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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 1:39:30 GMT -5
The subject came up in a conversation with a friend who's a non-fan and it pretty much immediately turned into me ranting and raving about how much that show absolutely sucked and how badly the fans at the retro set got ripped off. Naturally I had to make a thread here for people to do the same because nearly three years later I am still in awe that that was the best effort they could manage after how much they hyped that show and after how awesome that opening recap was.
I could ask a million questions but for now I'll settle for one. The hell was with the bits where they just randomly called people out on stage for no reason?
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Post by SirLucas on Dec 10, 2020 1:44:36 GMT -5
All I remember was that fans overpaid to get a limited show at the Manhattan center.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 10, 2020 1:45:59 GMT -5
I appreciate you as a poster, but holy shit dude, we're already dealing with a lot right now. Haven't we all suffered enough this week?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 10, 2020 1:52:21 GMT -5
RAW 25 was a giant middle finger to any fans who gave a shit, frankly. WWE really showed how much they don't get it anymore by putting on that level of a "LOOK HOW COOL WE USED TO BE BUT AREN'T ANYMORE" level of a shitshow
The Austin/McMahon part is the only good part of this show, and it by no means could save it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 1:53:15 GMT -5
All I remember was that fans overpaid to get a limited show at the Manhattan center. The only televised matches they actually got were Bray Wyatt squashing Matt Hardy and a two minute Gallows & Anderson / Revival match. Yeeeeah.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 10, 2020 2:20:39 GMT -5
I remember at the time a few of us in the live thread having a great old laugh at the gimmick fans all being at the most expensive and worst of the two awful shows
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Post by mattyy on Dec 10, 2020 2:35:17 GMT -5
RAW 25 was when my WWE Fandom kinda took a downward spiral. Honestly, up until that show, I was still watching RAW and NXT every week, watching 205, SmackDown and Main Event when I could.. but the show was just so terribly put together in comparison to RAW 15 or even RAW 1000. I went to WrestleMania and RAW After that year, but honestly haven't been to a WWE show since, and honestly I feel like I've not really missed anything.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 10, 2020 3:20:38 GMT -5
Didn’t they hustle Miz or someone over there to attempt to keep the crowd from going insane?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 10, 2020 4:13:11 GMT -5
There was also some manner of legend segment thing where they had special guest Jimmy Fallon on-hand to do segments with a ton of old timers. Then Vince scrapped all that, Fallon fell into the void, and instead they simply had segments of people standing on the stage being announced by their names for the audience to cheer. It was a disaster that only modern WWE could put on. A spectacle that is somehow overexecuted with ideas and pageantry while also being undercooked and impotent.
One of the things that comes up sometimes but not super often in talk about WWE's ratings is the nostalgia pop show. Milestone episodes, anniversaries, special gimmick shows loaded with legends and promising to be an event. These typically pop ratings high above anything WWE pulls off otherwise, even bringing in a big name part-timer--though the big name part-timer is usually there too--and it should, in theory, be a good way to bring attention on and maybe, if they're lucky, even pull some lapsed fans back in with an enjoyable show. In recent years, these shows have brought in shrinking returns and much less interest, and when you pull off a stinker like Raw 25, it doesn't even leave room for people to want to tune back in, which spoils the point of these shows. Raw 25 was a grease fire that had to change course hard to avoid being a borderline scam to a bunch of ticket buyers, and it was just about the sharpest fan disservice they could have put on. What should have been a triumph of everything great about WWE became a case study in everything holding it back
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Post by eJm on Dec 10, 2020 6:23:55 GMT -5
There was also some manner of legend segment thing where they had special guest Jimmy Fallon on-hand to do segments with a ton of old timers. Then Vince scrapped all that, Fallon fell into the void, and instead they simply had segments of people standing on the stage being announced by their names for the audience to cheer. The story behind that was apparently Fallon was late, thus the change of plan and thus Elias burying him when he was doing his segment which, like, is kind of like the pot burying the kettle for being black. I'd go on record and say it was one of the more public embarrassments in company history. Just because of how incompetent and slapdash it all seemed for a show that they had been hyping up for literal months. This wasn't a last minute thing USA wanted because of falling ratings, this was something promoted continuously on television, online, everywhere. They were on Fallon the week before, for Pete sake. There's also no excuse for shortchanging the Manhattan Centre fans like that. Yes, they paid a lot of money, but how were they to know they were barely going to get a show? That's not on them. The worst thing about it was that, yes, they gained a big audience from it, but they also lost pretty much that exact audience the next week. So if you did Raw from the week before, didn't do a show and then did a show the week after, you'd literally have the same people watching as the first week. It might as well not have happened.
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Post by H-Virus on Dec 10, 2020 7:16:12 GMT -5
I said it at the time and I’ll say it again now: a show meant to celebrate 25 years made me wonder how they even managed to survive that long in the first place. It was the worst episode of Raw I could ever remember watching, and that includes the Rock’s Birthday episode.
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Post by msc on Dec 10, 2020 7:28:21 GMT -5
I have no memories of it at all!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 7:55:36 GMT -5
Opening segment was great, however Austin's insane pop seemed to silence the crowd for the rest of the show. And WWE delivered with a show that didn't deliver many if any pop worthy moments. (Though people I think were happy Roman lost to Miz?)
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 10, 2020 9:22:39 GMT -5
I still maintain Austin should have chased McMahon to the Manhattan Centre and stunnered him.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 10, 2020 9:26:45 GMT -5
It was one of the biggest unforced errors in recent memory. You know you're going to have a giant audience and you do almost nothing with it. When you had RAW 1000, you started the Punk turn and the first seed of the Rock feud. Even if you didn't like it, they tried to hook you for the next few weeks. Here, it was just nothing.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Dec 10, 2020 10:28:53 GMT -5
I remember at the time a few of us in the live thread having a great old laugh at the gimmick fans all being at the most expensive and worst of the two awful shows Agreed, the "Brock Lesnar" guy was one who was screwed over. That alone makes me happy.
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Post by dbrussel on Dec 10, 2020 13:09:20 GMT -5
The best part of this show for me was.....when it ended.
Reading some people on social media saying "The Revival are NOT buried!!! Wait and see people!!" was so much fun.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 13:13:10 GMT -5
The whole show should've been in the Manhattan Centre.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 13:21:04 GMT -5
The whole show should've been in the Manhattan Centre. Agreed, I loved how much more intimate the Manhattan Center was.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 10, 2020 13:29:54 GMT -5
I was there live at Barclays, and my buddies and I had a few beers before the show. We totally lost our shit when Austin came out and stunned the McMahon's one last time. Then, the rest of the show happened. We were drunk and bored. Not a great combination.
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