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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 12, 2021 0:35:14 GMT -5
He really does need the ultimate karmic retribution when this is thru. That's the thing in this, the longer this goes on, the bigger his downfall has to be. You'd almost have to literally kill off the character to make up the difference at this point and write him out when that happens. And even then... Would one thing like that be enough? Would people be demanding he gets booked at an enhancement talent for like a year and just get beaten all the time? It’s why I think Summerslam is a good point to end his run. It’d mark nearly a year since he won the belt and would just be a fitting point for his ultimate downfall.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 12, 2021 0:39:04 GMT -5
That's the thing in this, the longer this goes on, the bigger his downfall has to be. You'd almost have to literally kill off the character to make up the difference at this point and write him out when that happens. And even then... Would one thing like that be enough? Would people be demanding he gets booked at an enhancement talent for like a year and just get beaten all the time? It’s why I think Summerslam is a good point to end his run. It’d mark nearly a year since he won the belt and would just be a fitting point for his ultimate downfall. It would, but the more info comes out about all these big matches they want to do with him with Cena and Rock and all that stuff up to the next WrestleMania, I'm like... Is he even losing this thing for another year yet? It's why I have a bit of difficulty correlating the, as quoted before, "single pie in the face" in contrast to the long overall arc of this run. Basically, how effective would the metaphorical pie in the face actually be when you know damn well in the back of your mind that he ain't losing this thing until... what, SummerSlam 2022 or something if they want to do the Rock match at WM38?
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Post by Chiral on Jun 12, 2021 0:56:57 GMT -5
It’s why I think Summerslam is a good point to end his run. It’d mark nearly a year since he won the belt and would just be a fitting point for his ultimate downfall. It would, but the more info comes out about all these big matches they want to do with him with Cena and Rock and all that stuff up to the next WrestleMania, I'm like... Is he even losing this thing for another year yet? It's why I have a bit of difficulty correlating the, as quoted before, "single pie in the face" in contrast to the long overall arc of this run. Basically, how effective would the metaphorical pie in the face actually be when you know damn well in the back of your mind that he ain't losing this thing until... what, SummerSlam 2022 or something if they want to do the Rock match at WM38? Well for me personally a pie in the face would be a brief reprieve from this dude just winning everything over and over, whether it's matches or segments. If he just keeps winning and winning and winning all the way to the Rock next year Smackdown is effectively pointless if they're gonna continue not giving him even slight narrative adversity. If he literally only gets one pie in the face for the entirety of this thing going all the way to next year with Rock that'd suck too. I just want him to be vulnerable sometimes. Even Reign of Terror HHH looked like a doofus sometimes and got his ass beat. Reigns shook off a 2 on 1 kendo stick beatdown tonight like it was nothing, it wouldn't have hurt at all to have Rey and Dom best him tonight.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 12, 2021 4:46:09 GMT -5
He really does need the ultimate karmic retribution when this is thru. He’ll turn babyface, it’s the pro wrestling way.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 12, 2021 4:49:12 GMT -5
I don't mind if he doesn't get Hogan vs Goldberg'd, but it'd be nice if he got Hogan vs Luger'd, at least. Make him have to regroup, even if it's only a hurdle.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 12, 2021 5:12:12 GMT -5
I don't mind if he doesn't get Hogan vs Goldberg'd, but it'd be nice if he got Hogan vs Luger'd, at least. Make him have to regroup, even if it's only a hurdle. I think there's no harm in that, to be honest. Like, you can make someone with a surprise title win and then have the rematch be Roman trying a different tac to get the belt back. As long as the Luger stand-in isn't dropped down the card like a rock afterwards, I mean.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 12, 2021 5:18:35 GMT -5
I don't mind if he doesn't get Hogan vs Goldberg'd, but it'd be nice if he got Hogan vs Luger'd, at least. Make him have to regroup, even if it's only a hurdle. I think there's no harm in that, to be honest. Like, you can make someone with a surprise title win and then have the rematch be Roman trying a different tac to get the belt back. As long as the Luger stand-in isn't dropped down the card like a rock afterwards, I mean. Cesaro would have been good for it. Hell, Owens wouldn't have been terrible for that at one point. Naturally, they probably blew any chance of either being good for it, and are risking having the top angle in the company go sour, but if WWE can figure out how to let a face have teeth for five minutes, they could get more life out of this program yet.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 12, 2021 5:19:55 GMT -5
I mentioned this in the Smackdown thread, but when John Cena got attacked in a feud, he at least sold some moves and stayed down. Brock was the Beast Incarnate, unstoppable, an elite combat athlete, a freaking monster, and he sold like crazy.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 12, 2021 5:30:15 GMT -5
He really does need the ultimate karmic retribution when this is thru. That's the thing in this, the longer this goes on, the bigger his downfall has to be. You'd almost have to literally kill off the character to make up the difference at this point and write him out when that happens. And even then... Would one thing like that be enough? Would people be demanding he gets booked as an enhancement talent for like a year and just get beaten all the time? It's getting to the point where the Usos conchairto-ing him into oblivion and leaving him laying is just about gon a be enough
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 12, 2021 8:18:08 GMT -5
I mentioned this in the Smackdown thread, but when John Cena got attacked in a feud, he at least sold some moves and stayed down. Brock was the Beast Incarnate, unstoppable, an elite combat athlete, a freaking monster, and he sold like crazy. Hell, the last time we saw Brock in a WWE ring, he was eating Claymores left and right to make Drew Mac look like a million bucks.
