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Post by Celgress on Nov 23, 2020 14:41:54 GMT -5
It's debatable. She's a good hand there is no denying it, but her name value isn't that high Lucha Underground has been off the air for years now and even some smart Pro Wrestling fans have no idea TNA/Impact is still a thing. If you don't look at Impact or the indies, there aren't really any "names" out there besides Thea Trinidad. While AEW is a far friendlier environment to the things that got her fired from WWE, I personally would rather see her use her platform to keep unionization momentum going. Bringing in more joshi talent is also unfeasible at this point until the world has a much better handle on the pandemic.
I basically agree with you, what I meant was does Taya (or anyone currently featured on Impact outside of maybe the former Emma) have huge name value that will pop a rating or get more eyeballs on the product? I'd say, sadly, no.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 23, 2020 14:47:55 GMT -5
I think the average AEW fan tends to be more "in the know" about indies, ROH, Impact, and international talent than given credit for. Especially when you consider the company's origins.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 23, 2020 15:20:04 GMT -5
I think the average AEW fan tends to be more "in the know" about indies, ROH, Impact, and international talent than given credit for. Especially when you consider the company's origins. Yeah, but I'm talking about causal or crossover fans. Them attracting new fans or bringing back lapsed fans (if any are left). I think AEW has most of us smarks already locked.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 23, 2020 15:21:02 GMT -5
I think the average AEW fan tends to be more "in the know" about indies, ROH, Impact, and international talent than given credit for. Especially when you consider the company's origins. Yes, but I'd say those people are already watching.
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Post by Venti on Nov 23, 2020 18:36:06 GMT -5
Dear TK, Build what you have. That's why WWF got hot in 1998 and WCW fell apart. Unless the shiniest of shiny objects comes along (Okada, New Day, Becky Lynch), don't pull out the stops to auto-push a new guy for a few weeks and then allow him/her to fall back in line. (See - Brian Cage.) So many in-house talents could be the next big things and deserve more time to grow on-screen. I get that you gotta go for FTR and Mr. Brodie Lee, but Matt Cardona? C'mon. They've been doing pretty good for the most part, but I want more P&P, MJF, Fenix and Ricky Starks and less Matt Hardy going over. All that said, I do dig the Dynamite booking strategy of not using only the same top guys and gals every week and blowing through a feud in paint-by-numbers tropes. I agree with this. Guys like Brian Cage, MJF, Private Party, FTR, etc could all be big stars for them with the right amount of work and booking. I don't want to see these guys stuck in the midcard. I'm not trying to pick on AEW here, but it feels like they'll bring someone in with a lot of hype, that person eventually loses, then they kinda float around the mid-card. Granted I haven't watched in a while(burnt out on wrestling shows) so I could be totally off-base here,but has Archer for example done anything noteworthy since feuding with Cody early this year?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 18:48:58 GMT -5
Dear TK, Build what you have. That's why WWF got hot in 1998 and WCW fell apart. Unless the shiniest of shiny objects comes along (Okada, New Day, Becky Lynch), don't pull out the stops to auto-push a new guy for a few weeks and then allow him/her to fall back in line. (See - Brian Cage.) So many in-house talents could be the next big things and deserve more time to grow on-screen. I get that you gotta go for FTR and Mr. Brodie Lee, but Matt Cardona? C'mon. They've been doing pretty good for the most part, but I want more P&P, MJF, Fenix and Ricky Starks and less Matt Hardy going over. All that said, I do dig the Dynamite booking strategy of not using only the same top guys and gals every week and blowing through a feud in paint-by-numbers tropes. I agree with this. Guys like Brian Cage, MJF, Private Party, FTR, etc could all be big stars for them with the right amount of work and booking. I don't want to see these guys stuck in the midcard. I'm not trying to pick on AEW here, but it feels like they'll bring someone in with a lot of hype, that person eventually loses, then they kinda float around the mid-card. Granted I haven't watched in a while(burnt out on wrestling shows) so I could be totally off-base here,but has Archer for example done anything noteworthy since feuding with Cody early this year? Had a world title match vs Jon Moxley and looks to be heading full steam into a war with Eddie Kingston and his faction. Archer's actually been improving promo wise and got a new theme so they've been doing stuff with him.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 18:50:50 GMT -5
I think the average AEW fan tends to be more "in the know" about indies, ROH, Impact, and international talent than given credit for. Especially when you consider the company's origins. Yeah, but I'm talking about causal or crossover fans. Them attracting new fans or bringing back lapsed fans (if any are left). I think AEW has most of us smarks already locked. I mean if AEW brought in the likes of a RUSH or Dragon Lee and a casual didn't know who they were, it might not be the worst thing when they see them wrestle, just like Top Flight. AEW has a strength of bringing in people you've never even considered as a wrestling fan and turning you into a fan, so if they continue doing that on both Dynamite and DARK I'll be cool with that
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Post by Glitch on Nov 23, 2020 18:53:37 GMT -5
Bram signed to AEW for three years.
