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Post by Kalmia on Apr 8, 2021 17:41:07 GMT -5
I'm pleasantly surprised. I thought NXT would pick up more viewers than they did and would win the key demo because of it, too. If I'm AEW, I'm not worried by this at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 17:46:50 GMT -5
If this really is representative of Dynamite’s ratings floor, I view this as positive news overall, personally.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 8, 2021 17:59:44 GMT -5
If this really is representative of Dynamite’s ratings floor, I view this as positive news overall, personally. Personally I view their demo going up and their top five placement going up against Night 1 of NXT's WrestleMania a total plus for them. Peacock might've helped but NXT's viewership was still pretty high and AEW held. It's also not like AEW threw everything at the wall for this show either. Aside from the last minute Tysoning, it was a very by the numbers show key'd at development. Next week has two big title matches, Jericho in action, an a big Jade/Red Velvet match already announced on top of the Fallout from how last weeks show ended so you'd hope they're expecting to see an increase in viewership and are looking to bring it all the further.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 8, 2021 18:31:48 GMT -5
I'm guessing they're only going to get to around 830,000ish next week. There doesn't really seem to be too much overlap between the NXT and AEW fanbases anyway and the show just doesn't have a lot of momentum right now. Think these giant-ass waits between PPVs are starting to lead to people declaring the first couple of months after each one to be useless. They just need to do bigger tv singles matches. In January we were getting stuff like Hager/Wardlow, Kingston/Archer, Kingston/Pac, Darby/Brian Cage and Omega/Fenix for example. We haven't been getting those type of match ups. It's been Darby vs Silver or Drake. Mox, Page, Cody in Squash matches. Mixed with bunch of tag stuff. Like always if they put on better product with better match ups the ratings will increase. Hardy/Darby big match, Jericho/Dax with Tyson will draw eyes and fans will be into Bucks vs Fenix&Pac too. Even Red Velvet vs Jade Cargil should have interest to it given the build up. Given the finally are making effort with bigger match ups. Next week will be big disappointment if it does below 900k. It should do 950k plus but trying to keep expectations not too high.
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Post by Celgress on Apr 8, 2021 19:20:48 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. Unless the downward trend reverses in the next few weeks I think AEW might have a growth problem. They've never recovered their momentum from the dual debacle that was Revolution, IMHO.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 8, 2021 20:07:17 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. Unless the downward trend reverses in the next few weeks I think AEW might have a growth problem. They've never recovered their momentum from the dual debacle that was Revolution, IMHO. Revolution being a "duel debacle" is a matter of opinion, the ending was a clear botch but while some were meh t the Christian reveal, it recieved a ton of positive feedback online and continues to. It was still close to four hours of good wrestling, and an ending which they spun into something that made sense later. If that truly is the reason people have tuned out then god forbid any wrestling company ever make a mistake... I also don't think it's fair to say Revolution is the reason for this, AEW's trend is always that their viewership went down after PPVs and their fallout. The real thing to monitor is going to be how much Viewership both it and NXT now gain free'd from one another.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 8, 2021 20:50:05 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. Unless the downward trend reverses in the next few weeks I think AEW might have a growth problem. They've never recovered their momentum from the dual debacle that was Revolution, IMHO. Revolution being a "duel debacle" is a matter of opinion, the ending was a clear botch but while some were meh t the Christian reveal, it recieved a ton of positive feedback online and continues to. It was still close to four hours of good wrestling, and an ending which they spun into something that made sense later. If that truly is the reason people have tuned out then god forbid any wrestling company ever make a mistake... I also don't think it's fair to say Revolution is the reason for this, AEW's trend is always that their viewership went down after PPVs and their fallout. The real thing to monitor is going to be how much Viewership both it and NXT now gain free'd from one another. The ratings being down since Revolution has nothing to do with PPV. It has to do with weak match ups. We haven't gotten any big Omega title matches. Or tag title or woman title matches. While TNT title matches the past few weeks were too predictable with Silver and Drake. Not to mention none of the main event level guys have wrestled each other in singles matches at all. Next week show is much better card then they have had and people will tune in for it. Let's keep in mind that on 12/18/19 Dynamite did 683,000 with .25 in demo losing to NXT. They were laughed at all over the internet due to Dark Order jobber botch. Well on January 1st they had live show and NXT had best of highlight show. AEW put on a good card and show rebounded big time. These are the numbers they did when NXT either had reply air on Syfy or best of highlight show. 1/1/20 967,000 & .36 9/2/20 928,000 & .36 9/9/20 1016 & .37 Those are the numbers we should be expecting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 20:56:42 GMT -5
