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Post by mistery on Feb 4, 2021 16:38:08 GMT -5
I would also like to mention that the main event contained Thatcher, who is historically ratings poison. People joke about it, but its pretty much true.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2021 16:41:35 GMT -5
Calling NXT a failure on Wed is some one sided BS It really is what it is. If you thought they were going pop up to 800,000 viewers and be number one on the night cause Edge was going to be there then you need to temper those expectations I am getting sick of this narrative that NXT is a failure myself. They bring in Edge for a single night and some thought oh he was gonna single handedly pop an 800k or more rating? when there was build or advertising for his appearance come on now somehow this is NXT is failure again geez. Meanwhile the competition is throwing every single thing at the wall doing mega crossovers with multiple companies, special shows what feels like every 3 weeks and not being able to hit even TNA 1.1 days consistently but yet that failing brand manages to always remain within arms reach of them ratings wise but failing brand I guess and all that jazz. Yea, as soon as Edge said he was appearing on Twitter it was automatically called a rating grab despite it not being announced on RAW every single time like they lost their minds It is just a real tired narrative that changes on the whim at this point. When NXT first started people were afraid they were going to bring RAW and SD people every week which never came true. I said it once before and i'll say it again, compare NXT to it started and where it is now and it is a fluid situation. They lose stars to RAW and SD and try to build new ones or rehab old ones (Ember). Outside of maybe Cole, Ciampa and Gargano you know when you watch NXT you most likely will lose this person in 6 months to a year Imagine if Damian Priest went to the Rumble, got the rub from the celebrity and then went back to NXT to chase the title. He was already on his way up but now he's a guy worth watching on RAW because they endorsed him
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 4, 2021 16:42:18 GMT -5
Calling NXT a failure on Wed is some one sided BS It really is what it is. If you thought they were going pop up to 800,000 viewers and be number one on the night cause Edge was going to be there then you need to temper those expectations I am getting sick of this narrative that NXT is a failure myself. They bring in Edge for a single night and some thought oh he was gonna single handedly pop an 800k or more rating? when there was build or advertising for his appearance come on now somehow this is NXT is failure again geez. Meanwhile the competition is throwing every single thing at the wall doing mega crossovers with multiple companies, special shows what feels like every 3 weeks and not being able to hit even TNA 1.1 days consistently but yet that failing brand manages to always remain within arms reach of them ratings wise but failing brand I guess and all that jazz. Failure is a strong word and unfair. However looking at demos and viewers is it fair to say NXT can be viewed as a disappointment? Sure.
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Post by eJm on Feb 4, 2021 16:43:47 GMT -5
For the record, I don’t think it’s a failure as much as it’s handicapped by the fact that the show itself doesn’t seem to matter to the rest of the company.
Like, if it was on the Network, I’d sort of get it. You don’t usually promote much outside of Network specials and PPVs and such because networks aren’t really a fan of that. But you have about 1.8m people who watch Raw every week and the fact there seems to be no intention of trying to even get 1/5th of those people to watch another one of your shows on the same network is just really odd.
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Post by mistery on Feb 4, 2021 16:46:19 GMT -5
For the record, I don’t think it’s a failure as much as it’s handicapped by the fact that the show itself doesn’t seem to matter to the rest of the company. Like, if it was on the Network, I’d sort of get it. You don’t usually promote much outside of Network specials and PPVs and such because networks aren’t really a fan of that. But you have about 1.8m people who watch Raw every week and the fact there seems to be no intention of trying to even get 1/5th of those people to watch another one of your shows on the same network is just really odd. This is just me completely speculating, but I have to wonder if the lack of promotion is because of Vince. It's been reported by various people that Vince doesn't see NXT stars as people he's created (even if they came from the PC itself), hence them getting worse booking than already "established" stars after a couple of weeks (the three week rule), and if they lose all of their momentum (and they generally do), it makes him feel like NXT isn't worth investing much into besides the bare minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 16:46:36 GMT -5
This is an objectively disastrous rating under the circumstances, I would say. That said, to play Devil's Advocate, is this really Edge's fault, or is it fans having PTSD for the last handful of times WWE has done something like this to try and pop a rating on NXT? Generally, when main roster people who haven't explicitly been deemed as returning to NXT full-time show up on NXT, it is completely inconsequential and pointless.
