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Post by The Wild Man of Borneo on Feb 27, 2021 11:05:04 GMT -5
They want Black Superman, Icon is right there. Look, I-- I just want a Superman movie. Stop reinventing the wheel. It hasn't been working. Oh, and let's not do the origin again. Just get on with it. But if it is the Ellis version, don't we need an origin? Unless they do a Spider-Verse type deal with Supes of other universes working together. I don't want to sound like a caveman or whatever, but I would like to see Cavill do it right too. But...Snyder and all that. I meant if it was Clark, but for Ellis, yeah, you would need one. In fact, on second thought I wouldn't mind if they do a Calvin Ellis film. President Superman is an interesting premise.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 27, 2021 11:07:15 GMT -5
But if it is the Ellis version, don't we need an origin? Unless they do a Spider-Verse type deal with Supes of other universes working together. I don't want to sound like a caveman or whatever, but I would like to see Cavill do it right too. But...Snyder and all that. I meant if it was Clark, but for Ellis, yeah, you would need one. In fact, on second thought I wouldn't mind if they do a Calvin Ellis film. President Superman is an interesting premise. Yeah it would work just like introducing Miles Morales in ITSV would. Plus, as I said, it would quell nerds complaining that they were erasing Clark. And of course the (REDACTED) complaints. /Awe who am I kidding, of course they'll still complain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 11:11:19 GMT -5
Really I think my biggest hope for a Superman movie is please f***ing let him fight someone other than Luthor or another Kryptonian for once. Parasite, Metallo (though he's more of a sequel threat), Livewire, Brainiac, anything.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 27, 2021 11:24:39 GMT -5
Really I think my biggest hope for a Superman movie is please f***ing let him fight someone other than Luthor or another Kryptonian for once. Parasite, Metallo (though he's more of a sequel threat), Livewire, Brainiac, anything. If they do Ellis I fear they do Luthor, except they fashion him to be more like (REDACTED). Think Maxwell Lord's portrayal in WW84! I am tired of hearing about that. From both sides. It's over. The people who won, won. Maybe things are a bit quieter now. But there's also sore losers and sore winners alike. Maybe this is why I want a compromise. Perhaps a world where ELlis and Kent both exist in different continuities and such.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 27, 2021 11:29:04 GMT -5
Really I think my biggest hope for a Superman movie is please f***ing let him fight someone other than Luthor or another Kryptonian for once. Parasite, Metallo (though he's more of a sequel threat), Livewire, Brainiac, anything. He fought Doomsday in BvS! ...kinda. ...sorta. But yeah, Luthor should be a side-character at most in a new Superman movie just to make things different. Plenty of other threats he could face in the meantime.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 27, 2021 12:27:59 GMT -5
Really I think my biggest hope for a Superman movie is please f***ing let him fight someone other than Luthor or another Kryptonian for once. Parasite, Metallo (though he's more of a sequel threat), Livewire, Brainiac, anything. How about he fights Luthor 50 minutes in, takes him down with one punch that sends him into a coma, and then fights the real villain of the piece?
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 27, 2021 13:50:49 GMT -5
I have no interest in a black superman story. I'm tired of everyone trying to find ways to subvert the character or do something new and wacky with him. He's a good man with the powers of a god who every day makes the CHOICE to go out and do some good. But he can't be everywhere at once and there are threats out there that can't be solved with punching. Just do that. Just have the tone be fun and do that. Superman is an alien from another world. As long as his skin color is that of a human being's, it can be anything. Xenophobia of the "other" and the immigrant story can be and have been powerful themes in a Superman story without betraying the character. Him appearing to be a Black man can add another wrinkle to that and Coates can make it work.
As for villain, I'm rooting for Brainiac. Lex Luthor can be involved, but Zod or (Insert Other Evil Kryptonian Here) has been played out.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Feb 27, 2021 14:34:51 GMT -5
Man I'm just happy to finally be getting a new Superman movie.
