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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 3, 2022 23:59:08 GMT -5
When someone beats Reigns they’re gonna make a new big star!
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 4, 2022 0:01:27 GMT -5
40+ years ago, you could get away with these kinds of lengthy title runs simply by virtue of how differently media was consumed and how there was far less of it to consume. And even then, you weren't showcasing your top stars constantly. You didn't have hours upon hours of weekly content that demanded the constant presence of your top stars. Things like closed-circuit TV and PPV were not the proven commodities they'd eventually become to the pro wrestling business. It was such a different climate and you could get away with guys like Bruno, Pedro, Backlund, et al having these super-long runs without burning out your fanbase. But now we do have the aforementioned hours of weekly content with the top stars constantly being featured. We do have 12 or more PPVs I'm sorry, premium events, a year. Which means the demand for content alone has caused them to burn through every credible opponent for Roman several times over over the course of what is right now a 19-month title reign with no end in sight. It's not compelling storytelling. It's lazy, tedious, and downright boring. I feel like Roman really came into his own with this character. He's the most comfortable he's ever been in the ring and on the mic. The first few months of storytelling were just classic and absolutely on point. Then they decided that telling a good story was just too hard, and now we have this. Roman isn't even anywhere close to that kind of reign, but if you think 19+ defenses are too many, imagine if it went on for 7 more years, when he'd be looking at Bruno numbers. People's issue with Roman stems from a couple of factors, no real story-line directive, legit problem. The concept the fans created of "thank you" runs and the idea belts are props. Roman really could be doing this whole storyline away from the title, which is a problem, but the alternative creates a new problem, the belts are just swapping between guys for no reason. But hey, at least with a revolving door of title holders, your favorite might be champion for 6 meaningless weeks. At least now the title is held by someone it's worth beating and isn't that the whole point of a champion, in anything, in the first place?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 0:03:18 GMT -5
Man...
I didn't care who won to be honest. Both dudes have had super pushes that dominated the roster this past decade and Lesnar winning wasn't going to change that aspect, it would just be siphoned to him instead of Reigns and the only way that was going to happen would be if they had a big match planned for him next year as he's a part-timer. That's just how it goes. Brock's dope at being the happy smiling joking babyface but as a champion I don't care how happy he is, he'd be dominating people the same as Reigns and nah, I ain't giving him a pass for that, just because I like him in that role.
As for Reigns I'm still going to assume that they're still planning on that Rock match next year. I hope they aren't doing it for the title but knowing this company and yeah, they will. If they can hook us up with some dope feuds again for him then hey we got some stuff cooking even if he does win. Seth would be a dope feud, Cody would be a really dope feud, you've got Owens and shit even Zayn, there's a lot of guys who can go with him so I'm interested. With him holding 2 belts that just opens the playing field. We've got Orton out there too, Randy and Reigns would be fire given they'd improved so much from that Summerslam 2014 match.
So yeah, I can see why people would dislike Reigns winning but I'm saying if it's Lesnar? Eh, I don't care. Lemme see who else he can face for it.
Lastly, for all of the "Reigns has been holding it too long" comments. Bruh, Lesnar's reign over the title when he was running roughshod these past few years equals up to being world champion for 1163 total days. It just wasn't 1 long reign like Reigns is having now but if you look at that reign? He held one title for 223 days, another for 184 days, another for 503 days, another for 156 days and then the small stuff too and in that entire time he was doing far worse than Reigns is now. I remember the comments about Lesnar being lazy, I remember him squashing guys, I remember the stuff about him being boring. Lesnar getting the title again here would just be a continuation except in this case he's a part-timer squashing guys who makes you laugh more and if you think that's more important than having the champion on the show, being more vulnerable (because Reigns is more vulnerable than Lesnar is) and such then shit. I don't know what to say but that's trash.
So yeah, I can easily see how and why Reigns is bad is bad for a lot of people. I get it.
But we can't be forgetting how Brock was during his reign. Brock's the one guy who's actually a worse champion than Roman Reigns is.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Apr 4, 2022 0:06:52 GMT -5
To repeat a different post.