I'll admit that I was somewhat intrigued when Edge was announced for NXT, but it was so obvious that he was going to show up and be like "maybe I'll go after the NXT title!" and then not do that, that I decided it wasn't even worth flipping over there. Not because I don't like Edge, I really do, but because I just don't care about WWE trying to shoehorn the NXT Title into the Royal Rumble decision. It's the same as when the Rumble winner used to "consider" going after the ECW title.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 4, 2021 16:48:29 GMT -5
Calling something a failure or success is all dependent on what the goal is. Is NXT going to get cancelled? Highly unlikely. And being a WWE product doesn't guarantee that (see Tough Enough). So it's built a high enough base to continue staying on TV and getting revenue. It's still producing good matches and good characters (some of which get used well on the main roster). If you view the goal as stopping AEW from getting a new TV contract or growing their audience, then it failed. It's a mixed bag. It's a good show most weeks that for whatever reason, has lost viewers over time. That's not unique. RAW has been doing the same thing. To me, using a word like failure or success misses the nuance. I'd still say this number is disappointing. Even if you advertise something on social media, it still carries some weight and there are about 150K viewers on Wednesday who switch during commercials to see what's on. But it's definitely true that if this was the plan, plug it on RAW.
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Post by Fade on Feb 4, 2021 16:50:33 GMT -5
I am getting sick of this narrative that NXT is a failure myself. They bring in Edge for a single night and some thought oh he was gonna single handedly pop an 800k or more rating? when there was build or advertising for his appearance come on now somehow this is NXT is failure again geez. Meanwhile the competition is throwing every single thing at the wall doing mega crossovers with multiple companies, special shows what feels like every 3 weeks and not being able to hit even TNA 1.1 days consistently but yet that failing brand manages to always remain within arms reach of them ratings wise but failing brand I guess and all that jazz. Failure is a strong word and unfair. However looking at demos and viewers is it fair to say NXT can be viewed as a disappointment? Sure. I wouldn’t even say it’s NXT but..the handling of it so-to-speak. And placing it in that time and date to compete in the first place. For the record, I don’t think it’s a failure as much as it’s handicapped by the fact that the show itself doesn’t seem to matter to the rest of the company. Like, if it was on the Network, I’d sort of get it. You don’t usually promote much outside of Network specials and PPVs and such because networks aren’t really a fan of that. But you have about 1.8m people who watch Raw every week and the fact there seems to be no intention of trying to even get 1/5th of those people to watch another one of your shows on the same network is just really odd. And this. Ratings for both shows are always up and down but I did think Edge would give ‘em a boost. Even if just promoted on Twitter. Said it was smart to do in the thread about it. Would have been smarter, as others have said, to promote and make a deal about Edge continuing Finn Balor, on RAW.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 4, 2021 16:51:11 GMT -5
Quarter hours should be interesting. Because there was a long drawn out Escobar match that seemed to slow even the live thread down and you have Thatcher in the main event. Yeah, I'm wondering what those are as well. Did it start out strong, keep the audience well, and then really started to crater with that Escobar match. And with Thatcher in the main, that's not a guy that can bring the ratings back up. That's on top of the Dusty Cup not really being a draw.
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Post by eJm on Feb 4, 2021 16:51:13 GMT -5
For the record, I don’t think it’s a failure as much as it’s handicapped by the fact that the show itself doesn’t seem to matter to the rest of the company. Like, if it was on the Network, I’d sort of get it. You don’t usually promote much outside of Network specials and PPVs and such because networks aren’t really a fan of that. But you have about 1.8m people who watch Raw every week and the fact there seems to be no intention of trying to even get 1/5th of those people to watch another one of your shows on the same network is just really odd. This is just me completely speculating, but I have to wonder if the lack of promotion is because of Vince. It's been reported by various people that Vince doesn't see NXT stars as people he's created (even if they came from the PC itself), hence them getting worse booking than already "established" stars after a couple of weeks (the three week rule), and if they lose all of their momentum (and they generally do), it makes him feel like NXT isn't worth investing much into besides the bare minimum. The reason I don’t buy this is because he was probably the one that decided to put NXT against Dynamite in the first place with the help of USA. So, like, if he felt that way about it, that wouldn’t have happened and they would have just put Main Event or something there. But it was a set out plan to counter AEW’s former indie stars with the talent in NXT and for that to work more, you would in theory want to make people aware that show exists. And outside of Survivor Series 2019 (even during that time they didn’t), that just hasn’t happened. Like, if you don’t want people making the narrative about NXT being put in Dynamite’s firing line, you’d want to make it a part of your show to promote it, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 16:51:39 GMT -5
Not making the top 50 has to be an embarrassment. The NXT on Wednesdays 8 to 10 pm is a failure. They have to be hoping Wednesday Night Hockey let's them move the show gracefully. They specifically went out of their way to put NXT up against AEW. AEW has pretty consistently beaten them in the ratings. However, if they take NXT off Wednesday, AEW's number likely grows. They're basically using NXT as a shield to make sure AEW doesn't get better ratings than Raw or Smackdown.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 4, 2021 16:53:18 GMT -5
I mean very likely they just came up.with the idea of Edge appearing on nxt one day before.
It is not unlike WWE to come.up with these things at the last second.