Cavill could be a really good Supes if given the chance but I'm fine with them rebooting. They're better off starting fresh and separating this from all the Snyder bollocks.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 27, 2021 15:20:26 GMT -5
Really I think my biggest hope for a Superman movie is please f***ing let him fight someone other than Luthor or another Kryptonian for once. Parasite, Metallo (though he's more of a sequel threat), Livewire, Brainiac, anything. What I do find annoying is Man of Steel pretty much ruined how I Would do Brainiac... the entire taking over the airwaves and demanding the Kryptonian is exactly how I would have done it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 16:22:43 GMT -5
I have no interest in a black superman story. I'm tired of everyone trying to find ways to subvert the character or do something new and wacky with him. He's a good man with the powers of a god who every day makes the CHOICE to go out and do some good. But he can't be everywhere at once and there are threats out there that can't be solved with punching. Just do that. Just have the tone be fun and do that. Superman is an alien from another world. As long as his skin color is that of a human being's, it can be anything. Xenophobia of the "other" and the immigrant story can be and have been powerful themes in a Superman story without betraying the character. Him appearing to be a Black man can add another wrinkle to that and Coates can make it work.
As for villain, I'm rooting for Brainiac. Lex Luthor can be involved, but Zod or (Insert Other Evil Kryptonian Here) has been played out.
Coates is definitely talented enough to make it work. I am immensely tired of the alien part of Superman being such a huge part of his characterization. There's been way too much focus on that element of who he is for about twenty years, and I'm bored of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 16:27:31 GMT -5
I have no interest in a black superman story. I'm tired of everyone trying to find ways to subvert the character or do something new and wacky with him. Apparently a guy not being white is wacky? You can certainly make a thing of it - really it'd work very well as further putting over that he and the Kents aren't related and about Clark needing to find his place if you wanted to go that route with it - but you really don't have to, it could easily be a cosmetic change that affects nothing. Within the context of Superman stories, yes, him being black is "wacky" as it changes a fundamental element of how the story goes. Obviously. That's why the people who ARE interested in this are so excited for it. Part of what I like about Superman is his blind spots. He believes in the good in people, believes that the world is a wonderful place, but sometimes he's a dumb white kid from Kansas who needs to have it explained to him that he doesn't always see the world clearly. I find that gap is his knowledge an interesting storytelling tool AND really endearing as a character. That and, once again, I'm just tired of Superman stories doing anything but just telling a regular old Superman story. It's been a long ass time since we just a had a nice, friendly guy out there punching alien space parasites.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 27, 2021 16:42:57 GMT -5
Yayyy, the inevitable culture war has already started! It's almost like that was the intention of the people who wrote the articles!
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 27, 2021 17:42:27 GMT -5
I'd like a story about a Kryptonian who just happened to be black. He also survived the explosion of the Kryptonian star and makes it to Earth several years after Superman. He's not Superman, but an entirely new character. The story could then be used to explore what kind of prejudice he'd face not only for being an alien, but also for being a black man with superhuman power. There could be another theme running through the story that by being white, Superman may get the benefit of the doubt by western civilisation more than someone of equal power and wholesomeness of character, just because the other Kryptonian is black. Superman himself would object to this. It could further be explored with black humans telling the new Kryptonian that while Superman protects the world from supervillains and natural disasters, they need protection from simply being killed by police for walking down the street, a concept that the black Kryptonian can barely comprehend until he observes human society in greater detail.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 17:59:37 GMT -5
I'd like a story about a Kryptonian who just happened to be black. He also survived the explosion of the Kryptonian star and makes it to Earth several years after Superman. He's not Superman, but an entirely new character. The story could then be used to explore what kind of prejudice he'd face not only for being an alien, but also for being a black man with superhuman power. There could be another theme running through the story that by being white, Superman may get the benefit of the doubt by western civilisation more than someone of equal power and wholesomeness of character, just because the other Kryptonian is black. Superman himself would object to this. It could further be explored with black humans telling the new Kryptonian that while Superman protects the world from supervillains and natural disasters, they need protection from simply being killed by police for walking down the street, a concept that the black Kryptonian can barely comprehend until he observes human society in greater detail. Oh man I would watch the shit out of that movie. It'd be interesting because like, how do you NOT flip out on the world when it's got THAT level of injustice against people like you? It would be even HARDER for that guy to be a good guy.
