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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2021 10:01:25 GMT -5
Brody King vs Archer is much more appealing. One problem, he's signed to ROH Well AEW's 4 for 4 on Company relationships so far... (MLW, NWA, Impact, NJPW) lol
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 4, 2021 10:02:00 GMT -5
I get where you're coming from, especially with how patronizing it sometimes can be when people rail on it, but I don't think getting confrontational about it is helpful, either. It makes sense to get excited, but we should dial it back a little. I'm not one for confrontation or wanting to rub it in peoples faces, but if you go back earlier in this thread or even see the thread in wrest when it came to NJPW/AEW working together, the amount of cynicism behind it was straight up baffling, to the point Mods had to get involved in the one thread. I for one find it extremely validating that the hints and drops that I was seeing and being told "Stop it, there's nothing there" was actually leading to what I and others thought may happen. The moral here is even if something doesn't come of speculation, don't shit on people for speculating, that's half the fun. I was involved in that spat in that topic. It had more to do with me not liking the tone of someone on the AEW side and him not liking mine. It happens and my point of contention was NJPW needing AEW, when neither really needs one another to succeed. Im glad this is happening I never thought in a million years as a fan I'd see two big companies unite like this. So my cynicism is gone. Although I'm still wondering what its gonna be like matchwise when they gotta pick a winner
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2021 10:07:06 GMT -5
I'm not one for confrontation or wanting to rub it in peoples faces, but if you go back earlier in this thread or even see the thread in wrest when it came to NJPW/AEW working together, the amount of cynicism behind it was straight up baffling, to the point Mods had to get involved in the one thread. I for one find it extremely validating that the hints and drops that I was seeing and being told "Stop it, there's nothing there" was actually leading to what I and others thought may happen. The moral here is even if something doesn't come of speculation, don't shit on people for speculating, that's half the fun. I was involved in that spat in that topic. It had more to do with me not liking the tone of someone on the AEW side and him not liking mine. It happens and my point of contention was NJPW needing AEW, when neither really needs one another to succeed. Im glad this is happening I never thought in a million years as a fan I'd see two big companies unite like this. So my cynicism is gone. Although I'm still wondering what its gonna be like matchwise when they gotta pick a winner The best course of action is to keep things even, you can also do multi man matches where the big AEW or NJPW names don't gotta take big pins. Then if it comes down to big matches, some AEW talent win and lose, some NJPW talent win and lose. You can realistically make both companies look good if you keep the playing field even. And frankly, both companies not even factoring in Impact's involvement have the star power to make that happen. I wish we could bring the Cibernetico to life with this, an 8 vs 8 elimination match of AEW and New Japan is a dream scenario lol. But yeah, I'm glad it's happening too, I'm also glad to see a lot of the cynicism has died. AEW and NJPW could have continued to exist without orbiting one another, but the fact they now can intertwine with no issues... I don't know about other people but it just makes wrestling feel more fun. I LOVE feeling this way where the possibilities just seem more endless than ever, it reminds me why I love this crazy thing called rasslin to begin with!