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Post by Legion on Jun 12, 2021 8:23:26 GMT -5
They arent going to do anything close to him getting beat until a crowd is back to bay for it
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 12, 2021 15:55:02 GMT -5
They arent going to do anything close to him getting beat until a crowd is back to bay for it Of course, we did have crowds back for Mania 37, and that ended with Roman literally stacking his two foes on top of one another to pin them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 17:02:02 GMT -5
I don't mind if he doesn't get Hogan vs Goldberg'd, but it'd be nice if he got Hogan vs Luger'd, at least. Make him have to regroup, even if it's only a hurdle. Make it Dominik. I'm kinda serious.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 12, 2021 17:14:14 GMT -5
It's interesting that there's a difference in perception of it too, like I wish I could enjoy this run as a dude just running everything and god mode-ing it but the narrative just isn't holding it up for me. Roman's bringing his AAA game but creative's bringing their D- game. I think I want his mob boss stuff to have more like Breaking Bad in it, like Walt had swagger when things were going his way but he was covering up all his insecurities and was under constant threat. Like what is Roman even running right now? It's just like he sits in his room and watches Smackdown and nobody really bugs him or cares. His empire is basically being champion and gaslighting the Usos. What threats does he really even have? He laughs them off anyways and wins easily now. Rey doesn't even want his belt, he just wants to avenge his son. It's WEIRD.
I know I post about it a lot but it's just so interesting how like narratively weird it is for a guy to just run roughshod THIS much narratively unscathed and that's in a company with Brock Lesnar and John Cena.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 12, 2021 17:15:07 GMT -5
I don't mind if he doesn't get Hogan vs Goldberg'd, but it'd be nice if he got Hogan vs Luger'd, at least. Make him have to regroup, even if it's only a hurdle. Make it Dominik. I'm kinda serious. Yeah, even if he doesn't beat him for the title, obviously, a flash pin on Roman or at least making him work for it like Cena's debut versus Kurt would at least feel like something.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 12, 2021 17:36:19 GMT -5
It's interesting that there's a difference in perception of it too, like I wish I could enjoy this run as a dude just running everything and god mode-ing it but the narrative just isn't holding it up for me. Roman's bringing his AAA game but creative's bringing their D- game. I think I want his mob boss stuff to have more like Breaking Bad in it, like Walt had swagger when things were going his way but he was covering up all his insecurities and was under constant threat. Like what is Roman even running right now? It's just like he sits in his room and watches Smackdown and nobody really bugs him or cares. His empire is basically being champion and gaslighting the Usos. What threats does he really even have? He laughs them off anyways and wins easily now. Rey doesn't even want his belt, he just wants to avenge his son. It's WEIRD. I know I post about it a lot but it's just so interesting how like narratively weird it is for a guy to just run roughshod THIS much narratively unscathed and that's in a company with Brock Lesnar and John Cena. Pro wrestling has the capacity to create a character with the depth and intrigue of Walter White, but WWE sure as shit doesn't
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Post by Fade on Jun 12, 2021 18:13:09 GMT -5
It's interesting that there's a difference in perception of it too, like I wish I could enjoy this run as a dude just running everything and god mode-ing it but the narrative just isn't holding it up for me. Roman's bringing his AAA game but creative's bringing their D- game. I think I want his mob boss stuff to have more like Breaking Bad in it, like Walt had swagger when things were going his way but he was covering up all his insecurities and was under constant threat. Like what is Roman even running right now? It's just like he sits in his room and watches Smackdown and nobody really bugs him or cares. His empire is basically being champion and gaslighting the Usos. What threats does he really even have? He laughs them off anyways and wins easily now. Rey doesn't even want his belt, he just wants to avenge his son. It's WEIRD. I know I post about it a lot but it's just so interesting how like narratively weird it is for a guy to just run roughshod THIS much narratively unscathed and that's in a company with Brock Lesnar and John Cena. I’ve thought the same and it’s made me hearken back to when he broke down crying in that one match against Jey. It doesn’t matter if it was “for show” or a genuine “breakdown” for the character, but it was compelling. They’ve missed the boat on showing the cracks in Roman’s character.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 12, 2021 21:22:15 GMT -5
