWE their whole lives - some others may have done so before AEW, and not give a shit about Mexico or ROH. Or rather, I don't think that's what Tony Khan, as the promoter of a North American wrestling promotion, is going to refer to as being 'big names.'
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