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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Mar 6, 2021 22:40:15 GMT -5
I think if Herb were still alive he'd be looked at in a much more positive way. I think many would put him on the same pedestal as McMahon, Bischoff and Heyman if he were still alive. All three men were not always successful. Two of those men saw a company die under their promotion. McMahon twice with XFL, Heyman with ECW. Bischoff winds up getting off, but barely, based on the timing of WCW going out of business. He had a hand in it dying just as much as anyone. Herb was much like a Paul Heyman in the way he did business in lying and making guys believe there was more to the promotion. If Herb lives, he is seen in the same light as McMahon, Bischoff and Heyman-very positively by majority of fans. When watching the DSOTR episode on him I was struck by how much the wrestlers who worked there seemed to like him, and how upset they were that he had died. For all his faults he appears to have been a very charismatic, likeable man. I think the Heyman comparison is apt, because like Heyman he may have been a bullshitter, but he was a bullshitter who absolutely believed in his own bullshit. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 7, 2021 19:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 7, 2021 19:27:48 GMT -5
One thing that sticks out about watching Fury Hour is how much they plug UWF clothing. Yet, none of it seems to exist today. You just find bootlegs produced years later of the logo. You never see authentic vintage UWF shirts for example sold on eBay. And with good reason! I like to think there’s a warehouse full of boxes of this stuff rotting somewhere. I'm guessing it's either somewhere in a storage unit that's been DOA for 25 years and maybe rotted or Herb himself threw out all the stuff or traded it for drugs and whoever wound up with it threw it out. It is strange it doesn't show up much but there are certain things that take years to come to light. There's a prototype catalog that was recently listed on ebay for the WCW Toymakers 1995 set with Renegade and Shark unproduced toys. I give credit to Zack Ryder for posting this on a collector site but I'm guess he bought it from the ebay seller who recently posted it. Over 25 years later and we are just NOW seeing this. Another one that rarely sees the light of day is an Atlantic CMLL wrestling buddy. I bought one from Figures Inc, sold it on ebay years later for way too cheap because when I posted about it everyone called me a liar saying it didn't exist. It wasn't until some random guys room was shown with a buddy that everyone believe me. I posted "told you so." LOL. The reason a lot of 1980s and 90s wrestling stuff is so expensive is because people our age now never got a chance to own it and pay up to relive their youth. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 7, 2021 20:06:13 GMT -5
One thing that sticks out about watching Fury Hour is how much they plug UWF clothing. Yet, none of it seems to exist today. You just find bootlegs produced years later of the logo. You never see authentic vintage UWF shirts for example sold on eBay. And with good reason! I like to think there’s a warehouse full of boxes of this stuff rotting somewhere. I'm guessing it's either somewhere in a storage unit that's been DOA for 25 years and maybe rotted or Herb himself threw out all the stuff or traded it for drugs and whoever wound up with it threw it out. It is strange it doesn't show up much but there are certain things that take years to come to light. There's a prototype catalog that was recently listed on ebay for the WCW Toymakers 1995 set with Renegade and Shark unproduced toys. I give credit to Zack Ryder for posting this on a collector site but I'm guess he bought it from the ebay seller who recently posted it. Over 25 years later and we are just NOW seeing this. Another one that rarely sees the light of day is an Atlantic CMLL wrestling buddy. I bought one from Figures Inc, sold it on ebay years later for way too cheap because when I posted about it everyone called me a