Who cares about those nobodies when WWE just got Cody 'Literally a bigger deal than Hogan' Rhodes
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 4, 2022 0:07:47 GMT -5
Man... I didn't care who won to be honest. Both dudes have had super pushes that dominated the roster this past decade and Lesnar winning wasn't going to change that aspect, it would just be siphoned to him instead of Reigns and the only way that was going to happen would be if they had a big match planned for him next year as he's a part-timer. That's just how it goes. Brock's dope at being the happy smiling joking babyface but as a champion I don't care how happy he is, he'd be dominating people the same as Reigns and nah, I ain't giving him a pass for that, just because I like him in that role. As for Reigns I'm still going to assume that they're still planning on that Rock match next year. I hope they aren't doing it for the title but knowing this company and yeah, they will. If they can hook us up with some dope feuds again for him then hey we got some stuff cooking even if he does win. Seth would be a dope feud, Cody would be a really dope feud, you've got Owens and shit even Zayn, there's a lot of guys who can go with him so I'm interested. With him holding 2 belts that just opens the playing field. We've got Orton out there too, Randy and Reigns would be fire given they'd improved so much from that Summerslam 2014 match. So yeah, I can see why people would dislike Reigns winning but I'm saying if it's Lesnar? Eh, I don't care. Lemme see who else he can face for it. Lastly, for all of the "Reigns has been holding it too long" commenst. Bruh, Lesnar's reign over the title when he was running roughshod these past few years equals up to being world champion for 1163 total days. It just wasn't 1 long reign like Reigns is having now but if you look at that reign? He held one title for 223 days, another for 184 days, another for 503 days, another for 156 days and then the small stuff too and in that entire time he was doing far worse than Reigns is now. I remember the comments about Lesnar being lazy, I remember him squashing guys, I remember the stuff about him being boring. So yeah, I can easily see how and why Reigns is bad is bad for a lot of people. I get it. But we can't be forgetting how Brock was during his reign. I GET it was a lose-lose situation, ideally I would have had Brock win, big feel good moment, then someone beats Brock the next night even, and we set up a triple threat where we see a new, reinvigorated Roman, an angry beast, and the new champion, and you have a great looking WrestleMania: Backlash main event imo.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 4, 2022 0:12:05 GMT -5
Y'all know if Austin agreed to do it, Vince would give him the title in a heartbeat.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 4, 2022 0:14:19 GMT -5
The reign should have ended like a year ago because now they have this historically long run that they feel like they can't end without having someone major to put over who will be there for the long term that would be made by that one match...but they don't have that person or are unwilling to set someone up for that position, at least right now. They don't have an off ramp. I don't see how they take the title off of him before next year's Mania and man, that's depressing.
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Post by Venti on Apr 4, 2022 0:29:56 GMT -5
[The year is 2050, Roman Reigns has been undefeated for three decades, and has been the reigning NXT NA, NXT UK, NXT, 24/7, US, IC, Universal, and WWE champion since the mid-2020s]Roman apologists: "He still needs this next win to truly cement himself." I'm not a f***ing "Roman apologist". I am a fan of his. I can have my opinion about it. I'm with you dude, I love Roman and am enjoying the hell out of his title run.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 0:31:56 GMT -5
Man... I didn't care who won to be honest. Both dudes have had super pushes that dominated the roster this past decade and Lesnar winning wasn't going to change that aspect, it would just be siphoned to him instead of Reigns and the only way that was going to happen would be if they had a big match planned for him next year as he's a part-timer. That's just how it goes. Brock's dope at being the happy smiling joking babyface but as a champion I don't care how happy he is, he'd be dominating people the same as Reigns and nah, I ain't giving him a pass for that, just because I like him in that role. As for Reigns I'm still going to assume that they're still planning on that Rock match next year. I hope they aren't doing it for the title but knowing this company and yeah, they will. If they can hook us up with some dope feuds again for him then hey we got some stuff cooking even if he does win. Seth would be a dope feud, Cody would be a really dope feud, you've got Owens and shit even Zayn, there's a lot of guys who can go with him so I'm interested. With him holding 2 belts that just opens the playing field. We've got Orton out there too, Randy and Reigns would be fire given they'd improved so much from that Summerslam 2014 match. So yeah, I can see why people would dislike Reigns winning but I'm saying if it's Lesnar? Eh, I don't care. Lemme see who else he can face for it. Lastly, for all of the "Reigns has been holding it too long" commenst. Bruh, Lesnar's reign over the title when he was running roughshod these past few years equals up to being world champion for 1163 total days. It just wasn't 1 long reign like Reigns is having now but if you look at that reign? He held one title for 223 days, another for 184 days, another for 503 days, another for 156 days and then the small stuff too and in that entire time he was doing far worse than Reigns is now. I remember the comments about Lesnar being lazy, I remember him squashing guys, I remember the stuff about him being boring. So yeah, I can easily see how and why Reigns is bad is bad for a lot of people. I get it. But we can't be forgetting how Brock was during his reign. I GET it was a lose-lose situation, ideally I would have had Brock win, big feel good moment, then someone beats Brock the next night even, and we set up a triple threat where we see a new, reinvigorated Roman, an angry beast, and the new champion, and you have a great looking WrestleMania: Backlash main event imo. I see your position but I just disagree. The issue is that the only people they've let beat Lesnar clean for a title since he's returned are Reigns, McIntyre, Goldberg and Rollins so yeah, in theory someone could beat Lesnar the next night for the belt if he won tonight. The problem is that from a booking standpoint nobody else is built up for it to do it in a clean fashion, they'd have to cheat. With Reigns on the other hand, he's kept the title numerous times by shenanigans including tonight so it's easy to write a way for someone to beat him. You just take out the Usos and Heyman. With Lesnar, the guy's a tank by himself so it's a different story. Like, Owens almost became world champion had shenanigans not happened, he had Reigns beaten. I doubt that'd happen with Lesnar.
