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Post by eJm on Mar 12, 2021 12:44:34 GMT -5
I think Triple H is only really an apt comparison if he's the only person you've seen book mostly around what they personally like. Cody certainly does that but of a very different flavor and much less destructively. Yeah, they might both be NWA fanboys both chasing the dramatic style trappings of the territory era, but call me when Dynamite opens every week on a 20 minute promo of Cody burying people. Like, the time I started watching Raw consistently was during the Reign of Terror and I can tell you...Cody's never sat in the middle of the ring with a dummy dressed as a cheerleader basically whining at those who were offended by the "Bad guy dresses up as a good guy and humps a corpse" sketch the past week, with ratings plummeting so bad the next week they pretty much dropped all of that like a bad habit just as quick as it sprung up. When that happens, then we can start the discussion.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 12, 2021 12:56:25 GMT -5
I think that the better ego comparison for Cody is Jericho.
Triple H and Double J are of a very similar mindset: booking themselves to look great means having higher numbers, bigger wins, longer reigns.
Cody's more of the Jericho mindset: his legacy is not in how much he wins, but in how good his angles and matches are.
As such, the way his ego manifests is that Cody has all of this stuff attached to him. Ceremonious entrance. Mixing it up with big names of the past like Arn Anderson, Jake the Snake, and Sting - plus the big celebrity angle with Shaq. He has a supporting cast all his own with his wife, his brother, his coach, his students. His feuds have a different style than most of the rest of AEW - a little less campy for the most part, with a focus on hatred, pain, and blood. His TNT title matches were booked to give him a consistent character arc of thinking he was a main-eventer when he was really just a midcarder clawing his way to relevance. For a segment of most episodes of Dynamite, Cody is the main character and everything revolves around him, only to give way to a normal wrestling show ensemble piece as soon as he leaves the screen. (This has gotten better during the Shaq feud, I need to note.)
Like, that's a lot of, well, stuff given to one wrestler. Jericho is the only wrestler who has come close (...again, I think their egos are very similar in how they want to be remembered), but he feels a lot more like an ensemble player than a main character, largely because he's more naturally a villain. Cody gets enough supporting cast to be the entire face side of a separate wrestling promotion, and storylines to match, and the result is that we have this weird, almost auteurish segment of AEW that is the rise and fall of Cody Rhodes, NWA style babyface.
Granted, in terms of sensibilities, I could see the MJF/FTR alliance taking up a slot that is more similar to Cody's overall deal. That may help, although a Cody heel turn would also potentially shake up the formula.
I should also note that this is not, all in all, bad. But it is jarring and it's very hard to ignore how different Cody's parts of the show tend to feel.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 13, 2021 6:40:27 GMT -5
Cody jumped off that steel cage in Atlanta, hit Wardlow, and hasn't been the same since. Got the tattoo, which hurt him with fans, and ever since then has been more interested in developing new talent. A TNT champion who put out an open call to indie talent, which had Ricky Starks and Eddie Kingston get signed. A TNT champion who put over Brodie Lee like Cody was a jobber. His whole run was just to make Darby a "guy". Jade, super green to the business, was given a chance to try to get over by making him look stupid. Lee Johnson had a nice story, which I loved, kind of based around Cody's "stable", which is literally young wrestlers. Not FTR, not Zach Ryder, not Moxley. No, Nick Camarato and Lee Johnson.
People make threads that he's ego, I think his ego got destroyed when he took that jump off the steel cage. I think since that moment he has become less ego, and instead goes both face and heel, as needed, to get over some other talent. He could easily pinned Shaq, but instead has a table spot and loses the tag match. That's a reign of terror? I WISH Cody was more HHH and Jarrett, because to me, he's just using his name to help everyone else and not himself anymore.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 13, 2021 9:20:19 GMT -5
He’ll turn heel and be the next world champion after Hangman by the end of the year/early 2022.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 13, 2021 21:20:48 GMT -5
Feel like I've been hearing "this is a vanity project for a guy who wasn't world champ material" since it became clear AEW was going to be a thing,
16 months or so later I think we can conclusively say the promotion has not been booked as a Cody ego trip, and dude has consistently been a strong performer.