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Post by Fade on Feb 27, 2021 18:32:01 GMT -5
My uber-comics nerd friend (who happens to be black) posted this on his timeline: “ As long as JJ doesn’t give a version of Clark Kent that’s black I’m fine. I’d like to The Actual Earth 23 Superman Calvin Elias or Earth 2 Val Zod. Don’t change the race or Clark Kent to appease the fan base cause as a fan and a person of color it’s not   necessary. But that’s just my opinion” Was surprised to hear him have that take, honestly. Personally, I’m in the “f*** at least we get a new Superman flick” camp. I’m on board with Cavill getting a shot with a different director, I was ok with the idea of MBJ playing a black Clark Kent, I’m all for alternate universe supes, whatever. My biggest concern is the name “jj abrams” being involved.
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Post by Scoops on Feb 27, 2021 19:25:21 GMT -5
I'd be happy as hell for Jordan to be Superman as he's one of the most entertaining actors currently working but it would also continue the tradition of having whoever plays the human torch to be cast as the most important character in his respective comic book franchise.
I'm also fine with Abrams. Sure Star Wars was a train wreck but he really only seems to run into problems when making sequels. Superhero movies tend to be pretty derivative anyway, so him predictably reusing plot points from the Donnor movies won't be as annoying.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 27, 2021 20:00:09 GMT -5
Yea, this is going be a fun ride in seeing how people twist themselves in a pretzel saying Superman can't be black
It's a moniker, it is the name Clark Kent goes by but anyone can go by it
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 27, 2021 20:15:17 GMT -5
My uber-comics nerd friend (who happens to be black) posted this on his timeline: “ As long as JJ doesn’t give a version of Clark Kent that’s black I’m fine. I’d like to The Actual Earth 23 Superman Calvin Elias or Earth 2 Val Zod. Don’t change the race or Clark Kent to appease the fan base cause as a fan and a person of color it’s not   necessary. But that’s just my opinion” Was surprised to hear him have that take, honestly. Personally, I’m in the “f*** at least we get a new Superman flick” camp. I’m on board with Cavill getting a shot with a different director, I was ok with the idea of MBJ playing a black Clark Kent, I’m all for alternate universe supes, whatever. My biggest concern is the name “jj abrams” being involved. See, I said before that the best way for the DCCU to live is to not be beholden to present continuity and be allowed to be fleshed out. The Batman is a good example, so is Joker in a way and so’s this if they go this route. Let those people have at it and if you want to make another Clark Kent movie, go for it. The MCU is doing multiverse stuff, sure, but I’d say DC should go in the route of Infinite Frontier in the comics and see what filmmakers want to pitch work to do in that sandbox rather than be rigid to any sort of canon. Be adventurous is what I’m saying.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 27, 2021 20:17:45 GMT -5
My uber-comics nerd friend (who happens to be black) posted this on his timeline: “ As long as JJ doesn’t give a version of Clark Kent that’s black I’m fine. I’d like to The Actual Earth 23 Superman Calvin Elias or Earth 2 Val Zod. Don’t change the race or Clark Kent to appease the fan base cause as a fan and a person of color it’s not   necessary. But that’s just my opinion” Was surprised to hear him have that take, honestly. Personally, I’m in the “f*** at least we get a new Superman flick” camp. I’m on board with Cavill getting a shot with a different director, I was ok with the idea of MBJ playing a black Clark Kent, I’m all for alternate universe supes, whatever. My biggest concern is the name “jj abrams” being involved. See, I said before that the best way for the DCCU to live is to not be beholden to present continuity and be allowed to be fleshed out. The Batman is a good example, so is Joker in a way and so’s this if they go this route. Let those people have at it and if you want to make another Clark Kent movie, go for it. The MCU is doing multiverse stuff, sure, but I’d say DC should go in the route of Infinite Frontier in the comics and see what filmmakers want to pitch work to do in that sandbox rather than be rigid to any sort of canon. Be adventurous is what I’m saying. Yea, there is no real reason just because they are doing this doesn't mean you can't still do Cavill as Supes in other movies Keep your infinite crisis universe open since you have a shit ton of history to lean on
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 27, 2021 20:22:10 GMT -5
I agree. Instead of constraining things to a shared universe where everything has to connect, have a multiverse instead. And then you can build that up to a cinematic Crisis if you really want to have your big crossover movie.
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