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Post by Venti on Nov 23, 2020 18:55:01 GMT -5
I agree with this. Guys like Brian Cage, MJF, Private Party, FTR, etc could all be big stars for them with the right amount of work and booking. I don't want to see these guys stuck in the midcard. I'm not trying to pick on AEW here, but it feels like they'll bring someone in with a lot of hype, that person eventually loses, then they kinda float around the mid-card. Granted I haven't watched in a while(burnt out on wrestling shows) so I could be totally off-base here,but has Archer for example done anything noteworthy since feuding with Cody early this year? Had a world title match vs Jon Moxley and looks to be heading full steam into a war with Eddie Kingston and his faction. Archer's actually been improving promo wise and got a new theme so they've been doing stuff with him. That's good to hear! I might have to come away from my wrestling-watching hiatus and tune in. I've been watching some clips of Kingston and he's very good, so I definitely want to see more of him.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 19:31:30 GMT -5
Had a world title match vs Jon Moxley and looks to be heading full steam into a war with Eddie Kingston and his faction. Archer's actually been improving promo wise and got a new theme so they've been doing stuff with him. That's good to hear! I might have to come away from my wrestling-watching hiatus and tune in. I've been watching some clips of Kingston and he's very good, so I definitely want to see more of him. Kingston vs Moxley is curently my world title feud of the year, great build, great old school matches between them
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Nov 23, 2020 19:43:29 GMT -5
Dude's doing what he's SUPPOSED to do as the owner of an entertainment company: Generate attention
Also, there's no guarantee it's going to be someone coming in as an Active Wrestler, we might be a few months away from Stevie Ray being announced as the color commentator for the new Saturday show (Hey, he's a big name to me)
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 23, 2020 20:55:25 GMT -5
Dear TK, Build what you have. That's why WWF got hot in 1998 and WCW fell apart. Unless the shiniest of shiny objects comes along (Okada, New Day, Becky Lynch), don't pull out the stops to auto-push a new guy for a few weeks and then allow him/her to fall back in line. (See - Brian Cage.) So many in-house talents could be the next big things and deserve more time to grow on-screen. I get that you gotta go for FTR and Mr. Brodie Lee, but Matt Cardona? C'mon. They've been doing pretty good for the most part, but I want more P&P, MJF, Fenix and Ricky Starks and less Matt Hardy going over. All that said, I do dig the Dynamite booking strategy of not using only the same top guys and gals every week and blowing through a feud in paint-by-numbers tropes. Matt Cardona never got signed. He just had 5 appearance deal.I have no problem bringing in ex WWE talent if it's high end talent. Like If AJ Styles, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens, Daniel Bryan, Drew McIntyre, Randy Orton, Bray Wyatt, Keith Lee and guys like that. Or Brock and CM Punk. Well AEW should have interest in talent like that. But for most part AEW should be creating own guys. Which they have done good job adding Brian Cage, Ricky Starks, Will Hobbs, Acclaimed, Top Flight and Eddie Kingston. Once Brian Pillman jr MLW deal expires you could add him to the list.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 22:04:54 GMT -5
Dear TK, Build what you have. That's why WWF got hot in 1998 and WCW fell apart. Unless the shiniest of shiny objects comes along (Okada, New Day, Becky Lynch), don't pull out the stops to auto-push a new guy for a few weeks and then allow him/her to fall back in line. (See - Brian Cage.) So many in-house talents could be the next big things and deserve more time to grow on-screen. I get that you gotta go for FTR and Mr. Brodie Lee, but Matt Cardona? C'mon. They've been doing pretty good for the most part, but I want more P&P, MJF, Fenix and Ricky Starks and less Matt Hardy going over. All that said, I do dig the Dynamite booking strategy of not using only the same top guys and gals every week and blowing through a feud in paint-by-numbers tropes. Matt Cardona never got signed. He just had 5 appearance deal.I have no problem bringing in ex WWE talent if it's high end talent. Like