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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:34:32 GMT -5
Yea, the whole backstage had to have gone crazy when Bobby won just like with Kofi |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 1, 2021 23:35:25 GMT -5
Still not sure why you need to transition Miz to Lashley instead of doing Drew vs Lashley I think they wanted A. to remove the briefcase from the equation, and B. to give Lashley as much shine going into their 'Mania match as possible. He destroyed Miz after helping him win the belt to begin with, so you have Drew walking into a match with someone who has both outsmarted him and brutalized him. Given how strongly Drew's been booked, in terms of how formidable he is, this puts him in a situation where his winning isn't a given and has real doubt surrounding it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:35:34 GMT -5
It makes sense if you look at their history. Lashley's biggest issue is that he's completely relied on his strength rather than his brains. That's where MVP and Hurt Business comes in, they're the brains. In Lashley's mind he's lost to Drew already so it's going to be a far dumber thing to face him compared to someone like Miz. Yeah, he could potentially beat Drew but it's not a surefire thing compared to someone like Miz. From a kayfabe standpoint Miz and Morrison came to Lashley and Hurt Business to discuss business and they saw the opportunity to tackle than rather than hearing straight for Drew.
From a booking standpoint it makes Lashley more unsure that he can beat Drew. Yeah, we could have Lashley be this big huge world killer who can instantly defeat Drew without any worries or potential "what if's" but mind you, what happens if someone is super OP like that? We get the Lesnars, the Strowmans, the Beckys, the Romans, the Cena's.
This makes Lashley more realistic and beatable. He's likely the strongest guy on Raw right now but we know he isn't a Lesnar which is a good thing.
But you can do the same story, but make it more about how Lashley now knows ho to beat McIntyre, instead of trying to avoid the guy. Make the dominant babyface the underdog, but instead of just saying it, show it in the build. He hasn't been built as a dodging champion all year, why now? Just have him kill the guy, and show he's the legitimate deal. It's easier, and makes the match more interesting. That's the thing, I'm not sure if Lashley, from a kayfabe standpoint, knows how to beat Drew or at least not yet. From what we're seeing Drew's only beatable through insane measures like the Chamber+Miz combo. Sure they can make Drew the underdog, maybe they will in the future, but he's just not presented as that. He's just that Taker-like figure who's really strong and great but if you beat him then hey it took a lot to do it. I guess we'll see what happens with Drew next week since we haven't really seen this new Lashey stacks up against the new Drew. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 1, 2021 23:36:46 GMT -5
Single best episode of RAW of the three-hour era. Wow, what a show with a super satisfying finish. Personally thought the show had a fantastic beginning and end but a very shit middle. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:37:51 GMT -5
Single best episode of RAW of the three-hour era. Wow, what a show with a super satisfying finish. Personally thought the show had a fantastic beginning and end but a very shit middle. NEVER do Priest vs Elias ever again |
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Post by Starshine on Mar 1, 2021 23:38:29 GMT -5
But you can do the same story, but make it more about how Lashley now knows ho to beat McIntyre, instead of trying to avoid the guy. Make the dominant babyface the underdog, but instead of just saying it, show it in the build. He hasn't been built as a dodging champion all year, why now? Just have him kill the guy, and show he's the legitimate deal. It's easier, and makes the match more interesting. That's the thing, I'm not sure if Lashley, from a kayfabe standpoint, knows how to beat Drew or at least not yet. From what we're seeing Drew's only beatable through insane measures like the Chamber+Miz combo. Sure they can make Drew the underdog, maybe they will in the future, but he's just not presented as that. He's just that Taker-like figure who's really strong and great but if you beat him then hey it took a lot to do it. I guess we'll see what happens with Drew next week since we haven't really seen this new Lashey stacks up against the new Drew. They can book it however they want, but the money's always in the heel being an actual physical threat. The worst thing they can do is go the route where he suddenly becomes a cheating, chickenshit heel, which historically isn't uncommon for WWE when they move strong heels up from the midcard. I mean, you just have to look at the guy and you know that's a bad idea. |
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Post by Clutchhausen on Mar 1, 2021 23:39:08 GMT -5
Thank f***ing God. Anyone. Literally anyone but Miz.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:39:52 GMT -5
Hmmm, yeah they really took the briefcase out of the equation. Now Lashley doesn't have to worry that someone's gonna cash in on him if he beats Drew. Imagine being a champion and after having a grueling match you hear somebody's music play. As dope as Lashley is I bet he knows that he isn't gonna get done with a Drew match and then go up against a fresh Miz, someone who defeated Randy Orton of all people for the world title.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:40:39 GMT -5
You also have to look at it from the other perspective too
While Drew is the last person to beat Lashley, that don't mean Lashley is afraid of him
All MVP/Lashley did was smart business because Morrison cost them the U.S. title and Miz needed help. It was nothing personal
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Post by greyfmdan on Mar 1, 2021 23:42:21 GMT -5
TBH I didn’t watch. But in this pic, he looks like he feels like the happiest man alive. I’m always glad to see when these men & women act genuinely happy & grateful for their moment, regardless of kayfabe alignment. |
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 1, 2021 23:44:29 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that makes people stop caring about wrestling.
