Fundertaker
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 14, 2020 18:37:16 GMT -5
Sorry, what I mean is that if you're going to be stringent enough to not include 'Paul Heyman,' who has done good work as a booker at various points in ECW's run but not always good, but include him in '94-97, then you can't really justifiably include anybody, because even the great shows we remember are often trimmed with garbage or bad decisions or tragedies. I think even more than being a wrestler, being a consistently great booker is pretty much impossible. Like, the joke I was going to make was put Chris Kreski up there for his one year's worth of absolute gold (if we were including writers) except there was some bullshit mixed in with that as well. By that metric, no one is ever elligible in any circunstance since no one has a perfect record.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 14, 2020 18:44:36 GMT -5
Sorry, what I mean is that if you're going to be stringent enough to not include 'Paul Heyman,' who has done good work as a booker at various points in ECW's run but not always good, but include him in '94-97, then you can't really justifiably include anybody, because even the great shows we remember are often trimmed with garbage or bad decisions or tragedies. I think even more than being a wrestler, being a consistently great booker is pretty much impossible. Like, the joke I was going to make was put Chris Kreski up there for his one year's worth of absolute gold (if we were including writers) except there was some bullshit mixed in with that as well. By that metric, no one is ever elligible in any circunstance since no one has a perfect record. Yes, friend, that's my point! I would put Heyman on that mountain, because of the innovative work that he did do in ECW, generally. I wouldn't put Vince on there, because his genius is more in promotion than booking an as the owner of the promotion he wasn't really 'booker' anyway. I think when you're talking about booking, you need to talk about the peaks, rather than the troughs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 18:50:54 GMT -5
By that metric, no one is ever elligible in any circunstance since no one has a perfect record. Yes, friend, that's my point! I would put Heyman on that mountain, because of the innovative work that he did do in ECW, generally. I wouldn't put Vince on there, because his genius is more in promotion than booking an as the owner of the promotion he wasn't really 'booker' anyway. I think when you're talking about booking, you need to talk about the peaks, rather than the troughs. That's a fair point and I see where you're coming from. Personally, i find it more interesting for it to reflect those high points and focus on those. The George Scott example is great. It becomes an exercise in balance rather than focusing on success. That said, totally fair argument and well made.
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Fundertaker
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 15, 2020 7:21:55 GMT -5
By that metric, no one is ever elligible in any circunstance since no one has a perfect record. Yes, friend, that's my point! I would put Heyman on that mountain, because of the innovative work that he did do in ECW, generally. I wouldn't put Vince on there, because his genius is more in promotion than booking an as the owner of the promotion he wasn't really 'booker' anyway. I think when you're talking about booking, you need to talk about the peaks, rather than the troughs. So it's either perfection or how good the good stuff was nevermind the bad then? Cause Giant Baba then has his spot secured.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 15, 2020 8:26:56 GMT -5
Yes, friend, that's my point! I would put Heyman on that mountain, because of the innovative work that he did do in ECW, generally. I wouldn't put Vince on there, because his genius is more in promotion than booking an as the owner of the promotion he wasn't really 'booker' anyway. I think when you're talking about booking, you need to talk about the peaks, rather than the troughs. So it's either perfection or how good the good stuff was nevermind the bad then? Cause Giant Baba then has his spot secured. Obviously the balance is still a factor. But this is part of why I was against highlighting bookers for specific runs, because then really you are highlighting the run and the resources they had rather than the booker. But also this is just a fun discussion people can choose favourite bookers however they want.
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Dec 15, 2020 19:10:13 GMT -5
You'd have to specifically be looking at bookers, not writers. So, no Russo from the Attitude Era or Heyman from the Smackdown Six Era. Whether Heyman was handling creative for ECW in 1994 or doing Smackdown years later, he was doing the same job. Call it booking, call it writing, he's the same guy with the same creative tasks. Just because the WWE decided to replace wrestling terminology with television terminology didn't change the job. I disagree. The advent of writers also started the practice of scripted promos, as opposed to ad-libbing off of guidelines. So writing and booking are absolutely two different things.
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Dec 18, 2020 5:08:20 GMT -5
it should just be a statue of Don Owen and then a plaque that reads "no one else apart from Don Owen was a decent human being."
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Post by Squirrel Master on Dec 20, 2020 11:48:39 GMT -5
Kevin Sullivan, because “I RESPECT YOU BOOKER MAN!”
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