Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 18, 2021 21:43:31 GMT -5
As a wrestler? Ehhhhh
As a backstage/commentator? Sure.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 18, 2021 21:46:34 GMT -5
Not taking any outside stuff into the equation I think he still has benefit. But I also think the stuff with MJF just has not gone as they had hoped... for either Jericho or MJF that's just my opinion though
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 18, 2021 22:10:09 GMT -5
I really forgot that he's really good on commentary as well. He really is good at playing up being a heel while putting every talent and what he is seeing over
He could do that when he officially retires and do it well.
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Post by Celgress on Feb 18, 2021 22:13:35 GMT -5
On the mic benefit in the ring detriment. His Judas Effect elbow at times looks so weak it couldn't pop a balloon much less knock a person out.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 18, 2021 22:18:45 GMT -5
Mixed bag. He's currently a ment.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 18, 2021 22:22:21 GMT -5
On the mic benefit in the ring detriment. His Judas Effect elbow at times looks so weak it couldn't pop a balloon much less knock a person out. In fairness he knocked Darby clean out with it a bit back, I'd be a bit careful about how I whip my elbow at a guys face after that too.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 18, 2021 22:46:43 GMT -5
I'm loving the Inner Circle angle and you can tell he puts a ton of effort into the little things. I only see him having two years left in the ring but I see him having one final face turn before he hangs it up.
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Post by Celgress on Feb 18, 2021 23:14:18 GMT -5
On the mic benefit in the ring detriment. His Judas Effect elbow at times looks so weak it couldn't pop a balloon much less knock a person out. In fairness he knocked Darby clean out with it a bit back, I'd be a bit careful about how I whip my elbow at a guys face after that too. While it is kayfabe effective it looks shoot laughably weak these days. Everyone I know laughs when he does it. This was not a problem until about six months ago. Jericho seems to have gone downhill fast in terms of both ring work and appearance. I feel sorry for him.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 18, 2021 23:58:43 GMT -5
In fairness he knocked Darby clean out with it a bit back, I'd be a bit careful about how I whip my elbow at a guys face after that too. While it is kayfabe effective it looks shoot laughably weak these days. Everyone I know laughs when he does it. This was not a problem until about six months ago. Jericho seems to have gone downhill fast in terms of both ring work and appearance. I feel sorry for him. It's a spinning elbow to the face, that can look weak, but even from a shoot standpoint, that shit is gonna f*** you up. I really don't see him using The Judas Effect any less effective than he has in the past, and in terms of ring quality, I haven't seen a sharp downturn either. He's actually looked to have gotten back in better shape recently since he looked bloated and NBA Twitter casuals came down hard on him.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 19, 2021 1:46:00 GMT -5
I still mostly enjoy him on screen but it's tainted his actions off it.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Feb 19, 2021 1:53:34 GMT -5
One of the reasons I watch the show every week. Other than 1 iffy Lionsault (and his next one was flawless), I haven't seen any reason in-ring or promos that suggests he shouldn't be on tv Some smarks don't get how important he is to marketing, or teaching younger guys about working on TV and don't understand what basic heat is. "he's being a heel, get him off my TV" is just how people watch wrestling in 2021
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 19, 2021 2:18:46 GMT -5
Really am shocked how many people consider him a detriment
Like I obviously know the reason some think he is, but like from a pure show standpoint I don't know how you don't think Chris Jericho doesn't add something to the wrestling product in either presence, wrestling, or even the commentary booth.
AEW's still very young, they are still trying to build names people wll recognize outside of a bubble. Casuals will always know who Chris Jericho is. He's trying to build up other stars around him to make sure they could get to his standing. All the crowds do is sing his theme song. He literally did an AEW segment near the end of last year in Le Dinner Debonaire that got mainstream attention. He was a huge part part of Stadium Stampede, which won Match of the Year in some respects.
Also what happened to "The ratings don't define a wrestler"? People were arguing that, and now were trying to use ratings to yet again define if a wrestler should be kept around. If people don't like it with Thatcher then the same should apply here, and Jericho isn't even close to what Thatcher's track record is.
You can think he's a POS outside the company all you like, within reason, that doesn't really effect the bottom line for AEW where him being there to try and bring casual eyes to the product and bring up the young stars around them, is a big deal to AEW and continues to be.
Jericho's IRL brain might be fried but his Wrestling brain isn't. And I feel like when it comes to AEW there's still plenty he can do, and on top of that, he's a master of reinventing himself, and just when you think he's done all he can do... he hasn't. Idk I think this is just overblown with Jericho from a wrestling standpoint. Unless he is just openly f***ing everything up, then I don't see him as a detriment. Especially with how much he seems to be wanting to prove he isn't recently with him cutting his weight back again and fixing his Lionsault mistake.
In the end I could see him being with AEW the rest of his career... but hey, time will tell.