Is it impossible anymore for a pure babyface (who's never been a heel) to reach the top of the mountain? And why is WWE so goddamned lazy that they can't even be bothered with any kind of story arc to turn Lashley babyface. Congratulations, Vince - you now have one babyface ex-champion, a heel ex-champion and now a f***ING HEEL CHAMPION. This isn't even on a par with the Wrestlemania 9 f***up. Hogan, at least, was a big enough name back then to pull off the win against Yokozuna. Drew McIntyre, God love him, is no Bret Hart - he's not been as established as the top face (in an age of two/three brands The Face no longer exists), and now is in a piss-poor consolation spot vis a vis Lashley whose _only_ face act in the last year and a half has been beating an even more insufferable heel in The Miz.
What in Christ's name do you do with this mess? The writers cut the Drew/Sheamus feud off at the knees for this garbage. They finagled the Money in the Bank briefcase from Otis to put it on Mizanin - and they turn Otis heel anyway! The Hurt Business, yes, should be in a position to challenge for one of the big titles - only problem is that the champion before all this mess just happened to be a babyface who would have been better off fending off the challenge from Lashley and facing down the rest of the stable. In nearly five years, the Heenan Family did their damnedest to throw Hogan off the mountain and could only manage it once through a level of chicanery never repeated in WWE history. These morons couldn't get past the first fifteen minutes of an arc like that.
Garbage in, garbage out, I guess. Clearly, none of these people worked on _Schitt's Creek_.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:44:29 GMT -5
TBH I didn’t watch. But in this pic, he looks like he feels like the happiest man alive. I’m always glad to see when these men & women act genuinely happy & grateful for their moment, regardless of kayfabe alignment. When they put the camera on his face you can see how red his eyes was like he was about to cry This is a lifetime achievement for him and what he has worked hard for |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:45:55 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that makes people stop caring about wrestling. Is it impossible anymore for a pure babyface (who's never been a heel) to reach the top of the mountain? And why is WWE so goddamned lazy that they can't even be bothered with any kind of story arc to turn Lashley babyface. Congratulations, Vince - you now have one babyface ex-champion, a heel ex-champion and now a f***ING HEEL CHAMPION. This isn't even on a par with the Wrestlemania 9 f***up. Hogan, at least, was a big enough name back then to pull off the win against Yokozuna. Drew McIntyre, God love him, is no Bret Hart - he's not been as established as the top face (in an age of two/three brands The Face no longer exists), and now is in a piss-poor consolation spot vis a vis Lashley whose _only_ face act in the last year and a half has been beating an even more insufferable heel in The Miz. What in Christ's name do you do with this mess? The writers cut the Drew/Sheamus feud off at the knees for this garbage. They finagled the Money in the Bank briefcase from Otis to put it on Mizanin - and they turn Otis heel anyway! The Hurt Business, yes, should be in a position to challenge for one of the big titles - only problem is that the champion before all this mess just happened to be a babyface who would have been better off fending off the challenge from Lashley and facing down the rest of the stable. In nearly five years, the Heenan Family did their damnedest to throw Hogan off the mountain and could only manage it once through a level of chicanery never repeated in WWE history. These morons couldn't get past the first fifteen minutes of an arc like that. Garbage in, garbage out, I guess. Clearly, none of these people worked on _Schitt's Creek_. I disagree with all of this To say Drew hasn't been a top face is laughable |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 1, 2021 23:49:21 GMT -5
You also have to look at it from the other perspective too While Drew is the last person to beat Lashley, that don't mean Lashley is afraid of him All MVP/Lashley did was smart business because Morrison cost them the U.S. title and Miz needed help. It was nothing personal And, I know that we can't walk out of Mania with both brands having heel champions, but I don't care. Lashley vs. Roman is _MONEY_ right now. Even if they stay heels, THE DESTROYER with MVP, vs. THE CHIEF with PAUL HEYMAN. There's intrigue, and there's money in letting them just go to town and rip teeth into each other. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:50:19 GMT -5