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2021 10:09:32 GMT -5
One problem, he's signed to ROH Well AEW's 4 for 4 on Company relationships so far... (MLW, NWA, Impact, NJPW) lol Are they working with MLW? I mean, they're working with AAA, and were going to work with DDT, too, pre-pandemic, plus CIMA's group, though that one's obviously currently not on the menu.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 4, 2021 10:12:45 GMT -5
I was involved in that spat in that topic. It had more to do with me not liking the tone of someone on the AEW side and him not liking mine. It happens and my point of contention was NJPW needing AEW, when neither really needs one another to succeed. Im glad this is happening I never thought in a million years as a fan I'd see two big companies unite like this. So my cynicism is gone. Although I'm still wondering what its gonna be like matchwise when they gotta pick a winner The best course of action is to keep things even, you can also do multi man matches where the big AEW or NJPW names don't gotta take big pins. Then if it comes down to big matches, some AEW talent win and lose, some NJPW talent win and lose. You can realistically make both companies look good if you keep the playing field even. And frankly, both companies not even factoring in Impact's involvement have the star power to make that happen. I wish we could bring the Cibernetico to life with this, an 8 vs 8 elimination match of AEW and New Japan is a dream scenario lol. But yeah, I'm glad it's happening too, I'm also glad to see a lot of the cynicism has died. AEW and NJPW could have continued to exist without orbiting one another, but the fact they now can intertwine with no issues... I don't know about other people but it just makes wrestling feel more fun. I LOVE feeling this way where the possibilities just seem more endless than ever, it reminds me why I love this crazy thing called rasslin to begin with! AEW is aligned with IMPACT, NJPW, and a little bit with GCW (more of a development feeder fed for them). They also have the monster factory as a training facility. Plus thats not counting DDT and their Joshi alliances the sky is the limit for TK.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2021 10:13:21 GMT -5
Well AEW's 4 for 4 on Company relationships so far... (MLW, NWA, Impact, NJPW) lol Are they working with MLW? I mean, they're working with AAA, and were going to work with DDT, too, pre-pandemic, plus CIMA's group, though that one's obviously currently not on the menu. They at least have decent terms with MLW, they let MJF work there, they let Jimmy Havoc split time there, and seemingly let Pillman Jr. finish his dates there no problem as well. AJ Kirsch also recently worked a DARK taping.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 4, 2021 10:13:28 GMT -5
Well AEW's 4 for 4 on Company relationships so far... (MLW, NWA, Impact, NJPW) lol Are they working with MLW? I mean, they're working with AAA, and were going to work with DDT, too, pre-pandemic, plus CIMA's group, though that one's obviously currently not on the menu. I don't know if they're working with them or MLW is letting their talent work there. I know some of the talent in AEW has a bone to pick with MLW
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2021 10:14:56 GMT -5
The best course of action is to keep things even, you can also do multi man matches where the big AEW or NJPW names don't gotta take big pins. Then if it comes down to big matches, some AEW talent win and lose, some NJPW talent win and lose. You can realistically make both companies look good if you keep the playing field even. And frankly, both companies not even factoring in Impact's involvement have the star power to make that happen. I wish we could bring the Cibernetico to life with this, an 8 vs 8 elimination match of AEW and New Japan is a dream scenario lol. But yeah, I'm glad it's happening too, I'm also glad to see a lot of the cynicism has died. AEW and NJPW could have continued to exist without orbiting one another, but the fact they now can intertwine with no issues... I don't know about other people but it just makes wrestling feel more fun. I LOVE feeling this way where the possibilities just seem more endless than ever, it reminds me why I love this crazy thing called rasslin to begin with! AEW is aligned with IMPACT, NJPW, and a little bit with GCW (more of a development feeder fed for them). They also have the monster factory as a training facility. Plus thats not counting DDT and their Joshi alliances the sky is the limit for TK. They also at the very least seem to be cool with AAA and MLW, who might be getting more and more interested and open themselves the more they see AEW making moves like this frankly... then there's Ring of Honor... who I think everyone thought AEW was gonna work with first until the Marty stuff happened... now they're kind of the current outlier in all this... for now. There's also NWA, who is kinda half dead right now but I mean they have the NWA Women's title and Rosa so it counts...
