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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 10, 2020 18:43:24 GMT -5
in two weeks on AEW, Sting has already come off as more charismatic than he did while in WWE.
I am guessing, he is one of those guys who is more charismatic when everything is not being written for him, which also leads me to think. How many more wrestlers are like that?
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Post by Aceorton on Dec 10, 2020 19:07:10 GMT -5
I'd say probably most of them, even the ones who can make scripted promos work. It's almost always going to be more lively and real if it's coming from the person's own brain.
Imagine someone like Austin, Randy Savage or Bobby Heenan trying to get over in the fully scripted era.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 10, 2020 19:51:49 GMT -5
I’m also curious who’d be waaaay more ass if they weren’t scripted, lol. That Aron Rex flow
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Post by Starshine on Dec 10, 2020 20:04:37 GMT -5
Vince McMahon has no idea how to use most people.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 10, 2020 20:07:31 GMT -5
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this. Maybe the booking wasn't perfect, but I prefer the way Sting was introduced in WWE than his first words being "Wait, Tony, are you kidding me?" WWE captured the mystique of Sting. Sure, Sting being on TNT, being with Arn, Tony, Cody, it's all a feel good moment, but past the entrance, there's just no mystique.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 20:30:15 GMT -5
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this. Maybe the booking wasn't perfect, but I prefer the way Sting was introduced in WWE than his first words being "Wait, Tony, are you kidding me?" WWE captured the mystique of Sting. Sure, Sting being on TNT, being with Arn, Tony, Cody, it's all a feel good moment, but past the entrance, there's just no mystique. Yeah, putting recency bias aside, Sting probably had what, less than 10 WWE appearances but most of them were great. He got like a six minute sustained ovation for his debut at Survivor Series. His Raw debut when he helped Team Cena get their jobs back. When the lights went out and he saved Orton. Outsmarting HHH at Fastlane by countering the sledgehammer with the bat. Jumping out of the statue and attacking Rollins. Teaming with Cena and winning his first and only Raw match. Headlining the Hall of Fame. He looked like a badass and came out on top of every segment he had except his two pay-per-view matches which I had no problem with. Sorry, but if you're a 57 year old part-timer there's no scenario in which you should be winning marquee matches whether you're Sting/Goldberg/Undertaker or whoever else. |
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 10, 2020 20:34:25 GMT -5
Really the only negative I have about Sting's WWE run was the WM match itself. The build was great though, and the build and match with Seth was greasy, too, injury notwithstanding.
Also the music. So two negatives.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Dec 10, 2020 20:40:21 GMT -5
Nah that's just a photo of Sting
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Post by Nickybojelais on Dec 10, 2020 20:41:22 GMT -5
Vince McMahon has no idea how to use most people. Yep. Legion of Doom, Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, the NWO, the entire WCW roster during a once in a lifetime Invasion angle..the list goes on. And on Cornette's podcast this week he was saying how Vince didn't care about Austin or Foley because he was more obsessed with Marc Mero.  I believe less and less that Vince is a genius and more that he is lucky and has simply good contacts. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 21:40:20 GMT -5
Vince ruins everything.
People call him a genius but its far from the truth.
Stone Cold and The Rock landed on his lap and saved his ass during the Monday Night Wars.
Without their superstar charisma, he would've been shut down by 1998.
The likes of Cena would've been much, much better character wise without him too.