I wish it was Penta or PAC, but I wish Cesaro or Nakamura would get a WWE championship run too.
This is hardly the worst thing that could happen.
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Post by mikeoldmac on Mar 14, 2021 5:51:53 GMT -5
You mean Cody that beat Shawn Spears where would have made more sense for Spears to win by cheating to give me a rub
Cody that beat Lance Archer who was getting booked like a monster
Cody who won despite Kingston powerbombing him onto tacks??? ( when did he become super cody??)
beat harper in dog collar match when harper was awesome...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 14, 2021 6:40:00 GMT -5
You mean Cody that beat Shawn Spears where would have made more sense for Spears to win by cheating to give me a rub Cody that beat Lance Archer who was getting booked like a monster Cody who won despite Kingston powerbombing him onto tacks??? ( when did he become super cody??) beat harper in dog collar match when harper was awesome... Is Cody just never supposed to win ever? Because like, he's still one of the biggest stars they have and despite what the thread may indicate, still very over with a lot of the fans, and it made no sense for him to lose to - Spears who killed him with a chair and as we've seen is still trying to find a place on the roster since and really that had nothing to do with losing to Cody. - Kingston who wasn't even signed yet - Harper after Harper destroyed him and the logical end around was for Cody to get revenge (And Harper was getting written out anyway because he wanted to rehab certain minor injuries... but then we saw what happened very soon afterwards so this is really a moot point) Archer is kind of spotty, yeah he could have won, but arguably Archer is WAY more over now than he was then, and looks like someone who could be a legit star for the company now, way more so then when he was the undefeated monster. So it's not like Cody beating him killed his aura whatsoever.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 14, 2021 6:44:39 GMT -5
You mean Cody that beat Shawn Spears where would have made more sense for Spears to win by cheating to give me a rub Cody that beat Lance Archer who was getting booked like a monster Cody who won despite Kingston powerbombing him onto tacks??? ( when did he become super cody??) beat harper in dog collar match when harper was awesome...I mean the rest are probably a matter of opinion, but do you really need someone to explain to you what was going on here? Come on man, be better than that.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 14, 2021 7:34:54 GMT -5
You mean Cody that beat Shawn Spears where would have made more sense for Spears to win by cheating to give me a rub Cody that beat Lance Archer who was getting booked like a monster Cody who won despite Kingston powerbombing him onto tacks??? ( when did he become super cody??) beat harper in dog collar match when harper was awesome...I mean the rest are probably a matter of opinion, but do you really need someone to explain to you what was going on here? Come on man, be better than that. Nothing was known of his condition at the time of that match, if that’s what you’re implying.
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Post by eJm on Mar 14, 2021 7:36:36 GMT -5
I mean the rest are probably a matter of opinion, but do you really need someone to explain to you what was going on here? Come on man, be better than that. Nothing was known of his condition at the time of that match, if that’s what you’re implying. Well, it was less that and more "he was planned to leave to recover from an injury" which was the known part from interviews Brodie did after the fact.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 14, 2021 7:47:15 GMT -5
I mean the rest are probably a matter of opinion, but do you really need someone to explain to you what was going on here? Come on man, be better than that. Nothing was known of his condition at the time of that match, if that’s what you’re implying. While you're right that they didn't know he was terminally ill at the time of the match, they knew something was wrong. His wife has said that he started noticing shortness of breath while he was working out which was the starting point of everything and what led to him getting checked out. The Dog Collar Match took place in October and he was hospitalised before the month was out so I don't think it takes some kind of mental gymnastics to say that they sped up the conclusion to the story so that Brodie could get the care he required rather than it being a case of Cody cutting him down while he was hot as the previous poster suggested. Whstever way you look at it, the Brodie feud ending abruptly with a Cody win can't be put on Cody.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 14, 2021 7:47:58 GMT -5