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Post by pinja on Feb 19, 2021 3:55:09 GMT -5
Really am shocked how many people consider him a detriment Like I obviously know the reason some think he is, but like from a pure show standpoint I don't know how you don't think Chris Jericho doesn't add something to the wrestling product in either presence, wrestling, or even the commentary booth. AEW's still very young, they are still trying to build names people wll recognize outside of a bubble. Casuals will always know who Chris Jericho is. He's trying to build up other stars around him to make sure they could get to his standing. All the crowds do is sing his theme song. He literally did an AEW segment near the end of last year in Le Dinner Debonaire that got mainstream attention. He was a huge part part of Stadium Stampede, which won Match of the Year in some respects. Also what happened to "The ratings don't define a wrestler"? People were arguing that, and now were trying to use ratings to yet again define if a wrestler should be kept around. If people don't like it with Thatcher then the same should apply here, and Jericho isn't even close to what Thatcher's track record is. You can think he's a POS outside the company all you like, within reason, that doesn't really effect the bottom line for AEW where him being there to try and bring casual eyes to the product and bring up the young stars around them, is a big deal to AEW and continues to be. Jericho's IRL brain might be fried but his Wrestling brain isn't. And I feel like when it comes to AEW there's still plenty he can do, and on top of that, he's a master of reinventing himself, and just when you think he's done all he can do... he hasn't. Idk I think this is just overblown with Jericho from a wrestling standpoint. Unless he is just openly f***ing everything up, then I don't see him as a detriment. Especially with how much he seems to be wanting to prove he isn't recently with him cutting his weight back again and fixing his Lionsault mistake. In the end I could see him being with AEW the rest of his career... but hey, time will tell. That's very diplomatic. Every wrestler should try to pull in casual viewers. Jericho isn't meant to try, he's meant to do it. Does he? I've no idea and no idea how to find out. I am casually watching AEW and seeing Jericho makes me feel uncomfortable. He can still walk the walk and talk the talk, but there're moments when I see his face and think he should be nowhere near a wrestling ring but in a clinic. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter cause that's the impression I get and casual fans of old, when they saw Jericho on NBA night, they didn't get a good impression either.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 19, 2021 4:02:39 GMT -5
While not a detriment, it does feel like this run should be wrapping up narratively. In the next month or 2, finish up the Inner Circle stuff, presumably with MJF putting him out for a while.
He feels like a main eventer, but him showing up doesn't feel that special right now, some time off followed by a big return would be cool.
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Post by dynamitekidd on Feb 19, 2021 4:56:17 GMT -5
I can’t really see how he i can call him a detriment, he’s not great in ring anymore but still ok, not like terrible or unwatchable. He can work the mic as good as always. Doesn’t mind making young guys look good and his name still has some rub to it. Benefit.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 19, 2021 7:35:31 GMT -5
While not a detriment, it does feel like this run should be wrapping up narratively. In the next month or 2, finish up the Inner Circle stuff, presumably with MJF putting him out for a while. He feels like a main eventer, but him showing up doesn't feel that special right now, some time off followed by a big return would be cool. Worth noting before the pandemic he was scheduled to take like I don't know three months off to tour with Fozzy? Blood and Guts was set up to be his writeout match, then things changed It seems like the plan right now, or soon, is for MJF to take things over and write Jericho out and crumble the Inner Circle or try and make it his own thing. You could realistically then write Jericho out till the onset of Summer or Late Spring, where his return will mean something. But the notion I'm getting the last few months in fighting and giving a lot to the young kids is he is definitely looking to give guys like Top Flight, Pillman Jr. and The Acclaimed screentime before that break, and that's absolutely what he SHOULD be doing.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2021 7:57:55 GMT -5
His first year, he really helped carry the company and was one of the bigger reasons to turn in
Since he dropped the title tho, I find myself bored with him quickly. Factor in his outside stupidity and I honestly just want this stuff with IC to be over quickly so he can get off TV. He needs a break
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Post by Celgress on Feb 19, 2021 10:26:09 GMT -5
While it is kayfabe effective it looks shoot laughably weak these days. Everyone I know laughs when he does it. This was not a problem until about six months ago. Jericho seems to have gone downhill fast in terms of both ring work and appearance. I feel sorry for him. It's a spinning elbow to the face, that can look weak, but even from a shoot standpoint, that shit is gonna f*** you up. I really don't see him using The Judas Effect any less effective than he has in the past, and in terms of ring quality, I haven't seen a sharp downturn either. He's actually looked to have gotten back in better shape recently since he looked bloated and NBA Twitter casuals came down hard on him. I call 'em like I see 'em, and it looks terrible. And I seriously doubt it or Jericho could f*** anyone up as things now stand. And, yes, sadly I must say Jericho has looked bloated and red-faced in recent months. His hair also has lost its luster. Pro Wrestling is a cosmetic sport appearance matters. Edit - And don't get me started on his outside AEW problmes.
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Post by bog on Feb 19, 2021 18:33:39 GMT -5
If we're ignoring his irl crap, then yes, he's still a benefit. I occasionally bartend and like to put one of the TVs on Dynamite Wednesdays. Typically the only wrestler anyone comments on is Jericho, then ask me to turn it up. He's huge star power and still gold on the mic. It might be time for him to start switching to a manager or commentator role, but he's done nothing but help the popularity of the company
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Post by nate5054 on Feb 19, 2021 18:36:35 GMT -5
I think he's a benefit, but his true benefit would be on commentary.
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