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 4, 2021 10:15:26 GMT -5
I'm not one for confrontation or wanting to rub it in peoples faces, but if you go back earlier in this thread or even see the thread in wrest when it came to NJPW/AEW working together, the amount of cynicism behind it was straight up baffling, to the point Mods had to get involved in the one thread. I for one find it extremely validating that the hints and drops that I was seeing and being told "Stop it, there's nothing there" was actually leading to what I and others thought may happen. The moral here is even if something doesn't come of speculation, don't shit on people for speculating, that's half the fun. I was involved in that spat in that topic. It had more to do with me not liking the tone of someone on the AEW side and him not liking mine. It happens and my point of contention was NJPW needing AEW, when neither really needs one another to succeed. Im glad this is happening I never thought in a million years as a fan I'd see two big companies unite like this. So my cynicism is gone. Although I'm still wondering what its gonna be like matchwise when they gotta pick a winner I think it was just a misunderstanding, as far as our spat. I didn't mean to have a "tone", I was more upset with a perspective that I disagreed with then I was with any one person expressing any variation of it. I knew eventually that they would work together. There was "something there" between some NJPW and AEW fans, it bothered me it existed, and I also think it hurt the New Japan perception in the states. I've loved New Japan since 1989, and love AEW, and it just makes sense to me that they should work together. With Kenta appearing, it just creates a better environment for the wrestlers and the fans. The world is so negative, I always hope wrestling is the one place I can find some positivity.
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Post by chrom on Feb 4, 2021 10:15:40 GMT -5
Are they working with MLW? I mean, they're working with AAA, and were going to work with DDT, too, pre-pandemic, plus CIMA's group, though that one's obviously currently not on the menu. They at least have decent terms with MLW, they let MJF work there, they let Jimmy Havoc split time there, and seemingly let Pillman Jr. finish his dates there no problem as well. AJ Kirsch also recently worked a DARK taping. They were working there cause they still had commitments to MLW in their contracts they had to fulfill and left once they did
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2021 10:16:00 GMT -5
Are they working with MLW? I mean, they're working with AAA, and were going to work with DDT, too, pre-pandemic, plus CIMA's group, though that one's obviously currently not on the menu. I don't know if they're working with them or MLW is letting their talent work there. I know some of the talent in AEW has a bone to pick with MLW I know Pillman Jr. seemed to have bad blood with them, not sure if that got resolved. I'm unsure if MJF did or not, though he did freely admit he gets paid WAY more in AEW. Then again, that's something he'd say regardless.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2021 10:19:21 GMT -5
They at least have decent terms with MLW, they let MJF work there, they let Jimmy Havoc split time there, and seemingly let Pillman Jr. finish his dates there no problem as well. AJ Kirsch also recently worked a DARK taping. They were working there cause they still had commitments to MLW in their contracts they had to fulfill and left once they did In any case even if you don't count MLW or see them as a fringe partner who let's talent work freely with them so long as they also work MLW's dates and such, AEW's connections and relationships still extend to NJPW, NWA, Impact, GCW, AAA, DDT/TJPW/Gatoh Move So hey, stuffs going well, much better than I think maybe literally everyone but Tony Khan thought, and I bet you even he's surprised lol
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2021 10:21:36 GMT -5
I don't know. I don't want to be opposed to this but I still can't help but worry that suddenly NJPW is going to become overshadowed by Kenny again, and I really don't want to see that happen.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 4, 2021 10:23:00 GMT -5
I don't know if they're working with them or MLW is letting their talent work there. I know some of the talent in AEW has a bone to pick with MLW I know Pillman Jr. seemed to have bad blood with them, not sure if that got resolved. I'm unsure if MJF did or not, though he did freely admit he gets paid WAY more in AEW. Then again, that's something he'd say regardless. I think Joey Janela has issues with them too. I always joked that MLW spent their budget keeping Jacob Fatu who is a hell of a talent and forgot to pay everyone else
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2021 10:23:14 GMT -5
I don't know. I don't want to be opposed to this but I still can't help but worry that suddenly NJPW is going to become overshadowed by Kenny again, and I really don't want to see that happen. I highly doubt they'd be overshadowed by Kenny, especially right now, but the fact of the matter is Kenny's best friend is their champion... if that isn't a dream match right now with both of them at the top of the wrestling mountain, I struggle to think of what would be down the road...