If AJ Styles, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens, Daniel Bryan, Drew McIntyre, Randy Orton, Bray Wyatt, Keith Lee and guys like that. Or Brock and CM Punk. Well AEW should have interest in talent like that. But for most part AEW should be creating own guys. Which they have done good job adding Brian Cage, Ricky Starks, Will Hobbs, Acclaimed, Top Flight and Eddie Kingston. Once Brian Pillman jr MLW deal expires you could add him to the list. This is also why they should be interested in the likes of Mance Warner, RUSH, and Dragon Lee They're a bit better known Indie names, but they're still names AEW could take and make their own, for a broader audience.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 23, 2020 23:48:39 GMT -5
Matt Cardona never got signed. He just had 5 appearance deal.I have no problem bringing in ex WWE talent if it's high end talent. Like If AJ Styles, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens, Daniel Bryan, Drew McIntyre, Randy Orton, Bray Wyatt, Keith Lee and guys like that. Or Brock and CM Punk. Well AEW should have interest in talent like that. But for most part AEW should be creating own guys. Which they have done good job adding Brian Cage, Ricky Starks, Will Hobbs, Acclaimed, Top Flight and Eddie Kingston. Once Brian Pillman jr MLW deal expires you could add him to the list. This is also why they should be interested in the likes of Mance Warner, RUSH, and Dragon Lee They're a bit better known Indie names, but they're still names AEW could take and make their own, for a broader audience. I agree on Rush and Warner. Even though I'm not huge fan of Warner Stone Cold cosplay gimmick. But maybe he tweek it a bit. I would love Dragon Lee as well. If he spoke English. Other wise he's a tough sell besides random good matches.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2020 23:52:24 GMT -5
This is also why they should be interested in the likes of Mance Warner, RUSH, and Dragon Lee They're a bit better known Indie names, but they're still names AEW could take and make their own, for a broader audience. I agree on Rush and Warner. Even though I'm not huge fan of Warner Stone Cold cosplay gimmick. But maybe he tweek it a bit. I would love Dragon Lee as well. If he spoke English. Other wise he's a tough sell besides random good matches. He'd be fine since Penta and Fenix have been doing great with the language barrier, same with the girls like Shida and Riho over this year. They could always give him a manager or even a friend to get by those speaking issues, I mean RUSH and Lee have teamed together and in AEW's tag division could even do so again. AEW wants wrestlers to get over with their in ring work and if you can work with the best of em it goes a long way in their eyes, it's what got Sydal signed, Lee's another type of workhorse where people could see him and be like "Oh this is gonna be good, I need to see this" and tune in. Dragon Lee is also only 25 a completely worthwhile investment for AEW if they do it. Youth upside is definitely a plus for AEW when they look at talent to sign.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 24, 2020 0:10:54 GMT -5
I agree on Rush and Warner. Even though I'm not huge fan of Warner Stone Cold cosplay gimmick. But maybe he tweek it a bit. I would love Dragon Lee as well. If he spoke English. Other wise he's a tough sell besides random good matches. He'd be fine since Penta and Fenix have been doing great with the language barrier, same with the girls like Shida and Riho over this year. They could always give him a manager or even a friend to get by those speaking issues, I mean RUSH and Lee have teamed together and in AEW's tag division could even do so again. AEW wants wrestlers to get over with their in ring work and if you can work with the best of em it goes a long way in their eyes, it's what got Sydal signed, Lee's another type of workhorse where people could see him and be like "Oh this is gonna be good, I need to see this" and tune in. Dragon Lee is also only 25 a completely worthwhile investment for AEW if they do it. Youth upside is definitely a plus for AEW when they look at talent to sign. I almost feel like Lucha Bros haven't been a top team in title picture since tv started because of language barrier. Which is why they put them with Pac and Eddie to build them up and talk for them. So they can maybe put them back in tag title scene at some point. While unfortunately language barrier has