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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 14, 2021 20:29:10 GMT -5
The WWE has had a character development problem for years. When a character hits a place they're comfortable with they just don't do anything else to advance it and just try to do their branding stuff. It's a big reason the shows are stale. Yeah, it's kind of like the jokes about Michael Cole yelling "It's BOSS time!", because the underlying question is "what does that mean?" I'm sure there's been times they've dipped their toes into that, but by and large it's just a t-shirt brand rather than something they use to color Sasha's motivations and story arcs. It's not to say every other promotion nails this every time; there's plenty of "and then" in other promotions, too, it happens. But the issue is when it's the default storytelling style in your main event scene. Especially when the people on the other end of the and then. Are tossed aside. Owens looks like a choke artist that can't figure out Jey or Heyman are going to interfere. Cesaro looks like a chump that shouldn't be in the same company as Roman,Jey or Seth and is banished to the shadow realm. Finn debuts this new hulk up technique and it immediately fails so the whole gimmick they were using for him is basically dead to the point they basically ignore his time on Smackdown... Edge comes back and called a megastar that was forced to retire... and the Roman feud pretty solidly placed him in as just another guy on the roster position They all could have lost and still been treated as threats or not lost all their momentum.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 14, 2021 20:45:37 GMT -5
Yeah, it's kind of like the jokes about Michael Cole yelling "It's BOSS time!", because the underlying question is "what does that mean?" I'm sure there's been times they've dipped their toes into that, but by and large it's just a t-shirt brand rather than something they use to color Sasha's motivations and story arcs. It's not to say every other promotion nails this every time; there's plenty of "and then" in other promotions, too, it happens. But the issue is when it's the default storytelling style in your main event scene. Especially when the people on the other end of the and then. Are tossed aside. Owens looks like a choke artist that can't figure out Jey or Heyman are going to interfere. Cesaro looks like a chump that shouldn't be in the same company as Roman,Jey or Seth and is banished to the shadow realm. Finn debuts this new hulk up technique and it immediately fails so the whole gimmick they were using for him is basically dead to the point they basically ignore his time on Smackdown... Edge comes back and called a megastar that was forced to retire... and the Roman feud pretty solidly placed him in as just another guy on the roster position They all could have lost and still been treated as threats or not lost all their momentum. Yeah, those folks need their own “therefore”s, too. Again, no company nails it every time: Okada’s record setting title reign in NJPW included defenses against, say, Bad Luck Fale, where the entire point was “here’s a large obstacle Okada has to survive”, but even then there was a therefore: Okada beat The Underboss, so now, all full of himself, he challenges Fale’s faction leader Omega to a rematch to prove his first win against him wasn’t a fluke. Not much of a story progression for Fale, but at least a purpose was served more generally.
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Nov 14, 2021 21:37:28 GMT -5
WWE are 20,000 leagues under misery booking they can't even have a feel good ending on something like Tribute to the Troops.
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Post by Chiral on Nov 15, 2021 0:24:42 GMT -5
Given all the replies to that tweet that are just pics of Roman in the crown (or I guess look at any tweet on WWE's account about him it's probably all the same), it really feels like the people still in on this are enjoying him as a cool heel and don't care if it's the same thing over and over infinitely as long as it's just Roman receiving an increasing series of W's.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 15, 2021 1:59:53 GMT -5
Especially when the people on the other end of the and then. Are tossed aside. Owens looks like a choke artist that can't figure out Jey or Heyman are going to interfere. Cesaro looks like a chump that shouldn't be in the same company as Roman,Jey or Seth and is banished to the shadow realm. Finn debuts this new hulk up technique and it immediately fails so the whole gimmick they were using for him is basically dead to the point they basically ignore his time on Smackdown... Edge comes back and called a megastar that was forced to retire... and the Roman feud pretty solidly placed him in as just another guy on the roster position They all could have lost and still been treated as threats or not lost all their momentum. Yeah, those folks need their own “therefore”s, too. Again, no company nails it every time: Okada’s record setting title reign in NJPW included defenses against, say, Bad Luck Fale, where the entire point was “here’s a large obstacle Okada has to survive”, but even then there was a therefore: Okada beat The Underboss, so now, all full of himself, he challenges Fale’s faction leader Omega to a rematch to prove his first win against him wasn’t a fluke. Not much of a story progression for Fale, but at least a purpose was served more generally. It didn't provide a ton of progression for Fale, but he was also positioned as the goon stepping stone so that Okada could get to the higher guy up in the faction, and when New Japan builds up stuff like this there's typically other feuds within the two factions that help underline things and give more sense of meaning to it. Fale being the stepping stone but still being at least sort of a threat also helps add stakes to the guy further up the line. Like, say Roman beats Woods and punks him with his crown, but then Big E, his main event friend, storms in ready to stand up for his friend and take Roman's title. Say Big E goes through one of the Usos in a similar fashion and the idea is that these two main event dudes need to fight each other, and help cancel out some of the dreary HEAT of the Woods finish. Say that Kofi and Woods show up by Big E's side to help neutralize the Usos and get Big E the title, and--oh wait no it turns out Big E won another belt somewhere else, this feud has no stakes or meaning, they're barely bothering with anything, and Woods will be busy being on a team at Survivor Series. Because of course there's no actual purpose or plan, and nothing is being done with any real end goal.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 15, 2021 8:26:59 GMT -5