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 4, 2021 10:39:23 GMT -5
variety.com/2021/tv/news/new-japan-pro-wrestling-roku-channel-tv-deal-us-uk-canada-1234899493/New Japan has a deal with Roku, which is beyond exciting. New episodes on Thursdays at 5pm, with Roku having NJPW content in it's library. So excited that not only with AEW and NJPW wrestlers have matches, but now there is a Thursday show to look forward to. I imagine the Archers and whoever else appears in NJPW will show up on Thursdays, and my god, to be able to see Naito and Suzuki again on free TV is fantastic for me.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2021 10:46:42 GMT -5
I know Pillman Jr. seemed to have bad blood with them, not sure if that got resolved. I'm unsure if MJF did or not, though he did freely admit he gets paid WAY more in AEW. Then again, that's something he'd say regardless. I think Joey Janela has issues with them too. I always joked that MLW spent their budget keeping Jacob Fatu who is a hell of a talent and forgot to pay everyone else I can buy that Jacob is probably far and away the highest paid person. Like, I don't think MLW is secretive about having more modest pay than a ROH or the like, but they are sort of like a modern Memphis in that they get a lot of people on their way up or their way down, so, rookies and f***-ups like Aries, Low Ki, etc. People they can afford to pay less. Not necessarily a fan, but I suppose I get it, and I guess it's still better than the niche not being filled at all.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 4, 2021 11:00:42 GMT -5
In the end, I think what's really worth being excited about here is that it really feels like no dream match setup is off the table. I don't want "invasion" storylines (though I might make an exception for a whole Bullet Club civil war crisis crossover thing), I still want all the promotions involved here to retain their own unique identities and styles, but just the fact that I can sit here and say "Shit, I really want to see Hirooki Goto vs. The Butcher" and then go "Oh! That can happen now" is a pretty awesome thing.
Makes me think of how much guys like Okada have been talking about wanting to open up the wrestling world for stuff like that more often; there's a real desire among the wrestlers to get past the days of "promotion wars", and honestly it should be a positive thing for everyone. We're never going back to the territory days, and there's a lot about that era that should remain buried, but returning to a wrestling world where talent is able to go from place to place now and then to keep themselves fresh and get some new opportunities is something a really fun idea.
By the by, a guy I feel really good for in all of this: Chris Dickinson. Dirty Daddy was supposed to be the breakout star of Mania weekend this year with the number of high profile matches he was going to have, he's been angling to work in Japan for a good while now, but the pandemic ruined things. Now, he's finally broken through to NJPW Strong, and now there's the potential for him to show up in AEW? Go get that money, man, you've earned it.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 4, 2021 11:17:29 GMT -5
In the end, I think what's really worth being excited about here is that it really feels like no dream match setup is off the table. I don't want "invasion" storylines (though I might make an exception for a whole Bullet Club civil war crisis crossover thing), I still want all the promotions involved here to retain their own unique identities and styles, but just the fact that I can sit here and say "Shit, I really want to see Hirooki Goto vs. The Butcher" and then go "Oh! That can happen now" is a pretty awesome thing. Makes me think of how much guys like Okada have been talking about wanting to open up the wrestling world for stuff like that more often; there's a real desire among the wrestlers to get past the days of "promotion wars", and honestly it should be a positive thing for everyone. We're never going back to the territory days, and there's a lot about that era that should remain buried, but returning to a wrestling world where talent is able to go from place to place now and then to keep themselves fresh and get some new opportunities is something a really fun idea. By the by, a guy I feel really good for in all of this: Chris Dickinson. Dirty Daddy was supposed to be the breakout star of Mania weekend this year with the number of high profile matches he was going to have, he's been angling to work in Japan for a good while now, but the pandemic ruined things. Now, he's finally broken through to NJPW Strong, and now there's the potential for him to show up in AEW? Go get that money, man, you've earned it. Okada did say he would love to have some big get together show between WWE, AEW, CMLL, Impact, NJPW after all this. And if we get anything from this, just have Suzuki murder MJF and then the locker room clears out in celebration of MJF's ass whipping. Faces, heels, staff in jubilation while Minoru is confused about all this fuss.
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Post by Fade on Feb 4, 2021 11:23:09 GMT -5
Going to start saving posts like this. You only needed to save it for about a week. Still.
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