Revolution being a "duel debacle" is a matter of opinion, the ending was a clear botch but while some were meh t the Christian reveal, it recieved a ton of positive feedback online and continues to. It was still close to four hours of good wrestling, and an ending which they spun into something that made sense later. If that truly is the reason people have tuned out then god forbid any wrestling company ever make a mistake... I also don't think it's fair to say Revolution is the reason for this, AEW's trend is always that their viewership went down after PPVs and their fallout. The real thing to monitor is going to be how much Viewership both it and NXT now gain free'd from one another. The ratings being down since Revolution has nothing to do with PPV. It has to do with weak match ups. We haven't gotten any big Omega title matches. Or tag title or woman title matches. While TNT title matches the past few weeks were too predictable with Silver and Drake. Not to mention none of the main event level guys have wrestled each other in singles matches at all. Next week show is much better card then they have had and people will tune in for it. Let's keep in mind that on 12/18/19 Dynamite did 683,000 with .25 in demo losing to NXT. They were laughed at all over the internet due to Dark Order jobber botch. Well on January 1st they had live show and NXT had best of highlight show. AEW put on a good card and show rebounded big time. These are the numbers they did when NXT either had reply air on Syfy or best of highlight show. 1/1/20 967,000 & .36 9/2/20 928,000 & .36 9/9/20 1016 & .37 Those are the numbers we should be expecting. The viewership definitely ebbs and flows based on how big the matchups are, but I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing. Putting on PPV quality matches every week is what ultimately led to the downfall of WCW, because no one had any reason to buy the PPVs anymore. If Dynamite can draw 600K+ live viewers even for a “fillery” show (and really, the show was quite good) and then pop up over 900k for bigger, more promoted shows, I think that shows a healthy product that will be on TV for a long, long time to come. That’s all I want.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 8, 2021 21:03:59 GMT -5
The ratings being down since Revolution has nothing to do with PPV. It has to do with weak match ups. We haven't gotten any big Omega title matches. Or tag title or woman title matches. While TNT title matches the past few weeks were too predictable with Silver and Drake. Not to mention none of the main event level guys have wrestled each other in singles matches at all. Next week show is much better card then they have had and people will tune in for it. Let's keep in mind that on 12/18/19 Dynamite did 683,000 with .25 in demo losing to NXT. They were laughed at all over the internet due to Dark Order jobber botch. Well on January 1st they had live show and NXT had best of highlight show. AEW put on a good card and show rebounded big time. These are the numbers they did when NXT either had reply air on Syfy or best of highlight show. 1/1/20 967,000 & .36 9/2/20 928,000 & .36 9/9/20 1016 & .37 Those are the numbers we should be expecting. The viewership definitely ebbs and flows based on how big the matchups are, but I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing. Putting on PPV quality matches every week is what ultimately led to the downfall of WCW, because no one had any reason to buy the PPVs anymore. If Dynamite can draw 600K+ live viewers even for a “fillery” show (and really, the show was quite good) and then pop up over 900k for bigger, more promoted shows, I think that shows a healthy product that will be on TV for a long, long time to come. That’s all I want. Ain't no way the May 5th Blood and Guts show isn't going to be flirting with a million now that Dynamite's alone. They got a few weeks to build to it too and get their numbers up, test what their new median might be.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 8, 2021 21:16:03 GMT -5
The ratings being down since Revolution has nothing to do with PPV. It has to do with weak match ups. We haven't gotten any big Omega title matches. Or tag title or woman title matches. While TNT title matches the past few weeks were too predictable with Silver and Drake. Not to mention none of the main event level guys have wrestled each other in singles matches at all. Next week show is much better card then they have had and people will tune in for it. Let's keep in mind that on 12/18/19 Dynamite did 683,000 with .25 in demo losing to NXT. They were laughed at all over the internet due to Dark Order jobber botch. Well on January 1st they had live show and NXT had best of highlight show. AEW put on a good card and show rebounded big time. These are the numbers they did when NXT either had reply air on Syfy or best of highlight show. 1/1/20 967,000 & .36 9/2/20 928,000 & .36 9/9/20 1016 & .37 Those are the numbers we should be expecting. The viewership definitely ebbs and flows based on how big the matchups are, but I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing. Putting on PPV