It's interesting that there's a difference in perception of it too, like I wish I could enjoy this run as a dude just running everything and god mode-ing it but the narrative just isn't holding it up for me. Roman's bringing his AAA game but creative's bringing their D- game. I think I want his mob boss stuff to have more like Breaking Bad in it, like Walt had swagger when things were going his way but he was covering up all his insecurities and was under constant threat. Like what is Roman even running right now? It's just like he sits in his room and watches Smackdown and nobody really bugs him or cares. His empire is basically being champion and gaslighting the Usos. What threats does he really even have? He laughs them off anyways and wins easily now. Rey doesn't even want his belt, he just wants to avenge his son. It's WEIRD. I know I post about it a lot but it's just so interesting how like narratively weird it is for a guy to just run roughshod THIS much narratively unscathed and that's in a company with Brock Lesnar and John Cena. I’ve thought the same and it’s made me hearken back to when he broke down crying in that one match against Jey. It doesn’t matter if it was “for show” or a genuine “breakdown” for the character, but it was compelling. They’ve missed the boat on showing the cracks in Roman’s character. Yeah, this started great because the Jey feud basically showed Roman's entire I'm the head of the family stuff was a lie and his facade was cracking. Since then he's literally did nothing or had anything approaching that level of depth to his character... Him losing at Mania even for like a month, him losing one of the several hundred matches against Owens... hell setup something with Roman mocking Seth for how Cesaro made him look stupid and that he'd never be in that position and then let Cesaro do it to him... But we're kinda getting way beyond that and he needs to lose BIG at this point for this to be satisfying at all and I don't see the WWE doing what needs to be done to salvage this any time soon.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 12, 2021 21:49:38 GMT -5
I’ve thought the same and it’s made me hearken back to when he broke down crying in that one match against Jey. It doesn’t matter if it was “for show” or a genuine “breakdown” for the character, but it was compelling. They’ve missed the boat on showing the cracks in Roman’s character. Yeah, this started great because the Jey feud basically showed Roman's entire I'm the head of the family stuff was a lie and his facade was cracking. Since then he's literally did nothing or had anything approaching that level of depth to his character... Him losing at Mania even for like a month, him losing one of the several hundred matches against Owens... hell setup something with Roman mocking Seth for how Cesaro made him look stupid and that he'd never be in that position and then let Cesaro do it to him... But we're kinda getting way beyond that and he needs to lose BIG at this point for this to be satisfying at all and I don't see the WWE doing what needs to be done to salvage this any time soon. It's really to the point where the guy who defeats Reigns has to be someone who just continually gets the better of Roman, to the point where Roman's usual psychological warfare just doesn't work and this wrestler just beats him at every turn.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 13, 2021 17:49:49 GMT -5
Yeah, this started great because the Jey feud basically showed Roman's entire I'm the head of the family stuff was a lie and his facade was cracking. Since then he's literally did nothing or had anything approaching that level of depth to his character... Him losing at Mania even for like a month, him losing one of the several hundred matches against Owens... hell setup something with Roman mocking Seth for how Cesaro made him look stupid and that he'd never be in that position and then let Cesaro do it to him... But we're kinda getting way beyond that and he needs to lose BIG at this point for this to be satisfying at all and I don't see the WWE doing what needs to be done to salvage this any time soon. It's really to the point where the guy who defeats Reigns has to be someone who just continually gets the better of Roman, to the point where Roman's usual psychological warfare just doesn't work and this wrestler just beats him at every turn. There’s only a couple of people who have won feuds against Roman in recent years. And I really don’t picture Miz being the one to take him down, for example. Brock might, but would anyone want that?
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