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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 2, 2021 19:16:30 GMT -5
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Mar 3, 2021 2:56:32 GMT -5
This makes me think we need a trans Wonder Woman. *I may be saying that just so I can see Trace Lysette in that Wonder Woman outfit.  |
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 3, 2021 3:56:56 GMT -5
Oh man I would watch the shit out of that movie. It'd be interesting because like, how do you NOT flip out on the world when it's got THAT level of injustice against people like you? It would be even HARDER for that guy to be a good guy. Yeah, no. I’m black and I’d pass on watching that, sorry. It goes back to something Martellus Bennett once wrote on coming up with children’s stories and Black representations in media, there’s way too much focus on “struggle stories” and racial angst and it’s disproportionate to a much wider range of escapist media that characters of other races are allowed. Like, I get your heart’s in the right place when proposing that, but he pointed out “do I really want my kids to experience more racism in their fiction? When I write a story,I’m taking you (as in black readers) someplace amazing.” Like, give us a break for once and let’s try something simpler and fun instead. What DC needs is its predominantly black Guardians, a black Thor Ragnarok. That I’d pay money to watch. It's a balancing act. I appreciate and support the idea of fiction being escapist and in my own experience I never needed to personally identify with the racial traits of a character to enjoy those characters, even though I had nothing personally in common with any of them, but was able to connect with them via universal storytelling themes. Then again, simply recasting or rewriting Superman for example as a difference race without any further comment on the social or cultural response he might face in-universe might itself be subject to not unjustified critique such as colourwashing for the sake of cynically appealing to the same demographic. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 3, 2021 5:25:18 GMT -5
Here’s another reason for a Calvin Elias Superman movie...
It could eventually lead to the big screen debut of Captain Carrot.
Your honor, I rest my case.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 3, 2021 5:29:22 GMT -5
Yeah, no. I’m black and I’d pass on watching that, sorry. It goes back to something Martellus Bennett once wrote on coming up with children’s stories and Black representations in media, there’s way too much focus on “struggle stories” and racial angst and it’s disproportionate to a much wider range of escapist media that characters of other races are allowed. Like, I get your heart’s in the right place when proposing that, but he pointed out “do I really want my kids to experience more racism in their fiction? When I write a story,I’m taking you (as in black readers) someplace amazing.” Like, give us a break for once and let’s try something simpler and fun instead. What DC needs is its predominantly black Guardians, a black Thor Ragnarok. That I’d pay money to watch. It's a balancing act. I appreciate and support the idea of fiction being escapist and in my own experience I never needed to personally identify with the racial traits of a character to enjoy those characters, even though I had nothing personally in common with any of them, but was able to connect with them via universal storytelling themes. Then again, simply recasting or rewriting Superman for example as a difference race without any further comment on the social or cultural response he might face in-universe might itself be subject to not unjustified critique such as colourwashing for the sake of cynically appealing to the same demographic. No it wouldn’t, it’d just be a fun movie. Again, I’m sorry, but I’m not paying money to watch that. All I want is something entertaining, that’s it. If Spider-Verse can have minority characters and just allow them to be superheroes like normal, then no, DC shouldn’t be getting complaints for not making their black superhero film yet another hyper serious social issue flick. So f*** a “balancing act”, give me my black Thor Ragnarok already. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 3, 2021 14:07:11 GMT -5
It's a balancing act. I appreciate and support the idea of fiction being escapist and in my own experience I never needed to personally identify with the racial traits of a character to enjoy those characters, even though I had nothing personally in common with any of them, but was able to connect with them via universal storytelling themes. Then again, simply recasting or rewriting Superman for example as a difference race without any further comment on the social or cultural response he might face in-universe might itself be subject to not unjustified critique such as colourwashing for the sake of cynically appealing to the same demographic. No it wouldn’t, it’d just be a fun movie. Again, I’m sorry, but I’m not paying money to watch that. All I want is something entertaining, that’s it. If Spider-Verse can have minority characters and just allow them to be superheroes like normal, then no, DC shouldn’t be getting complaints for not making their black superhero film yet another hyper serious social issue flick. So f*** a “balancing act”, give me my black Thor Ragnarok already. Both can be done. X Men for example has been able to blend the two, addressing social issues while being entertaining. Plus, there is scope for more than one type of character. A fictional universe can have characters with a social dimension to them, and characters that don't. Then the consumer can decide for themselves which ones to watch. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 3, 2021 15:18:19 GMT -5
It's a balancing act. I appreciate and support the idea of fiction being escapist and in my own experience I never needed to personally identify with the racial traits of a character to enjoy those characters, even though I had nothing personally in common with any of them, but was able to connect with them via universal storytelling themes. Then again, simply recasting or rewriting Superman for example as a difference race without any further comment on the social or cultural response he might face in-universe might itself be subject to not unjustified critique such as colourwashing for the sake of cynically appealing to the same demographic. No it wouldn’t, it’d just be a fun movie. Again, I’m sorry, but I’m not paying money to watch that. All I want is something entertaining, that’s it. If Spider-Verse can have minority characters and just allow them to be superheroes like normal, then no, DC shouldn’t be getting complaints for not making their black superhero film yet another hyper serious social issue flick. So f*** a “balancing act”, give me my black Thor Ragnarok already. This is DC we're talking about. They are the masters of hyper serious...I don't know if I'd even call what Snyder does social, sooooo... |
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 3, 2021 18:36:48 GMT -5
