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Post by BlahBlah on Feb 5, 2021 11:56:16 GMT -5
I mean NXT really hasn’t been interesting in a while. Lots of deep analysis in this thread and for me this is the answer.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 5, 2021 12:37:07 GMT -5
Q1: Dakota/Raquel vs Kacey/Kayden: 713k, 205K Q2: Toni interview, Edge/Regal backstage segment, beginning of Theory vs Ruff: 652k, 199K Q3: Rest of Theory vs Ruff, Legado del Fantasma vid, Tian Shan vid, Legado vs Lucha House Party: 612k, 191k Q4: Rest of Legado vs LHP, 594k, 190k Q5: Balor, Dunne, Edge segment, Gargano/Kushida segment, Toni vs Jessie: 618k, 202k Q6: Curt Stallion interview, Escobar vs Metallik: 577K, 173k Q7: End of Escobar vs Metallik, Kross challenges Edge and Escobar, Kross/Escobar faceoff: 586k, 213K Q8: Thatcher/Ciampa vs Cole/Strong: 519K, 183K Holy crap that main event tanked hard and without the overrun it couldve been much worse. WWE has given up and abandoned pushes for guys for much less than what Thatcher seems to do to the ratings every single week Again it's just odd, Thatcher's not a bad wrestler, but NXT's viewership seems to hate this stiff grizzled vet type... which is odd when most of their audience is over f***ing 50...
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Post by thehottag on Feb 5, 2021 13:15:30 GMT -5
I cannot fathom WWE, with it's 3 hours on Monday & 2 hours on Friday, can't find a moment to advertise & push NXT. AEW always say 'tune in next week to see...', so you have a reason to watch the show. There is literally zero reason not to let your audience know why they should be watching NXT, especially as you put them head-to-head with AEW on purpose. Any 'failure' regarding the ratings has to come down to this.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 6, 2021 2:09:28 GMT -5
I cannot fathom WWE, with it's 3 hours on Monday & 2 hours on Friday, can't find a moment to advertise & push NXT. AEW always say 'tune in next week to see...', so you have a reason to watch the show. There is literally zero reason not to let your audience know why they should be watching NXT, especially as you put them head-to-head with AEW on purpose. Any 'failure' regarding the ratings has to come down to this. You could write the best book in the world, but nobody is going to read it if they don't know it's for sale. This is my leading defense as to why it feels like they aren't going to keep NXT on Wednesdays over the likes of Hockey. Why would they when WWE and USA both seem to give zero shits in promoting it and advertising it? They like... gave up, obscenely gave up on this show, it felt like they barely tried in the first place but at this point they can't even bother to advertise Edge, their RUMBLE WINNER, aking an appearance on the brand while RAW is airing. I guarantee you if they go the sports direction, they will advertise the shit out of their Nascar and Hockey Games because to them it generates mainstream appeal to cross promote with mainstream sports just like how Smackdown promotes FOX Sports. They will pump Hockey up more than their own brand, it's sad but true. To keep something there they give no energy towards as it stands? Idk, it just doesn't seem like it's trending favorably for them.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 6, 2021 2:31:34 GMT -5
Q1: Dakota/Raquel vs Kacey/Kayden: 713k, 205K Q2: Toni interview, Edge/Regal backstage segment, beginning of Theory vs Ruff: 652k, 199K Q3: Rest of Theory vs Ruff, Legado del Fantasma vid, Tian Shan vid, Legado vs Lucha House Party: 612k, 191k Q4: Rest of Legado vs LHP, 594k, 190k Q5: Balor, Dunne, Edge segment, Gargano/Kushida segment, Toni vs Jessie: 618k, 202k Q6: Curt Stallion interview, Escobar vs Metallik: 577K, 173k Q7: End of Escobar vs Metallik, Kross challenges Edge and Escobar, Kross/Escobar faceoff: 586k, 213K Q8: Thatcher/Ciampa vs Cole/Strong: 519K, 183K Holy crap that main event tanked hard and without the overrun it couldve been much worse. WWE has given up and abandoned pushes for guys for much less than what Thatcher seems to do to the ratings every single week Again it's just odd, Thatcher's not a bad wrestler, but NXT's viewership seems to hate this stiff grizzled vet type... which is odd when most of their audience is over f***ing 50... He's a good wrestler, but there's not much charisma, not much personality. The majority of the audience may be over 50, but without charisma and personality there's still not much to draw people in. Look at somebody like Dean Malenko, great wrestler, but not flashy, he was a wrestler. That said, he had charisma and personality, you saw him and knew that he was a silent badass killer. Thatcher while being a good wrestler, doesn't have that.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 6, 2021 3:57:12 GMT -5
