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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 20, 2020 20:00:59 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff on his podcast keeps bragging about the Aces and 8's angle, but the problem is, it was the r angle where TNA's ratings just started to tank. Perhaps he was unaware TNA had done the same basic angle about 20 times before he arrived.
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Post by mattyy on Dec 20, 2020 21:01:25 GMT -5
The CHIKARA Shutdown Angle buried the company dead in my opinion. They were on fire in 2012 and 2013. They were projected to grow even more, but because of the "shutdown", and splintering into like eight small local companies, you kill the momentum dead in their tracks. While they came back and had an amazing 2014, the split with Smart Mark and just working out of the new Factory just made the company feel so small and low rent.
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Post by Venti on Dec 20, 2020 21:06:08 GMT -5
The Austin Heel turn and the Invasion angle I think were like a one-two punch that killed a lot of WWF's popularity.
I don’t know what the actual numbers were in terms of ratings directly after, but for the long term effects the Finger Poke of Doom has to be up there for hurting WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 21:21:58 GMT -5
Sgt Slaughter in 90/91. I was 6-7 years old at the time and a diehard WWF fan, and even I changed the channel when Slaughter showed up. His main event run was a bad period for the company, and you can instantly tell that it wasn't the 80s Hulkamania Era anymore. Insane that they tried to get 100k in attendance with him as the top heel.
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Post by J. Hova on Dec 20, 2020 22:06:35 GMT -5
All mentioned so far are good ones, I'll go old school or older school...
Fritz heart attack angle in WCCW. Retrospectively, they've tried to say he never was supposed to be sold like a heart attack but boy was it sure implied.
Black Scorpion angle in WCW, just horrid booking.
HBK/Diana Smith adultery angle in WWF. I know the backstory is that Bulldog and Diana were all for it and then weren't when they got heat from the family, but it was just a stupid storyline.
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 20, 2020 22:13:39 GMT -5
Well, I mean, I can't exactly imagine how the Kane/Katie Vick angle or the Kane/Lita angle could earn any higher viewership.  |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 20, 2020 22:16:19 GMT -5
The Austin Heel turn and the Invasion angle I think were like a one-two punch that killed a lot of WWF's popularity. I don’t know what the actual numbers were in terms of ratings directly after, but for the long term effects the Finger Poke of Doom has to be up there for hurting WCW. 1. The Austin turn definitely did a number on them. The Invasion led to an initial spike but then dropped after the first PPV. You could argue that was also caused by the 2nd Austin heel turn of the year when he joined the Alliance. 2. And that's an odd one. The floor basically fell out for WCW ratings wise in late April/early May and never recovered. The Finger Poke probably started the decline in a way but it seems like the lack of follow up is what really doomed them. Goldberg never really got revenge in the way he should have against Hogan. Flair going for the title did some business but then went heel randomly. The nWo angle just fell apart. By early May, it was basically just like it was before the nWo just with a longer show, worse booking, and older stars. |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 20, 2020 22:44:32 GMT -5
Wasn't Bischoff out of the company by the time Aces and Eights happened?
The Fingerpoke of Doom and David Arquette as WCW Champion can both be held responsible for killing any credibility WCW had left.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 20, 2020 23:20:24 GMT -5
Interim GM Baron Corbin, which killed Raw’s ratings so much, they ended up blaming Corbin (in kayfabe) for it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 20, 2020 23:35:04 GMT -5
Interim GM Baron Corbin, which killed Raw’s ratings so much, they ended up blaming Corbin (in kayfabe) for it. and there on camera way of "punishing" him was... EVEN MORE BARON CORBIN! |
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Post by dynamitekidd on Dec 21, 2020 3:59:19 GMT -5
The best ones have been said...the finger poke of doom followed up with, well followed up with a bunch of nothing tbh. And the Stone Cold heel turn followed up by the Invasion. Both of those were big time drops for both companies. Seems like a bunch of people tuned out during Triple H's reign of terror right after that as well.