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Post by britishbulldog on Dec 10, 2020 21:53:14 GMT -5
Vince ruins everything. People call him a genius but its far from the truth. Stone Cold and The Rock landed on his lap and saved his ass during the Monday Night Wars. Without their superstar charisma, he would've been shut down by 1998. The likes of Cena would've been much, much better character wise without him too. With Austin you dismiss the fact that he was a mid carder at best until getting with Vince. Rock was going to be successful regardless |
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 10, 2020 22:28:13 GMT -5
Vince McMahon has no idea how to use most people. Yep. Legion of Doom, Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, the NWO, the entire WCW roster during a once in a lifetime Invasion angle..the list goes on. And on Cornette's podcast this week he was saying how Vince didn't care about Austin or Foley because he was more obsessed with Marc Mero. I believe less and less that Vince is a genius and more that he is lucky and has simply good contacts. Um, ixnay on the Ornettcay... LOD did all right for PG Road Warriors. Well until Rocco and until the Attitude Era. Rhodes was a silly midcarder but rarely lost until after SummerSlam 90. Flair was allowed to be Flair, mostly. Still, look at the common bond here and you'll realize why he misused Sting, or to be accurate, not so much as not knowing how as NOT WANTING TO USE HIM. |
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Post by Legion on Dec 11, 2020 3:29:19 GMT -5
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this. Maybe the booking wasn't perfect, but I prefer the way Sting was introduced in WWE than his first words being "Wait, Tony, are you kidding me?" WWE captured the mystique of Sting. Sure, Sting being on TNT, being with Arn, Tony, Cody, it's all a feel good moment, but past the entrance, there's just no mystique. Yeah, putting recency bias aside, Sting probably had what, less than 10 WWE appearances but most of them were great. He got like a six minute sustained ovation for his debut at Survivor Series. His Raw debut when he helped Team Cena get their jobs back. When the lights went out and he saved Orton. Outsmarting HHH at Fastlane by countering the sledgehammer with the bat. Jumping out of the statue and attacking Rollins. Teaming with Cena and winning his first and only Raw match. Headlining the Hall of Fame. He looked like a badass and came out on top of every segment he had except his two pay-per-view matches which I had no problem with. Sorry, but if you're a 57 year old part-timer there's no scenario in which you should be winning marquee matches whether you're Sting/Goldberg/Undertaker or whoever else. Pretty much this. plus adding Sting was old and broken and is now older and more broken. There was/is only so much you CAN do |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 11, 2020 7:03:53 GMT -5
Sting in the WWE demonstrates why he was right to turn them down for all those years.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 11, 2020 7:07:49 GMT -5
Sting in the WWE demonstrates why he was right to turn them down for all those years. Eh. Big difference between bringing him in when they did vs 10-15 years earlier when he had a lot more left in the tank |
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 11, 2020 8:24:31 GMT -5
I believe less and less that Vince is a genius and more that he is lucky and has simply good contacts. Bingo. This idea that he's a genius is McMahon blowing smoke up his own arse with documentary talking heads, basically all of his success is because he was in the right place at the right time and he got the breaks. He's no different to most vastly wealthy businessmen in that respect, really. |
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Post by fw91 on Dec 11, 2020 9:18:25 GMT -5
In Vince’s defense he was probably too nervous to do anything with him. I’d be to if the threat of sending an S.O.S to the World was constantly looming over my head. I’m sure Sting also threatened to get The Police involved if Vince bothered him too much.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 10:42:45 GMT -5
Vince ruins everything. People call him a genius but its far from the truth. Stone Cold and The Rock landed on his lap and saved his ass during the Monday Night Wars. Without their superstar charisma, he would've been shut down by 1998. The likes of Cena would've been much, much better character wise without him too. With Austin you dismiss the fact that he was a mid carder at best until getting with Vince. Rock was going to be successful regardless The fans forced Austin into that spot I don't know who created the Stone Cold character but I'm willing to bet it was one of the writers and not Vince. He was edgy in ECW so when he became The Ringmaster, a serious technical wrestler... Absolutely nobody bought it. No doubt Vince thought it would be a great gimmick though. |
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Post by britishbulldog on Dec 11, 2020 12:55:57 GMT -5
I believe less and less that Vince is a genius and more that he is lucky and has simply good contacts. Bingo. This idea that he's a genius is McMahon blowing smoke up his own arse with documentary talking heads, basically all of his success is because he was in the right place at the right time and he got the breaks. He's no different to most vastly wealthy businessmen in that respect, really. So his vision wasn’t genius, getting the right people to help out things in place, deciding on Hogan, knowing to get pop culture involved, learning his methods weren’t working in the 90s and switching gears taking peoples advice and going all in isn’t genius? Maybe not the creative genius but business wise he is a rare type of person to take something successful in a small scale and turn it into a world wide empire. |
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