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Mar 1, 2021 23:50:25 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that makes people stop caring about wrestling. Is it impossible anymore for a pure babyface (who's never been a heel) to reach the top of the mountain? And why is WWE so goddamned lazy that they can't even be bothered with any kind of story arc to turn Lashley babyface. Congratulations, Vince - you now have one babyface ex-champion, a heel ex-champion and now a f***ING HEEL CHAMPION. This isn't even on a par with the Wrestlemania 9 f***up. Hogan, at least, was a big enough name back then to pull off the win against Yokozuna. Drew McIntyre, God love him, is no Bret Hart - he's not been as established as the top face (in an age of two/three brands The Face no longer exists), and now is in a piss-poor consolation spot vis a vis Lashley whose _only_ face act in the last year and a half has been beating an even more insufferable heel in The Miz. What in Christ's name do you do with this mess? The writers cut the Drew/Sheamus feud off at the knees for this garbage. They finagled the Money in the Bank briefcase from Otis to put it on Mizanin - and they turn Otis heel anyway! The Hurt Business, yes, should be in a position to challenge for one of the big titles - only problem is that the champion before all this mess just happened to be a babyface who would have been better off fending off the challenge from Lashley and facing down the rest of the stable. In nearly five years, the Heenan Family did their damnedest to throw Hogan off the mountain and could only manage it once through a level of chicanery never repeated in WWE history. These morons couldn't get past the first fifteen minutes of an arc like that. Garbage in, garbage out, I guess. Clearly, none of these people worked on _Schitt's Creek_. The utter lack of logic from Vince has been a problem for years, and the viewers have reacted accordingly, and yet he keeps on getting away with it. It'd be amazing if it wasn't so infinitely enraging. |
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:53:23 GMT -5
You also have to look at it from the other perspective too While Drew is the last person to beat Lashley, that don't mean Lashley is afraid of him All MVP/Lashley did was smart business because Morrison cost them the U.S. title and Miz needed help. It was nothing personal And, I know that we can't walk out of Mania with both brands having heel champions, but I don't care. Lashley vs. Roman is _MONEY_ right now. Even if they stay heels, THE DESTROYER with MVP, vs. THE CHIEF with PAUL HEYMAN. There's intrigue, and there's money in letting them just go to town and rip teeth into each other. It's not impossible since the brand split, but keeping both Roman vs. Lashley as Hogan/Warror like for Mania next year is pretty much impossible with so much TV and PPVs. Maybe they could have it a Survivor Series but even then sooo much TV hours and PPVs. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:53:31 GMT -5
You also have to look at it from the other perspective too While Drew is the last person to beat Lashley, that don't mean Lashley is afraid of him All MVP/Lashley did was smart business because Morrison cost them the U.S. title and Miz needed help. It was nothing personal And, I know that we can't walk out of Mania with both brands having heel champions, but I don't care. Lashley vs. Roman is _MONEY_ right now. Even if they stay heels, THE DESTROYER with MVP, vs. THE CHIEF with PAUL HEYMAN. There's intrigue, and there's money in letting them just go to town and rip teeth into each other. Drew Vs Lashley Vs Roman Straight up Hoss fight |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:53:56 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre closed a Wreslemania by beating Brock Lesnar clean in a few minutes. We really got people here saying that he hasn't been the strongest booked guy in this company within the past year? It's clear he's been the lead face especially when Reigns is a heel.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 1, 2021 23:54:40 GMT -5
And, I know that we can't walk out of Mania with both brands having heel champions, but I don't care. Lashley vs. Roman is _MONEY_ right now. Even if they stay heels, THE DESTROYER with MVP, vs. THE CHIEF with PAUL HEYMAN. There's intrigue, and there's money in letting them just go to town and rip teeth into each other. Drew Vs Lashley Vs Roman Straight up Hoss fight Can we throw in Lesnar for a full on Hossapalooza? |
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