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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 22, 2020 7:35:59 GMT -5
No one going for the obvious joke and say Kurt Angle Directly Hurt...? I guess you could say him getting butthurt over his ex-wife hooking up with Jeff Jarrett (which happened AFTER Kurt and Karen broke up) directly harmed TNA by removing Jeff Jarrett's mitigating influence on Dumbass Dixie.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 22, 2020 9:57:08 GMT -5
No one going for the obvious joke and say Kurt Angle Directly Hurt...? I guess you could say him getting butthurt over his ex-wife hooking up with Jeff Jarrett (which happened AFTER Kurt and Karen broke up) directly harmed TNA by removing Jeff Jarrett's mitigating influence on Dumbass Dixie. Which is extra baffling because despite them pulling him from power, they still ran so many months of Kurt vs. Jeff and had segments with him taking Kurt's kids to theme parks and shit. I think it was Russo who kept pushing the angle, but in the end it made things worse and definitly came during the worst-as-of-then years of Dixie getting in her head what running the company could do for her.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 22, 2020 10:09:16 GMT -5
The night after Survivor series 2001 did massive long term damage that the company never recovered from
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 22, 2020 22:10:52 GMT -5
The night after Survivor series 2001 did massive long term damage that the company never recovered from I was going to post that. I even did a thread on it explaining why.... officialfan.proboards.com/thread/598194/november-19-2001-episode-rawI feel this one show alone caused more damage to the company than anything that happened during that Invasion mess. Things were starting to change with the company, and then all of a sudden the company pushed the reset button. It's like they were saying "see we're still the same WWF!......please come back."
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 23, 2020 18:02:15 GMT -5
No one going for the obvious joke and say Kurt Angle Directly Hurt...? I guess you could say him getting butthurt over his ex-wife hooking up with Jeff Jarrett (which happened AFTER Kurt and Karen broke up) directly harmed TNA by removing Jeff Jarrett's mitigating influence on Dumbass Dixie. Think we're giving Jarrett too much credit if his stint in charge prior to Dixie anc during the early days of the Anthem era are anything to go by... Oh, and the whole Global Force thing.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 24, 2020 18:04:07 GMT -5
No one going for the obvious joke and say Kurt Angle Directly Hurt...? Kurt Angle appeared in ECW one time, just a month or so after winning the gold in Atlanta. They wanted to bring him in to work with Taz...then Raven crucified the Sandman and Angle walked out the door after demanding his interview not be shown on TV. And they couldn't even show the crucifixion on TV after the live crowd revolted against it, so that was an angle and Angle that hurt a company.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 24, 2020 19:00:02 GMT -5
Speaking of Chikara... I can't imagine the "SECRET SEASON" did much good for the company... considering several things were spoiled by it airing concurrently with a current season and did things like Spoil an Ultramantis Black title win. The concept of a bingeable season was sound, it was the execution that was awful. When you think "bingeable", you think whole seasons at once, not staggered chunks. Segments were clearly aired out of order, that contributed to their big new face group failing out the gate. Mantis' title reign was utterly wasted. Keeping track of points was a nightmare. The Challenge of the Immortals was another one. Just messy. Yeah, stopped watching so I could watch in chronolgical order when the forgotten season was all out.... ....then just forgot to start watching again because I was too busy binging Lucha Underground.
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Post by Rave on Dec 24, 2020 19:22:32 GMT -5
The concept of a bingeable season was sound, it was the execution that was awful. When you think "bingeable", you think whole seasons at once, not staggered chunks. Segments were clearly aired out of order, that contributed to their big new face group failing out the gate. Mantis' title reign was utterly wasted. Keeping track of points was a nightmare. The Challenge of the Immortals was another one. Just messy. Yeah, stopped watching so I could watch in chronolgical order when the forgotten season was all out.... ....then just forgot to start watching again because I was too busy binging Lucha Underground. You made the right choice. Season 18 wasn't great to begin with, and having to wait for the entirety of 17 just to make sense of everything and track points made it worse.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 24, 2020 22:04:27 GMT -5
The CHIKARA Shutdown Angle buried the company dead in my opinion. They were on fire in 2012 and 2013. They were projected to grow even more, but because of the "shutdown", and splintering into like eight small local companies, you kill the momentum dead in their tracks. While they came back and had an amazing 2014, the split with Smart Mark and just working out of the new Factory just made the company feel so small and low rent. I was actually intrigued with the Shutdown Angle. It was something that hadn't been done before (to my knowledge), and was an interesting concept. And then sprinkling in the enemies of Chikara's Past returning, trying to finally kill the company they wanted to take over. And the Ashes of Chikara storyline was kinda fun, as was the movie. Although, I think they could've continued Chikara, and had The Flood make prophetic threats during 2013, having Titor slowly devolve into The Flood, or something of that nature. I also remember the rumors of the legal issues behind the scenes in 2013, but like others said, nothing has been really confirmed by it. Hopefully, someone who was in the company at the time will speak out about it in the near future. Speaking of Chikara... I can't imagine the "SECRET SEASON" did much good for the company... considering several things were spoiled by it airing concurrently with a current season and did things like Spoil an Ultramantis Black title win. The concept of a bingeable season was sound, it was the execution that was awful. When you think "bingeable", you think whole seasons at once, not staggered chunks. Segments were clearly aired out of order, that contributed to their big new face group failing out the gate. Mantis' title reign was utterly wasted. Keeping track of points was a nightmare. The Challenge of the Immortals was another one. Just messy. The Challenge of the Immortals was an interesting idea. But it was poorly executed. I felt like they had too many matches for the number of teams, and should've had some sort of standings that were updated, so we knew who was where. One thing I felt hurt Chikara as well was having Juan Francisco de Coronado as the 2nd longest reigning Grand Champion in Chikara history. He felt so boring to me, and I never felt he was champion material. If they wanted a long reigning rudo champion, there had to be better rudos at that time.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Dec 25, 2020 10:06:59 GMT -5
The CHIKARA Shutdown Angle buried the company dead in my opinion. They were on fire in 2012 and 2013. They were projected to grow even more, but because of the "shutdown", and splintering into like eight small local companies, you kill the momentum dead in their tracks. While they came back and had an amazing 2014, the split with Smart Mark and just working out of the new Factory just made the company feel so small and low rent. Wasn't that angle forced by Quack having an affair and his wife divorcing him to avoid losing half of Chikara?