I agree, they gotta freshen things up for the title scene and Reigns but I just don't think Lesnar was the beacon for that.
We've got Raw coming up so we'll see what happens. With that said, maybe the midcard titles will be elevated again. I really got no idea what's gonna happen with us only having 1 world title for now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 0:38:53 GMT -5
When someone beats Reigns they’re gonna make a new big star! to be fair there is the possibility honestly him losing to Brock tonight would’ve been just a continuation of the worst stuff that was happening before he went on this run
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 4, 2022 1:06:58 GMT -5
Lastly, for all of the "Reigns has been holding it too long" comments. Bruh, Lesnar's reign over the title when he was running roughshod these past few years equals up to being world champion for 1163 total days. It just wasn't 1 long reign like Reigns is having now but if you look at that reign? He held one title for 223 days, another for 184 days, another for 503 days, another for 156 days and then the small stuff too and in that entire time he was doing far worse than Reigns is now. I remember the comments about Lesnar being lazy, I remember him squashing guys, I remember the stuff about him being boring. Lesnar getting the title again here would just be a continuation except in this case he's a part-timer squashing guys who makes you laugh more and if you think that's more important than having the champion on the show, being more vulnerable (because Reigns is more vulnerable than Lesnar is) and such then shit. I don't know what to say but that's trash. So yeah, I can easily see how and why Reigns is bad is bad for a lot of people. I get it. But we can't be forgetting how Brock was during his reign. Brock's the one guy who's actually a worse champion than Roman Reigns is. Ultimately it's putting a different face on the same problem: these super long reigns overexpose the champion. There has to be a happy medium between ridiculous hotshotting of the titles and having a competitive main event scene, because one guy dominating for as long as Brock and Roman have been isn't working.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Apr 4, 2022 1:12:15 GMT -5
At the very least, if Roman had to win, the image of the big new signing Cody Rhodes staring him down, maybe even getting the upper hand would've been a hell of a way to send the fans home happy.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Apr 4, 2022 1:33:12 GMT -5
This story is like the number 1 rule at Dracula's house: no stakes!
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Post by Chiral on Apr 4, 2022 1:33:29 GMT -5
If I was booking tonight and had the hard set "Roman has to win this," I'd very much play up "this is Brock out for blood." Brock screaming "BLOOD FOR BLOOD ROMAN I'M COMIN FOR BLOOD!!!!" should have been the tone going into the match. He gets a no DQ match, and they make it clear that normally Brock's the top of the mountain guy looking down as he fights off people without much threat, but this is him ready to kill and he wipes the floor with Roman, the Usos, some payoff for Heyman within the amount of physicality he can take. The ringside area and ring are obliterated as Reigns finally faces down something that makes him face some consequence for his actions: an enraged beast Brock Lesnar. Like this I wrote from a year ago: Here's something they could do that I'd dig; Roman needs the kind of moment like Orton got against Cactus Jack in 04. Like this moment right here: For months and months Orton called out Foley, beat up Foley, spat in his face, beat him at Wrestlemania. It all fed into his cocky unbeatable personality. But then he woke up Cactus Jack, and still thought he could go at the same level in a hardcore match as him. Then in this moment it wasn't about him besting this old loser anymore, it was about him surviving. Foley beat his ass up and down for the rest of the match and it was so cathartic. Orton still won the match and held the IC title for months after, but he wasn't the same guy anymore after the match. He needs that ass beating character level up moment. Not specifically that he needs to fall on thumbtacks or get beat up in a hardcore match but he needs some kind of threat that actually forces him past that like "I'm the best nobody can beat me you're all losers told you I'd win STACK EM UP" stuff. Reigns gets brutalized as much as WWE can allow in a hardcore match today, hell, maybe even go past that, it'd be shocking if in bloodless WWE Reigns gets busted open and thrown through weapons more than just chairs and kendo sticks. Brock gets revenge in like the WM31 match on steroids, but in going too long with it the tides turn in Reigns' favor for just a moment, either he's overwhelmed by all the interference and maybe a new Bloodline member arrives to turn the tide, just a big schmozz to take down Brock, giving Roman a glimpse of a moment to sneak the win, but it isn't much of a victory, it's more that he survived the match. Reigns is carried away from the wreckage with his belts, but he's forever changed by the beating he got from Lesnar. Now this loses Reigns getting to triumphantly win two belts but that stip's dumb and Reigns has been given everything else anyways so an ignoble win is a bit of comeuppance in itself. And it would require a Brock that's willing to do this stuff (more a HIAC Brock than an Ambrose match Brock).