hurt development of woman's division. It's why Shida not on tv all the time and when she is. It's basically just to come out and wrestle. Same with Riho who never had any real feuds. There's reason why NWA title is overshadowing the AEW woman's title right now. Personally I think Shida talks English good enough to give her more opportunities. But they don't and clearly hurts telling stories in woman's division. But you are right at Dragon Lee age. Maybe they can sign him and work on his English with him. While he works on Dark and jobs in good matches on Dynamite. I know AEW fans care more about in-ring product. But if you notice the people who are on tv the most often are the ones who are strong talkers.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 24, 2020 1:09:24 GMT -5
He'd be fine since Penta and Fenix have been doing great with the language barrier, same with the girls like Shida and Riho over this year. They could always give him a manager or even a friend to get by those speaking issues, I mean RUSH and Lee have teamed together and in AEW's tag division could even do so again. AEW wants wrestlers to get over with their in ring work and if you can work with the best of em it goes a long way in their eyes, it's what got Sydal signed, Lee's another type of workhorse where people could see him and be like "Oh this is gonna be good, I need to see this" and tune in. Dragon Lee is also only 25 a completely worthwhile investment for AEW if they do it. Youth upside is definitely a plus for AEW when they look at talent to sign. I almost feel like Lucha Bros haven't been a top team in title picture since tv started because of language barrier. Which is why they put them with Pac and Eddie to build them up and talk for them. So they can maybe put them back in tag title scene at some point. While unfortunately language barrier has hurt development of woman's division. It's why Shida not on tv all the time and when she is. It's basically just to come out and wrestle. Same with Riho who never had any real feuds. There's reason why NWA title is overshadowing the AEW woman's title right now. Personally I think Shida talks English good enough to give her more opportunities. But they don't and clearly hurts telling stories in woman's division. But you are right at Dragon Lee age. Maybe they can sign him and work on his English with him. While he works on Dark and jobs in good matches on Dynamite. I know AEW fans care more about in-ring product. But if you notice the people who are on tv the most often are the ones who are strong talkers. Depends, Jungle Boy doesn't talk and has gotten strong looks, Fenix and Penta have proven the last few weeks they're over and draws. Butcher and Blade barely speak, and they've actively broken the million viewership mark with their big matches, Cage barely speaks but he's great, same with Hobbs, even Darby who more does theatrical vignettes. Dragon Lee could be fine, if signed. Yeah it helps to talk, but if you can convey your emotions well in ring, it'll get you somewhere. It's why he's won titles in multiple promotions and was almost in the top 50 of the world in 2019. That's a kind of prospect language barrier or not they'd definitely at least talk about if not give a "Five appearance" deal to see if he fits.
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Post by markymark on Nov 24, 2020 18:16:51 GMT -5
If Kurt has 1 more match in him, then he can help in AEW(if TK decides to bring him).
Angle(If he still has 1 match left in the tank) vs Omega can create buzz.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 24, 2020 18:28:16 GMT -5
If Kurt has 1 more match in him, then he can help in AEW(if TK decides to bring him). Angle(If he still has 1 match left in the tank) vs Omega can create buzz. That's probably the best shape Angle's been in, in a very long time. Idk if I ever wanna see him wrestle again, on the other hand, his last match being vs Baron Corbin sucks so I also wouldn't entirely be against it especially against a Kenny Omega...
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Nov 24, 2020 18:33:34 GMT -5
Being in great shape is one thing, moving is another. Kurt looked terrible the last few years.
It absolutely sucks what wwe did by not only sticking him with Corbin but also losing to the dude in such an anticlimactic moment. I really don't think I wanna see one more match from Kurt as sad as it is to say.
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