I feel bad for Thatcher because, he certainly can work, and maybe the Ciampa team would help him in time, but right now, holy shit. This is too consistent to be a coincidence.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 6, 2021 4:21:53 GMT -5
I don’t want it to get to a point where I’m only obligated to support a talent if they pop a number.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 4:38:55 GMT -5
Still think those quarter-hours are also pretty damning for Edge. The fifth quarter's when people are typically flipping through channels so by all signs his main appearance brought in absolutely nothing.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 6, 2021 4:58:44 GMT -5
Still think those quarter-hours are also pretty damning for Edge. The fifth quarter's when people are typically flipping through channels so by all signs his main appearance brought in absolutely nothing. I really think WWE dropped the ball by not mentioning NXT at all on Monday, particularly when Edge was in the ring mulling over his options. They mentioned the WWE title and the Universal title, but no acknowledgement that he could challenge for the NXT title. The first time the possibility of the NXT title being considered by Edge was on social media on Tuesday, and that's just not good enough to put a dent into AEW on one of their named show weeks. And that's not even getting into Bianca Beliar, who wasn't on either Raw or NXT, and again, they made the same mistake of namedropping Asuka in her and Reginald's promo on Smackdown, but no mention of Io Shirai and her upcoming Takeover defense. This, in spite of the fact that the Rumble winning actually cashed in her Rumble shot on the NXT Women's title last year! The fact that the NXT titles are complete afterthoughts for the Rumble winners means nobody really buys that Edge is going to choose Finn Balor or Pete Dunne for his Mania match, so why bother tuning in to see this possibility teased? (Also, I'm pretty sure AEW had the wedding at the top of the second hour, which was the anti-thesis of Edge showing up with one days notice on social media. They had been building that angle for months, so people at least knew it was happening for sure even if conventional wisdom says that Edge, Finn Balor, and Pete Dunne have all that star power on paper compared to Miro, Kip Sabian, Penelope, and the Gentlemen's Club.)
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Post by thehottag on Feb 6, 2021 6:17:53 GMT -5
To keep something there they give no energy towards as it stands? Idk, it just doesn't seem like it's trending favorably for them. Part of me genuinely wonders if it's part of some dick-waving contest between Vince & Triple H, where McMahon wants NXT to knock AEW but doesn't want it to do better than Raw. This would explain why they don't advertise it & has to 'recreate' all the NXT call-ups, to prove his vision of wrestling is superior. I know it makes zero sense for him to throw away business for the sake of pettiness, but this is WWE here.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 6, 2021 22:18:53 GMT -5
I'm curious to see other trends for who seems to have negative impacts on ratings aside from Thatcher.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 6, 2021 22:37:11 GMT -5
I wonder too if Ciampa vs. UE being super played out made a difference.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 7, 2021 8:20:07 GMT -5
I don’t want it to get to a point where I’m only obligated to support a talent if they pop a number. I don't think anyone ever said Thatcher sucks because of the rating, objectively though, something about him isn't clicking. They gave this dude a gimmicked special match all his own in the Fight Pit, they gave him Thatch as Thatch Can segments, they've given him match after match and the dude just keeps dropping the number. The ratings ebb and flow every single week, to the point it's like you can't really peg anyone as actively losing viewers when they come on (Though in some cases like Io and Mox the viewers definitely go up when they appear), but Thatcher? This drop happens every time, and he has appeared in numberous different ways, sections, and aspects of NXT. It's quite odd because they've put a lot of stock into him, but the general NXT audience constantly says "No thank you", drop off when he's on, and normally climb back in some fashion when he's done, or in this weeks case, end the show at the lowest point. It's not so much a case where we're hating on Thatcher, at least I'm not... I'm really just confused. Something isn't clicking, no matter what they try right now, with a large chunk of their audience.
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