Nothing was known of his condition at the time of that match, if that’s what you’re implying. While you're right that they didn't know he was terminally ill at the time of the match, they knew something was wrong. His wife has said that he started noticing shortness of breath while he was working out which was the starting point of everything and what led to him getting checked out. The Dog Collar Match took place in October and he was hospitalised before the month was out so I don't think it takes some kind of mental gymnastics to say that they sped up the conclusion to the story so that Brodie could get the care he required rather than it being a case of Cody cutting him down while he was hot as the previous poster suggested. Whstever way you look at it, the Brodie feud ending abruptly with a Cody win can't be put on Cody. The shortness of breath while working out was after the dog collar match from what I remember of his Unresricted interview and from other interviews after with his wife. And the reports about Brodie’s title reign were that he wasn’t originally planned to win the title but Cody had to lose it while he was away filming a show.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 14, 2021 7:56:41 GMT -5
While you're right that they didn't know he was terminally ill at the time of the match, they knew something was wrong. His wife has said that he started noticing shortness of breath while he was working out which was the starting point of everything and what led to him getting checked out. The Dog Collar Match took place in October and he was hospitalised before the month was out so I don't think it takes some kind of mental gymnastics to say that they sped up the conclusion to the story so that Brodie could get the care he required rather than it being a case of Cody cutting him down while he was hot as the previous poster suggested. Whstever way you look at it, the Brodie feud ending abruptly with a Cody win can't be put on Cody. The shortness of breath while working out was after the dog collar match. Okay, so maybe my timeline is off, I wasn't there, I don't know. But what we do know is that Brodie was forced to take time off at that point, whether due to injury or otherwise, and therefore wasn't in physical shape to continue said program. So the point remains that we can hardly say Cody simply cut him down while he was hot when what actually happened was Brodie needed the time off and at that time happened to be in the middle of a feud with Cody.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 14, 2021 8:16:04 GMT -5
The shortness of breath while working out was after the dog collar match. Okay, so maybe my timeline is off, I wasn't there, I don't know. But what we do know is that Brodie was forced to take time off at that point, whether due to injury or otherwise, and therefore wasn't in physical shape to continue said program. So the point remains that we can hardly say Cody simply cut him down while he was hot when what actually happened was Brodie needed the time off and at that time happened to be in the middle of a feud with Cody. I don’t think he was forced to take time off before that match either. The peloton shortness of breath happened within a week or two of the dog collar match and he was going to the next Dynamite tapings when Doc Sampson sent him home because of his shortness of breath even though the COVID test was negative. Cody’s reign wasn’t supposed to end from reports, but they gave Lee the transitional reign because Cody had to film a show. Not that I agree with the point of this thread, I just thought it was a little unfair how you were telling the poster to be “better than that” based on something that I don’t even think is true (and if it is, certainly isn’t widely known).
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 14, 2021 8:19:37 GMT -5
The shortness of breath while working out was after the dog collar match. Okay, so maybe my timeline is off, I wasn't there, I don't know. But what we do know is that Brodie was forced to take time off at that point, whether due to injury or otherwise, and therefore wasn't in physical shape to continue said program. So the point remains that we can hardly say Cody simply cut him down while he was hot when what actually happened was Brodie needed the time off and at that time happened to be in the middle of a feud with Cody. I also feel like focusing on the win over Brodie ignores that, whether it was planned or by necessity, Cody's reign proved entirely transitional, and served to round out his long-term story with Darby by giving Darby a big win to start off a reign that's now lasted longer than both of Cody's combined. I think looking at him beating Brodie in a vacuum is ignoring the context and purpose of him getting the title back, regardless of Brodie's condition.