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Post by mattyy on Dec 25, 2020 15:39:20 GMT -5
The CHIKARA Shutdown Angle buried the company dead in my opinion. They were on fire in 2012 and 2013. They were projected to grow even more, but because of the "shutdown", and splintering into like eight small local companies, you kill the momentum dead in their tracks. While they came back and had an amazing 2014, the split with Smart Mark and just working out of the new Factory just made the company feel so small and low rent. Wasn't that angle forced by Quack having an affair and his wife divorcing him to avoid losing half of Chikara? No, that's just what NotEquinox said on /wooo/. The seeds for the shutdown were planted in late 2010.
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Post by ppl591 on Dec 25, 2020 19:58:58 GMT -5
HHH reign of terror 2003. He had no reason to retain the belt in the EC at Summerslam 2003 when he was already injured and bloated (the bike shorts!), and killed the Goldberg momentum stone dead. I'm referencing this example as it was the reason I said 'nope' to the company and stopped watchimg for nearly a decade and I can't imagine I was the only one. How good does Goldberg end up looking if they just let him paste through the match like he did and then actually win it? He becomes an actual problem that Evolution doesn't know how to deal with for the first time in a while, making things actually interesting. Hell, maybe they can have a trial run on Batista by having that same comeback angle then having those 2 being a PPV match? They could still have Goldberg lose the belt the same way and be in the hunt like he was, but he doesn't have the stink of a super short reign on him. I still think Goldberg should've won at summerslam. Let triple h heal and put the bounty. Do some kind of tournament wom by Shawn michaels and replace triple h vs Goldberg at unforgiven with Goldberg vs Michaels. Could've even played up the bounty and Michaels past with triple h. I feel that would've made good television
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 20:16:50 GMT -5
ECW champion Chavo entering the Rumble. That was the moment WWE said this brand doesn’t matter.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 30, 2020 9:20:57 GMT -5
The ratings literally went down the night the nWo dismantled the Nitro set and took over. It took all night to do it and people were turning over to Raw.
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Post by the2ndevil on Dec 30, 2020 14:38:13 GMT -5
HHH reign of terror 2003. He had no reason to retain the belt in the EC at Summerslam 2003 when he was already injured and bloated (the bike shorts!), and killed the Goldberg momentum stone dead. I'm referencing this example as it was the reason I said 'nope' to the company and stopped watchimg for nearly a decade and I can't imagine I was the only one. I bought the Unforgiven 2003 DVD specifically because I knew he lost the title on that show.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 30, 2020 15:12:38 GMT -5
The ratings literally went down the night the nWo dismantled the Nitro set and took over. It took all night to do it and people were turning over to Raw. That segment lasted like 40 min. They could have accomplished the same thing inside of 9 minutes. I remember being interested, but then getting bored on minute 17 of them doing the same thing over and over again
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 30, 2020 15:13:45 GMT -5
HHH reign of terror 2003. He had no reason to retain the belt in the EC at Summerslam 2003 when he was already injured and bloated (the bike shorts!), and killed the Goldberg momentum stone dead. I'm referencing this example as it was the reason I said 'nope' to the company and stopped watchimg for nearly a decade and I can't imagine I was the only one. I bought the Unforgiven 2003 DVD specifically because I knew he lost the title on that show. Punishing Goldberg for a month was a bigger priority than sending the fans home happy
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 31, 2020 12:14:17 GMT -5
I guess you could say him getting butthurt over his ex-wife hooking up with Jeff Jarrett (which happened AFTER Kurt and Karen broke up) directly harmed TNA by removing Jeff Jarrett's mitigating influence on Dumbass Dixie. Which is extra baffling because despite them pulling him from power, they still ran so many months of Kurt vs. Jeff and had segments with him taking Kurt's kids to theme parks and shit. I think it was Russo who kept pushing the angle, but in the end it made things worse and definitly came during the worst-as-of-then years of Dixie getting in her head what running the company could do for her. In fairness those angles were done a couple years after the initial issue happened. As for Chikara yeah it's never been confirmed but the rumors were always that Quack's ex owned the name
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 31, 2020 12:54:21 GMT -5
WCCW after David's death and the big show at the Texas Stadium: Take your pick. Lance von Erich, anything to do with Mike after his recovery, Fritz's heart attack, Kerry's "blink it and you miss it" NWA World title reign (even if that was more NWA being NWA but still), Black Bart as main champion, etc.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 31, 2020 22:44:31 GMT -5
Why didn't Quack and company just make it clear the Wrestling Is companies WERE Chikara until the shutdown was over? Chikara never even went away; it was set up really well to have their cake and eat it too, by continuing to run shows and STILL have your big Chikara return. Why didn't they actually play it like that?
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