liar saying it didn't exist. It wasn't until some random guys room was shown with a buddy that everyone believe me. I posted "told you so." LOL. The reason a lot of 1980s and 90s wrestling stuff is so expensive is because people our age now never got a chance to own it and pay up to relive their youth. I’d always love to get one of those shirts as a gift or something, but could never imagine buying one lol. Especially with the inflated prices you mentioned. Props to the collectors willing to pony up. For as many bad shirts as the modern era has produced one thing I like is the tremendous variations of styles. Just look at the promoted shirts from UWF’s first shirt commercial on page 1 (the pic with B. Brian Blair). Every shirt except the logo shirt is a white shirt featuring a white guy with his shirt off. If you didn’t want to wear a white shirt of a white guy with his shirt off then you only had the UWF logo shirt to choose from. And the UWF shirt was white too. |
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 7, 2021 20:09:48 GMT -5
I’d always love to get one of those shirts as a gift or something, but could never imagine buying one lol. Especially with the inflated prices you mentioned. Props to the collectors willing to pony up. For as many bad shirts as the modern era has produced one thing I like is the tremendous variations of styles. Just look at the promoted shirts from UWF’s first shirt commercial on page 1 (the pic with B. Brian Blair). Every shirt except the logo shirt is a white shirt featuring a white guy with his shirt off. If you didn’t want to wear a white shirt of a white guy with his shirt off then you only had the UWF logo shirt to choose from. And the UWF shirt was white too. Shirt prices are crazy. I found a black trash bag full of 1990s WWF and WCW shirts and sold them on ebay in 2017, getting about $20-60 per shirt. The yellow Razor Ramon shirt I had for almost 10 years and wore all the time before it finally wound up ripped to shreds from wear. I think that one goes for several hundred dollars. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 7, 2021 20:17:26 GMT -5
I’d always love to get one of those shirts as a gift or something, but could never imagine buying one lol. Especially with the inflated prices you mentioned. Props to the collectors willing to pony up. For as many bad shirts as the modern era has produced one thing I like is the tremendous variations of styles. Just look at the promoted shirts from UWF’s first shirt commercial on page 1 (the pic with B. Brian Blair). Every shirt except the logo shirt is a white shirt featuring a white guy with his shirt off. If you didn’t want to wear a white shirt of a white guy with his shirt off then you only had the UWF logo shirt to choose from. And the UWF shirt was white too. Shirt prices are crazy. I found a black trash bag full of 1990s WWF and WCW shirts and sold them on ebay in 2017, getting about $20-60 per shirt. The yellow Razor Ramon shirt I had for almost 10 years and wore all the time before it finally wound up ripped to shreds from wear. I think that one goes for several hundred dollars.  This one right? I mean that’s not the vintage one, but it’s a re-released version almost identical. Not UWF related at all, but I remember in one of Shane Douglas’ first ECW matches back after his WWF stint, he interacted with that shirt in someway. I think someone threw it at him and he ripped it up. Can’t find the clip though. Shame to see that potential eBay revenue go to waste  |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 8, 2021 13:45:56 GMT -5
More T-shirt fun here! The UWF was so big into schilling these things even The Viking AKA Ludvig Borga AKA Tony Halme had one!  Tony Halme went full Thor for this gimmick.  For some reason before one match he broke a chair with that hammer. I guess to show it wasn’t a gimmick hammer. He then squashed a guy named The Intern who I’m pretty sure is the same jobber who played Davey Meltzer just with a mask slapped on.  |
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 8, 2021 18:00:00 GMT -5
UWF had 11 titles, according to Wikipedia.