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Post by mikeoldmac on Mar 14, 2021 9:02:35 GMT -5
You mean Cody that beat Shawn Spears where would have made more sense for Spears to win by cheating to give me a rub Cody that beat Lance Archer who was getting booked like a monster Cody who won despite Kingston powerbombing him onto tacks??? ( when did he become super cody??) beat harper in dog collar match when harper was awesome...I mean the rest are probably a matter of opinion, but do you really need someone to explain to you what was going on here? Come on man, be better than that. i havent said anything wrong at the time nothing was known about harper condition that ended up sadly taking his life, his wife etc all said that
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Post by mikeoldmac on Mar 14, 2021 9:05:45 GMT -5
You mean Cody that beat Shawn Spears where would have made more sense for Spears to win by cheating to give me a rub Cody that beat Lance Archer who was getting booked like a monster Cody who won despite Kingston powerbombing him onto tacks??? ( when did he become super cody??) beat harper in dog collar match when harper was awesome... Is Cody just never supposed to win ever? Because like, he's still one of the biggest stars they have and despite what the thread may indicate, still very over with a lot of the fans, and it made no sense for him to lose to - Spears who killed him with a chair and as we've seen is still trying to find a place on the roster since and really that had nothing to do with losing to Cody. - Kingston who wasn't even signed yet - Harper after Harper destroyed him and the logical end around was for Cody to get revenge (And Harper was getting written out anyway because he wanted to rehab certain minor injuries... but then we saw what happened very soon afterwards so this is really a moot point) Archer is kind of spotty, yeah he could have won, but arguably Archer is WAY more over now than he was then, and looks like someone who could be a legit star for the company now, way more so then when he was the undefeated monster. So it's not like Cody beating him killed his aura whatsoever. made no sense to make spears mean more and elevate him?? maybe would have had more of a place if he cheated and beat cody and then cody beats him back least let him score something!
kingston hadnt signed yet still no need to beat him after been powerbombed on thumbtacks not saying he should have lost but why make himself super cody.... undefeated monster than cody beat 1st time of asking... way to show level and what other talent level is like
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 14, 2021 9:37:25 GMT -5
Is Cody just never supposed to win ever? Because like, he's still one of the biggest stars they have and despite what the thread may indicate, still very over with a lot of the fans, and it made no sense for him to lose to - Spears who killed him with a chair and as we've seen is still trying to find a place on the roster since and really that had nothing to do with losing to Cody. - Kingston who wasn't even signed yet - Harper after Harper destroyed him and the logical end around was for Cody to get revenge (And Harper was getting written out anyway because he wanted to rehab certain minor injuries... but then we saw what happened very soon afterwards so this is really a moot point) Archer is kind of spotty, yeah he could have won, but arguably Archer is WAY more over now than he was then, and looks like someone who could be a legit star for the company now, way more so then when he was the undefeated monster. So it's not like Cody beating him killed his aura whatsoever. made no sense to make spears mean more and elevate him?? maybe would have had more of a place if he cheated and beat cody and then cody beats him back least let him score something!
kingston hadnt signed yet still no need to beat him after been powerbombed on thumbtacks not saying he should have lost but why make himself super cody.... undefeated monster than cody beat 1st time of asking... way to show level and what other talent level is like
So they should have invested in letting a guy win who had not yet signed with them and who would be signed with them entirely due to his performance in the match booked as a one-off?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 14, 2021 9:43:43 GMT -5
I dont think Cody in the ladder match really had the effect they wanted it to have.
That being said there have been a couple times Cody seemed relatively aimless but once he got a feud to sink his teeth into he got everybody back into what he was doing
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 9:51:14 GMT -5
Nothing was known of his condition at the time of that match, if that’s what you’re implying. While you're right that they didn't know he was terminally ill at the time of the match, they knew something was wrong. His wife has said that he started noticing shortness of breath while he was working out which was the starting point of everything and what led to him getting checked out. The Dog Collar Match took place in October and he was hospitalised before the month was out so I don't think it takes some kind of mental gymnastics to say that they sped up the conclusion to the story so that Brodie could get the care he required rather than it being a case of Cody cutting him down while he was hot as the previous poster suggested. Whstever way you look at it, the Brodie feud ending abruptly with a Cody win can't be put on Cody. No one had any idea there was anything wrong with Brodie at that time though. His wife made that clear. He was just supposed to be taking a few weeks off to sell/regroup after the defeat like AEW has done with other heels who lost a big match. If they had even the slightest inclination that he had any breathing difficulties or anything else that was worrying do you really think they would have booked him in a bloody, violent dog collar match?
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