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 4, 2022 6:45:07 GMT -5
That storyline really shit all over Brock, huh? Roman takes his manager, beats him down repeatedly, wins both matches (and probably would've won the third if it'd happened), and makes him look like an idiot for blowing both his title and his Rumble win on trying and failing to get revenge. Speaking of, goddamn the Rumble is f***ing useless at this point. Feels like the winners almost always lose at Mania now. 5 out of the 6 Rumble winners from 2019-2021 won the title at Mania.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 4, 2022 7:55:55 GMT -5
Lastly, for all of the "Reigns has been holding it too long" comments. Bruh, Lesnar's reign over the title when he was running roughshod these past few years equals up to being world champion for 1163 total days. It just wasn't 1 long reign like Reigns is having now but if you look at that reign? He held one title for 223 days, another for 184 days, another for 503 days, another for 156 days and then the small stuff too and in that entire time he was doing far worse than Reigns is now. I remember the comments about Lesnar being lazy, I remember him squashing guys, I remember the stuff about him being boring. Lesnar getting the title again here would just be a continuation except in this case he's a part-timer squashing guys who makes you laugh more and if you think that's more important than having the champion on the show, being more vulnerable (because Reigns is more vulnerable than Lesnar is) and such then shit. I don't know what to say but that's trash. So yeah, I can easily see how and why Reigns is bad is bad for a lot of people. I get it. But we can't be forgetting how Brock was during his reign. Brock's the one guy who's actually a worse champion than Roman Reigns is. Ultimately it's putting a different face on the same problem: these super long reigns overexpose the champion. There has to be a happy medium between ridiculous hotshotting of the titles and having a competitive main event scene, because one guy dominating for as long as Brock and Roman have been isn't working. By the sound of it people wouldn't be too down on things if it felt like they had a more fleshed out upper card of legitimate contenders, ala how NJPW always has people like Naito/Ibushi/White/Ospreay/Takagi who are capable of beating super-ace Okada at any given time, but the credibility gap that's seemingly been placed between Roman, Brock, and then everyone else just seems to be too big for a lot of people.
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Post by mistery on Apr 8, 2022 21:02:24 GMT -5
Don't mind me, just bumping this thread with the news that Roman and The Bloodline have declared their intention to win every single mens title in WWE.
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Post by Fade on Apr 8, 2022 21:34:42 GMT -5
Don't mind me, just bumping this thread with the news that Roman and The Bloodline have declared their intention to win every single mens title in WWE. If Jimmy Uso wins the 24/7 title it’ll really devalue it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 8, 2022 22:31:54 GMT -5
Ultimately it's putting a different face on the same problem: these super long reigns overexpose the champion. There has to be a happy medium between ridiculous hotshotting of the titles and having a competitive main event scene, because one guy dominating for as long as Brock and Roman have been isn't working. By the sound of it people wouldn't be too down on things if it felt like they had a more fleshed out upper card of legitimate contenders, ala how NJPW always has people like Naito/Ibushi/White/Ospreay/Takagi who are capable of beating super-ace Okada at any given time, but the credibility gap that's seemingly been placed between Roman, Brock, and then everyone else just seems to be too big for a lot of people. the other problem it isn't even just that Roman wins. It's... he wins with no effort. he faces no adversity. He has not suffered a single setback, or made to look even the slightest bit vulnerable in literally 2 years.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 8, 2022 22:50:44 GMT -5
Don't mind me, just bumping this thread with the news that Roman and The Bloodline have declared their intention to win every single mens title in WWE. If Jimmy Uso wins the 24/7 title it’ll really devalue it. Honestly, have Heyman win it and no one goes after him because of Roman. Ends the nonsense but keeps the belt alive for the future if they really want it around.
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