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Post by saneiac on Mar 8, 2021 18:25:43 GMT -5
Who is that with Orndorff? At first, the color scheme and large ass made me think it was Vader, but the red mask says it isn't. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 8, 2021 18:42:00 GMT -5
Who is that with Orndorff? At first, the color scheme and large ass made me think it was Vader, but the red mask says it isn't. That’s The Black Knight. According to Cagematch he was portrayed by a journeyman wrestler named Bill Anderson. Looking at his results he wrestled in the WWF as a jobber quite a bit sometimes as The Black Knight there as well. It looked like Herb Abrams was considering giving this guy a push. On episode three of Fury Hour he even was introduced as one of the names in action that night along with the other stars. He then beat fellow jobber Davey Meltzer. Of course this being the UWF he shortly disappeared for at least several weeks if not altogether. I was sure Anderson was repackaged as another big masked guy named The Bounty Hunter. But according to Cagematch that was actually Tim Patterson who pulled double duty in the UWF as The Bounty Hunter and Spitball Patterson. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 8, 2021 18:56:23 GMT -5
Here’s the aforementioned Bounty Hunter with manager John Tolos.  He was a USWA style monster of the week. I think he just appeared in two episodes of Fury Hour. In the second one he got stung in the butt by B. Brian Blair’s manager Queen Bee with a taser type weapon then lost.  Tolos then put the boots to him and cut two promos talking about what a loser Bounty Hunter was.  |
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 8, 2021 23:40:39 GMT -5
This one right? I mean that’s not the vintage one, but it’s a re-released version almost identical. Not UWF related at all, but I remember in one of Shane Douglas’ first ECW matches back after his WWF stint, he interacted with that shirt in someway. I think someone threw it at him and he ripped it up. Can’t find the clip though. Shame to see that potential eBay revenue go to waste It was that one. I'm glad they released it but I never thought to buy it. I do have an original purple shirt from 1995 that I wore pretty regularly in my 30s until it shrunk and I gained too much weight. What did Dave Meltzer have to say about Herb? Was there some sort of feud going on? |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 8, 2021 23:48:55 GMT -5
This one right? I mean that’s not the vintage one, but it’s a re-released version almost identical. Not UWF related at all, but I remember in one of Shane Douglas’ first ECW matches back after his WWF stint, he interacted with that shirt in someway. I think someone threw it at him and he ripped it up. Can’t find the clip though. Shame to see that potential eBay revenue go to waste It was that one. I'm glad they released it but I never thought to buy it. I do have an original purple shirt from 1995 that I wore pretty regularly in my 30s until it shrunk and I gained too much weight. What did Dave Meltzer have to say about Herb? Was there some sort of feud going on? I’m just guessing, but having a jobber named Davey Meltzer squashed in the first ever UWF Fury Hour match seemed to be Herb’s way of preemptively taking a shot at Meltzer. As a wrestling fan I’m guessing Abrams knew Meltzer wouldn’t like his product. So he may as well take a shot at him first then when Meltzer picked apart the product he could say, “Well he’s just angry we poked fun at him.” I don’t think Meltzer paid that much attention to Herb’s UWF. He did rate Bam Bam/Dr. Death, 3 1/4 stars though. |
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 9, 2021 0:27:52 GMT -5
I figured the same thing. I'm surprised Vince or Bischoff didn't also have a similar named character.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Mar 9, 2021 1:45:47 GMT -5
Thing is the roster was pretty damn stacked for the time period. You had guys who were still kinda sorta relevant, about to be relevant and just getting out of relevancy. But man, that booking is so dreadful. Obviously they should have had a real wrestling guy and book it, but Herb Abrams was not it man.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Mar 9, 2021 1:46:06 GMT -5
THE BEE BIT MY BOTTOM! NOW MY BOTTOM'S BIG! |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Mar 9, 2021 2:18:08 GMT -5
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 12, 2021 14:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 13, 2021 1:58:21 GMT -5
Back when ESPN Classics started rerunning UWF episodes every week night,I saw it listed on the Satellite guide. All it said was UWF. I thought it was Watt's UWF.
Back then I was normally in bed by 10pm. But I stayed up to midnight to see some Watt's UWF. Show starts I see DR Death f*** YEA. Then realized it was Herb's UWF......
Somewhere on some DVD-rs I got every episode ESPN Classics aired back in what was it 2009 or 2010?
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 5, 2021 6:58:55 GMT -5
I figured I’d bump this thread due to the other one about a new UWF book. Also, I found some original UWF merch selling on eBay. I didn’t buy anything so if you’re interested they can be found easily enough on eBay by searching Herb Abrams or UWF. They have this original text only poster selling for a cool $500:  A much lower priced vintage UWF hotline ad (and you thought Mean Gene was a gossip!):  And a best of Mr. Wonderful VHS tape (UWF matches only!):   |
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