It's a balancing act. I appreciate and support the idea of fiction being escapist and in my own experience I never needed to personally identify with the racial traits of a character to enjoy those characters, even though I had nothing personally in common with any of them, but was able to connect with them via universal storytelling themes. Then again, simply recasting or rewriting Superman for example as a difference race without any further comment on the social or cultural response he might face in-universe might itself be subject to not unjustified critique such as colourwashing for the sake of cynically appealing to the same demographic. No it wouldn’t, it’d just be a fun movie. Again, I’m sorry, but I’m not paying money to watch that. All I want is something entertaining, that’s it. If Spider-Verse can have minority characters and just allow them to be superheroes like normal, then no, DC shouldn’t be getting complaints for not making their black superhero film yet another hyper serious social issue flick. So f*** a “balancing act”, give me my black Thor Ragnarok already. I get where you're coming from. I love Magneto as a nuanced representative of my people, but it'd be exhausting if every Jewish fictional character fell back on the intergenerational trauma of the Holocaust and continued antisemitism since. Give me the Kitty Prydes and the Harley Quinns to balance that out. |
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Post by ronin705 on Mar 3, 2021 19:34:03 GMT -5
Yeah, black Superman is stupid outside of Morrison's clear joke character suring Obama's tenure as president. That character has no history as far as im concerned. Just keep Cavill, and keep ot moving smfh
Thia is turning johnny storm black levels of dumb and unnecessary
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 3, 2021 20:42:31 GMT -5
Yeah, black Superman is stupid outside of Morrison's clear joke character suring Obama's tenure as president. That character has no history as far as im concerned. Just keep Cavill, and keep ot moving smfh Thia is turning johnny storm black levels of dumb and unnecessary If they didn't have an Elseworld to use, I'd call this lazy writing too. I hate to be cynical but I don't doubt some people make such changes for attention. DC has many POC characters they can use...Jefferson Pierce. John Stewart GL. Jason Rusch as Firestorm. Cyborg may be tarnished by Ray Fisher, though. Use them, you have new characters to get over, which leads to expanding your cinematic universe and having more characters for the audience to get into. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 3, 2021 21:01:06 GMT -5
Yeah, black Superman is stupid outside of Morrison's clear joke character suring Obama's tenure as president. That character has no history as far as im concerned. Just keep Cavill, and keep ot moving smfh Thia is turning johnny storm black levels of dumb and unnecessary If they didn't have an Elseworld to use, I'd call this lazy writing too. I hate to be cynical but I don't doubt some people make such changes for attention. DC has many POC characters they can use...Jefferson Pierce. John Stewart GL. Jason Rusch as Firestorm. Cyborg may be tarnished by Ray Fisher, though. Use them, you have new characters to get over, which leads to expanding your cinematic universe and having more characters for the audience to get into. They have another actor playing Cyborg literally right now. Hell if Snyder didn't incite his cult people likely would have forgotten about Ray's Cyborg by now... |
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Post by cosmo on Mar 3, 2021 21:18:40 GMT -5
If they didn't have an Elseworld to use, I'd call this lazy writing too. I hate to be cynical but I don't doubt some people make such changes for attention. DC has many POC characters they can use...Jefferson Pierce. John Stewart GL. Jason Rusch as Firestorm. Cyborg may be tarnished by Ray Fisher, though. Use them, you have new characters to get over, which leads to expanding your cinematic universe and having more characters for the audience to get into. They have another actor playing Cyborg literally right now. Hell if Snyder didn't incite his cult people likely would have forgotten about Ray's Cyborg by now...
Hell, I would've forgotten Ray Fisher existed at all by now if it weren't for the Snyderverse thread keeping me updated on whatever stupid career-killing shit he said most recently.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 3, 2021 21:30:47 GMT -5
They have another actor playing Cyborg literally right now. Hell if Snyder didn't incite his cult people likely would have forgotten about Ray's Cyborg by now... Hell, I would've forgotten Ray Fisher existed at all by now if it weren't for the Snyderverse thread keeping me updated on whatever stupid career-killing shit he said most recently.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 4, 2021 8:33:17 GMT -5
Bumping to speculate... If WB was thinking of using Calvin Elias...might it be tarnished by the ending of {Spoiler}The Falcon Captain America and Winter Soldier? {Spoiler} As in people will see it as them "copying" Sam as Cap? |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 13:54:01 GMT -5
This makes me think we need a trans Wonder Woman. *I may be saying that just so I can see Trace Lysette in that Wonder Woman outfit. There's actually an amazing porno of that starring Chanel Santini. She's an even hotter Wonder Woman than Gal Gadot. |
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on May 5, 2021 1:37:03 GMT -5
This makes me think we need a trans Wonder Woman. *I may be saying that just so I can see Trace Lysette in that Wonder Woman outfit. There's actually an amazing porno of that starring Chanel Santini. She's an even hotter Wonder Woman than Gal Gadot. Oh yes, I'm very aware of this movie. Probably to the shock of no one. |
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Post by thechase on May 5, 2021 10:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 5, 2021 10:56:29 GMT -5
I'm cool with DC doubling down on the Elseworlds/multiverse idea.
That can be what it needs to differentiate itself from the MCU rather than copy it.
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Post by darbus alan on May 5, 2021 14:21:58 GMT -5
As much as I don't want to see him typecast into "that one Black blockbuster director," mostly so other Black directors get recognition, I'd love to see Ryan Coogler's directorial take on Superman.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 5, 2021 14:25:42 GMT -5
As much as I don't want to see him typecast into "that one Black blockbuster director," mostly so other Black directors get recognition, I'd love to see Ryan Coogler's directorial take on Superman. I'd love to see them take a chance on someone like Sheldon Candis who directed one (very good) movie and hasn't done a great amount since. But that movie was also an all star cast so he has an idea of how to play with bigger names. Look, Warner almost gave a blockbuster budget to Terence Nance, they can give Candis a shot. |
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