quality matches every week is what ultimately led to the downfall of WCW, because no one had any reason to buy the PPVs anymore. If Dynamite can draw 600K+ live viewers even for a “fillery” show (and really, the show was quite good) and then pop up over 900k for bigger, more promoted shows, I think that shows a healthy product that will be on TV for a long, long time to come. That’s all I want. You don't have to go crazy with top World title matches on every week. I'm not saying next week do Omega vs Jericho and MJF vs Christian in two weeks do Moxley vs Cody and Adam Page vs Darby etc etc. But they have a really deep roster and can do a lot more then they do with 4 ppvs per year. Look at who I can consider the top singles guys in the company and how often they wrestled in singles matches on Dynamite this year. Darby Allin-5 Adam Page-5 Cody Rhodes-5 Jon Moxley-3 Lance Archer-3 Eddie Kingston-3 Miro -1 Orange Cassidy -1 Brian Cage -1 Wardlow-1 Jake Hager-1 Ricky Starks -0 Will Hobbs-0 MJF-0 Sammy Guevara-0 Matt Hardy-0 Chris Jericho-0 Kenny Omega-2 Scorpio Sky-1 Ethan Page -1 Dustin Rhodes-0 Pac-2 Sting -0 Paul Wight-0 Christian Cage-1 Shawn Spears-0 And outside of Brian Cage/Darby, two Kingston/Archer matches, Pac/Kingston and Hager/Wardlow. Every other singles had very predictable outcome. Which I don't mind if it's Fenix vs Archer or Omega or even Scorpio Sky vs Darby. But if it's not a super strong wrestling match. You need to give little more meater match ups. IMO I think they are trying to push too many guys. So they don't want guys to have more then 4 or 5 loses in a year and can give them bunch of wins vs jobbers on Dark to pad W/L record. Instead they need to focus on 8 to 12 guys W/L. The rest of guys can lose more then they do.
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Post by Garyspivey on Apr 8, 2021 21:54:03 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. Unless the downward trend reverses in the next few weeks I think AEW might have a growth problem. They've never recovered their momentum from the dual debacle that was Revolution, IMHO. I think the rating to watch is the 4/21 show, 1st live unopposed by nxt show plus no competition from the challenge on mtv (as the season went on that’s where AEW started losing more female viewers and doing low-mid 700s consistently) Between challenge ending and nxt moving that’s roughly 1.5-1.6 million viewers up for grabs, if AEW even grabs 15 percent that’s an extra 225-250k viewers
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Post by greyfmdan on Apr 8, 2021 22:28:22 GMT -5
I assume Sapp’s comment was tongue-in-cheek, but “winning the pennant” really isn’t an apt analogy, demos aside for the moment. NXT’s win last night is more akin to the Orioles beating the Yankees in the last regularly scheduled game of the season, after the Yankees have already won 2/3 of their games against the Orioles, clinched home field advantage & are resting most of their starters, and the Orioles are in a tight race for the final Wild Card spot. Anyway, I’m more of the school of thought that the battles are fought in the demos, not total viewers. Total viewer numbers make fun bragging rights conversations for fans. But most shows live or die based on the 18-49 demo—specifically the 18-49 male demo for something like wrestling—at least in terms of the ratings. (Though there are other also considerations in determining a show’s fate, mostly financial.) And as far as the demo ratings go, rarely was it ever even a contest. The Challenge literally drew a .49 in the Key Demo this week, it's always number one, always drawing close to a million viewers The upside for AEW? It will be ending soon. Other than that the NBA loves taking top spots and getting about a million as well and it did so again. In the end AEW was always expected to lose total viewership this week but it going up in Demo despite all of that is a big win for them. The timing is good for AEW. Some viewers will probably drift back over after The Challenge. And they only have to contend with the NBA for another couple months or so. If they’re still stuck in the 600s after that, then it may be time to get concerned, but right now I feel it’s a little premature.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 8, 2021 22:33:40 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. Unless the downward trend reverses in the next few weeks I think AEW might have a growth problem. They've never recovered their momentum from the dual debacle that was Revolution, IMHO. Revolution being a "duel debacle" is a matter of opinion, the ending was a clear botch but while some were meh t the Christian reveal, it recieved a ton of positive feedback online and continues to. It was still close to four hours of good wrestling, and an ending which they spun into something that made sense later. If that truly is the reason people have tuned out then god forbid any wrestling company ever make a mistake... I also don't think it's fair to say Revolution is the reason for this, AEW's trend is always that their viewership went down after PPVs and their fallout. The real thing to monitor is going to be how much Viewership both it and NXT now gain free'd from one another. Christian's first AEW match last week also did the best numbers of the night by a pretty wide margin. Saying anything related to Christian's debut at Revolution had anything to do with the downward trend is, based on those numbers, objectively wrong. It's pure confirmation bias.