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 4, 2021 16:54:24 GMT -5
Not making the top 50 has to be an embarrassment. The NXT on Wednesdays 8 to 10 pm is a failure. They have to be hoping Wednesday Night Hockey let's them move the show gracefully. They specifically went out of their way to put NXT up against AEW. AEW has pretty consistently beaten them in the ratings. However, if they take NXT off Wednesday, AEW's number likely grows. They're basically using NXT as a shield to make sure AEW doesn't get better ratings than Raw or Smackdown. I think it's unfair to all the wrestlers on the NXT roster who try so hard to put on a good show, to be seen as a "shield" to another company's success. They deserve to be on a Tuesday or Thursday where they would have more eyes on them. WWE being a business first that does wrestling hurts the talent who deserve better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 16:55:10 GMT -5
I think NXT's partially a failure. As a TV show taken in isolation, yeah, it's absolutely successful. As the attempt to kneecap AEW that it blatantly is, yeah, it's completely choked.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 4, 2021 16:55:25 GMT -5
This is just me completely speculating, but I have to wonder if the lack of promotion is because of Vince. It's been reported by various people that Vince doesn't see NXT stars as people he's created (even if they came from the PC itself), hence them getting worse booking than already "established" stars after a couple of weeks (the three week rule), and if they lose all of their momentum (and they generally do), it makes him feel like NXT isn't worth investing much into besides the bare minimum. The reason I don’t buy this is because he was probably the one that decided to put NXT against Dynamite in the first place with the help of USA. So, like, if he felt that way about it, that wouldn’t have happened and they would have just put Main Event or something there. But it was a set out plan to counter AEW’s former indie stars with the talent in NXT and for that to work more, you would in theory want to make people aware that show exists. And outside of Survivor Series 2019 (even during that time they didn’t), that just hasn’t happened. Like, if you don’t want people making the narrative about NXT being put in Dynamite’s firing line, you’d want to make it a part of your show to promote it, right? Vince has this dumb way of thinking that he recognizes something is popular and has weight ,but they dint see as stars see: Asuka,Ziggler,etc. I think Vince sees NXT has fans and is fairly big.But RAW and SD! are their stars. So that is the best use he sees for NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 16:58:23 GMT -5
They specifically went out of their way to put NXT up against AEW. AEW has pretty consistently beaten them in the ratings. However, if they take NXT off Wednesday, AEW's number likely grows. They're basically using NXT as a shield to make sure AEW doesn't get better ratings than Raw or Smackdown. I think it's unfair to all the wrestlers on the NXT roster who try so hard to put on a good show, to be seen as a "shield" to another company's success. They deserve to be on a Tuesday or Thursday where they would have more eyes on them. WWE being a business first that does wrestling hurts the talent who deserve better. Absolutely. NXT is by far the best thing WWE has going. It's their only weekly show I've watched for years now. It's completely unfair to them, but it's the reality. It's also a double edged sword. If Vince cared about NXT, he would get more involved with it and it would start to suck.
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Post by eJm on Feb 4, 2021 16:58:26 GMT -5
The reason I don’t buy this is because he was probably the one that decided to put NXT against Dynamite in the first place with the help of USA. So, like, if he felt that way about it, that wouldn’t have happened and they would have just put Main Event or something there. But it was a set out plan to counter AEW’s former indie stars with the talent in NXT and for that to work more, you would in theory want to make people aware that show exists. And outside of Survivor Series 2019 (even during that time they didn’t), that just hasn’t happened. Like, if you don’t want people making the narrative about NXT being put in Dynamite’s firing line, you’d want to make it a part of your show to promote it, right? Vince has this dumb way of thinking that he recognizes something is popular and has weight ,but they dint see as stars see: Asuka,Ziggler,etc. I think Vince sees NXT has fans and is fairly big.But RAW and SD! are their stars. So that is the best use he sees for NXT. Which I can get but you should at least be having people wondering what’s next. Thus, you promote NXT as the place future stars are made and have people want to watch. Or you just go ahead and make it a third brand instead of this “third brand on one week and development the next” BS they’ve been doing for two years.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 4, 2021 16:58:58 GMT -5
Both promotions are throwing things into these Wednesday shows to try and win this thing. Dynamite is essentially a nexus crossover point for four different promotions at this point. If anything, WWE seem somewhat restrained in their response in comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 17:00:43 GMT -5
Quarter hours should be interesting. Because there was a long drawn out Escobar match that seemed to slow even the live thread down and you have Thatcher in the main event. Yeah, I'm wondering what those are as well. Did it start out strong, keep the audience well, and then really started to crater with that Escobar match. And with Thatcher in the main, that's not a guy that can bring the ratings back up. That's on top of the Dusty Cup not really being a draw. Escobar loses people about as consistently as Thatcher does. That match really sucked, too.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 4, 2021 17:15:15 GMT -5
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