WWE are 20,000 leagues under misery booking they can't even have a feel good ending on something like Tribute to the Troops. That’s hilarious.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 17, 2021 8:47:11 GMT -5
I love the Rock as much as the next gal but surely the payoff to this isn't a match with Rock. Right? Why wouldn't it be. They're not selling to you and me, they're selling to suits, and having one of the biggest stars in Hollywood show up and fight their biggest star will get them all kinds of pub.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 17, 2021 9:55:36 GMT -5
I love the Rock as much as the next gal but surely the payoff to this isn't a match with Rock. Right? Why wouldn't it be. They're not selling to you and me, they're selling to suits, and having one of the biggest stars in Hollywood show up and fight their biggest star will get them all kinds of pub. why would one of the biggest movie stars on the planet lower himself to facing the "big dog" who can't even outdraw a Bunny
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 17, 2021 10:02:13 GMT -5
Why wouldn't it be. They're not selling to you and me, they're selling to suits, and having one of the biggest stars in Hollywood show up and fight their biggest star will get them all kinds of pub. why would one of the biggest movie stars on the planet lower himself to facing the "big dog" who can't even outdraw a Bunny Because they’re related. …there’s not much more to it unless you want me to make a Hobbs and Shaw connection.
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Post by The Creepo Man on Nov 17, 2021 10:09:34 GMT -5
Why wouldn't it be. They're not selling to you and me, they're selling to suits, and having one of the biggest stars in Hollywood show up and fight their biggest star will get them all kinds of pub. why would one of the biggest movie stars on the planet lower himself to facing the "big dog" who can't even outdraw a Bunny Not even the Bunny who hates being called a “doll”?
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 17, 2021 10:15:00 GMT -5
why would one of the biggest movie stars on the planet lower himself to facing the "big dog" who can't even outdraw a Bunny Because they’re related. …there’s not much more to it unless you want me to make a Hobbs and Shaw connection. Powerhouse Hobbs and DexterSamuel Shaw will have their moment as tag champions one day, damnit.
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Post by sunnytaker on Nov 17, 2021 10:22:45 GMT -5
actually i think Big E might actually win at survivor series since 1) roman's title isn;t on the line and 2) woods can come in as a distraction to cost roman the match to further their program and give roman a reason to agree to a title match with woods post survivor series. "you cost me my win so now you have to pay but if you're too scared to face the tribal chief i'll even put the belt on the line because that's how sure i am i'll beat you." then LOLRomanwins as usual
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 17, 2021 14:21:12 GMT -5
Why wouldn't it be. They're not selling to you and me, they're selling to suits, and having one of the biggest stars in Hollywood show up and fight their biggest star will get them all kinds of pub. why would one of the biggest movie stars on the planet lower himself to facing the "big dog" who can't even outdraw a Bunny Rock gets to play pro wrestler while helping out a relative of his.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Nov 17, 2021 14:28:01 GMT -5
f***ed up of Tribute To The Troops to end on Roman Reigns spearing Uncle Sam out of his big silly boots
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 17, 2021 14:30:51 GMT -5
They'll end the Christmas episode with Roman standing tall over Santa
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 17, 2021 15:08:32 GMT -5
WWE are 20,000 leagues under misery booking they can't even have a feel good ending on something like Tribute to the Troops. Would’ve been super funny if Tribute to the Troops ended with Roman getting beaten up by soldiers and thrown throw a table.
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 17, 2021 17:30:50 GMT -5
WWE are 20,000 leagues under misery booking they can't even have a feel good ending on something like Tribute to the Troops. Would’ve been super funny if Tribute to the Troops ended with Roman getting beaten up by soldiers and thrown throw a table. Does he later forfeits the belt after fighting 77 Marine Thugs?
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Nov 21, 2021 23:41:29 GMT -5
Why yes, having the guy who's been Universal Champion for over a year beat the current WWE champion for the 3rd time in the same goddamn year is exciting and not at all stupid.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 21, 2021 23:42:01 GMT -5
Hooray for jobbing out the entirety of SmackDown just to make it clear that Roman is literally the only person on it who matters.
Also at this point the WWE Championship is basically utterly worthless. At every single turn it ALWAYS plays second fiddle to the Universal title.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Nov 21, 2021 23:42:49 GMT -5
I'm still happy with the Tribal Chief's run. Not looking forward to yet another Brock match, though.
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