For an old school one, the Jim Herd days of WCW in the early 90s. They were really great and on fire up until that point, then he took over and set them back years, the dark days.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 21, 2020 6:01:34 GMT -5
The Austin Heel turn and the Invasion angle I think were like a one-two punch that killed a lot of WWF's popularity. I don’t know what the actual numbers were in terms of ratings directly after, but for the long term effects the Finger Poke of Doom has to be up there for hurting WCW. Yeah there was a thread about WCW posting all the stuff from the Observer, including the Invasion, and wow the drop in ratings after Wrestlemania X7 was unbelievable. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 21, 2020 6:17:41 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff on his podcast keeps bragging about the Aces and 8's angle, but the problem is, it was the r angle where TNA's ratings just started to tank. Perhaps he was unaware TNA had done the same basic angle about 20 times before he arrived. That not the only problem. Aces and 8s had the WORST line up of a stable you could have. ME stable and your introduction went Wes Briscoe who was terrible. Garrett Bischoff again Terrible. Then it was Mike Knox who was ok at best but we seen where his career went. Then Luke Gallows (The only good one for a while) Than you so call leader for the first have of the run was D-Von Dudley. Later you finally add in Bully Ray and Mr Anderson to have a little bit of correctability but it took MONTHS before that happened. Than you had had D'lo for some reason and Taz. It wasn't really a great group of guys you should take a serious threats. |
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Post by Rave on Dec 21, 2020 6:24:56 GMT -5
The CHIKARA Shutdown Angle buried the company dead in my opinion. They were on fire in 2012 and 2013. They were projected to grow even more, but because of the "shutdown", and splintering into like eight small local companies, you kill the momentum dead in their tracks. While they came back and had an amazing 2014, the split with Smart Mark and just working out of the new Factory just made the company feel so small and low rent. I've written so much about this storyline that it's ridiculous, I was on the virtual front lines for pretty much all of it, and even I think more could've been done with it, at least to further include people who couldn't physically be there. The fan brigade bent over backwards to help get people involved and to document everything, but there was only so much we could do on that side of things. I am still quite salty that we weren't allowed to crack the Titor login. FFS, don't put that stuff on there if you don't want people to have a go at it! |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 21, 2020 9:25:48 GMT -5
The Austin Heel turn and the Invasion angle I think were like a one-two punch that killed a lot of WWF's popularity. I don’t know what the actual numbers were in terms of ratings directly after, but for the long term effects the Finger Poke of Doom has to be up there for hurting WCW. When I think about the finger poke I wonder how much of it was the finger poke itself and not "We just tossed away our big new babyface's streak and momentum with a f***ing taser from another baby face who didn't need the win the night before". |
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 21, 2020 9:57:59 GMT -5
I remember a podcast that called the faction the Aces and 0.8's. All mentioned so far are good ones, I'll go old school or older school... Fritz heart attack angle in WCCW. Retrospectively, they've tried to say he never was supposed to be sold like a heart attack but boy was it sure implied. Black Scorpion angle in WCW, just horrid booking. HBK/Diana Smith adultery angle in WWF. I know the backstory is that Bulldog and Diana were all for it and then weren't when they got heat from the family, but it was just a stupid storyline. JCP/UWF, the original inVasion? Though, not so much as an angle as Dusty pushing his crew in both territories before they folded. Actually, I was trying to think about this for the AWA and GWF, for instance, but those were more like talent leaving/money being lost than one angle. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 21, 2020 10:07:18 GMT -5
I still think that things wouldn't have fallen off a cliff so quickly for WCW if Goldberg just went on to beat Nash/Hogan at back to back PPVs to star 1999 off. Yes, the streak being over was a big blow. But he was still getting big pops everywhere.
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 21, 2020 10:11:59 GMT -5
Well, I mean, I can't exactly imagine how the Kane/Katie Vick angle or the Kane/Lita angle could earn any higher viewership. I stopped watching completely after the Katie Vick funeral scene. I can watch some disturbing shows, I like crime scene dramas and action movies but that scene was way too sick. If it had been a low level wrestler who felt he had no choice but to play the role I might have considered different but it was a guy who can pick and choose any storyline he does or doesn't want to do but he is fine doing that angle. Bret Hart was absolutely right when he called him a degenerate. |
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 21, 2020 10:37:58 GMT -5
Another one here for the Fingerpoke of Doom. This just summed up everything rotten about WCW's booking in 1998/99 and going forward from there. It killed the only bonafide breakout star WCW in Goldberg by making him look like a f***ing idiot and never getting proper retribution and trashing a streak they'd put eighteen months building up, it killed the Wolfpac vs. Hollywood angle they had spent nine months working on, and for what? So Nash and Hogan could have all the focus on themselves again at the expense of continuity and the long-term health of the company. You'd have thought they would have learned from torpedoing the Sting angle a year earlier to placate Hogan's ego, but no.
I know Nash is sort of liked now because he's a funny guy in shoot interviews, but he's still complicit in destroying WCW because of his and his mates' self importance.
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Post by ianriccaboni on Dec 21, 2020 11:24:59 GMT -5
Black Scorpion angle in WCW, just horrid booking. Hate this in retrospect but this drew one of the largest television wrestling audiences in cable history and had they blew it off at the Clash XII and cut their losses this could have been an all-time ratings winner. Wrapped it up, moved on, and did something different at Starrcade and wow. Source: oswreview.com/history/wcw-clash-tv-ratings/ |
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