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Post by deezy on Apr 9, 2021 0:23:06 GMT -5
Revolution being a "duel debacle" is a matter of opinion, the ending was a clear botch but while some were meh t the Christian reveal, it recieved a ton of positive feedback online and continues to. It was still close to four hours of good wrestling, and an ending which they spun into something that made sense later. If that truly is the reason people have tuned out then god forbid any wrestling company ever make a mistake... I also don't think it's fair to say Revolution is the reason for this, AEW's trend is always that their viewership went down after PPVs and their fallout. The real thing to monitor is going to be how much Viewership both it and NXT now gain free'd from one another. Christian's first AEW match last week also did the best numbers of the night by a pretty wide margin. Saying anything related to Christian's debut at Revolution had anything to do with the downward trend is, based on those numbers, objectively wrong. It's pure confirmation bias. Lately Q1 has had the highest rating or 2nd highest of the night. Regardless of who was in the first match it was going to get a good number. Not to discredit Christian it's just how the numbers been lately.
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Post by Celgress on Apr 9, 2021 8:42:58 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. Unless the downward trend reverses in the next few weeks I think AEW might have a growth problem. They've never recovered their momentum from the dual debacle that was Revolution, IMHO. I think the rating to watch is the 4/21 show, 1st live unopposed by nxt show plus no competition from the challenge on mtv (as the season went on that’s where AEW started losing more female viewers and doing low-mid 700s consistently) Between challenge ending and nxt moving that’s roughly 1.5-1.6 million viewers up for grabs, if AEW even grabs 15 percent that’s an extra 225-250k viewers I agree with you. If AEW doesn't see a bump at that time logically speaking a rather large bump (especially compared to recent rantings) there is a clear problem.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Apr 9, 2021 8:59:36 GMT -5
"Kenny Omega: Worst Drawing AEW Champion of All Time"
(Before anyone crucifies me, this is a tongue-in-cheek post. No rebuttal is necessary. Even though I don't like him, I know plenty of other people do. )
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Post by markymark on Apr 9, 2021 9:06:53 GMT -5
Q1: 691k / 370k (Page vs Caster)
Q2: 728k / 407k (Death Triangle/Best Friends promo, Jericho promo)
Q3: 640k / 363k (Christian interview, start of Jurassic Express/Bear Country)
Q4: 632k / 338k (rest JE/Bear Country, QT group promo, Sting/Lance Archer segment)
Q5: 620k / 337k (Darby vs Drake + post match)
Q6: 732k / 366k (Jericho beatdown + Tyson save)
Q7: 741k / 369k (Tay vs Bunny + post match, start to 6 man)
Q8: 724k / 376k (Mox/Bucks vs Omega/GB)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 9:13:17 GMT -5
They really need to scale it back on the, "Legend does a random promo," stuff. It seems like it's an every week thing and like every time ratings drop for it. At least Christian wrestles I guess (though he does feel incredibly aimless already, basically having gone from brawling with Kenny to the Kazarian stuff and now Taz with no real transition between them) but maybe give Sting some time to feel special instead of just continually trotting him out to do nothing to diminishing returns.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 9, 2021 9:25:39 GMT -5
Q7 defied gravity thanks to Tay Conti!
After the horrible drop last week, that is amazing. Booking the Bunny to get the pin last week was apparently a very good call, and that one thing makes me happy.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Apr 9, 2021 9:29:10 GMT -5
Shout out to the women. I hope Tay is someone who stays on tv after this eventual Shida match happens. Honestly I'd have Shida vs Tay main event a Dynamite.
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