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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 14, 2021 18:40:37 GMT -5
So with Loki setting the timeline rules now, Cap was always in the one true MCU timeline. He was with Peggy this whole time which means there’s no alternate timeline where he stopped all the bad shit that happened in the MCU. He just had to grin and bare it because otherwise he’d have stopped the event that caused him to go back in the first place.
It also brings up all kinds of other questions because how the F was there a second Thanos that was able to jump to the future...unless the TVA knew the Avengers were gonna kill his ass and didn’t have to worry about that timeline...unless they restored it right after his jump because it HAD to happen that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 18:45:36 GMT -5
And here I thought the Reverse Flash's own exsistence was hard to follow.
But then again the MCU isn't delving that deep into explaining their rules of time travel it is very surface level for now.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 14, 2021 18:57:30 GMT -5
And here I thought the Reverse Flash's own exsistence was hard to follow. But then again the MCU isn't delving that deep into explaining their rules of time travel it is very surface level for now. I think they’re making it up as they go along which is unfortunate. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 14, 2021 19:07:09 GMT -5
So with Loki setting the timeline rules now, Cap was always in the one true MCU timeline. He was with Peggy this whole time which means there’s no alternate timeline where he stopped all the bad shit that happened in the MCU. He just had to grin and bare it because otherwise he’d have stopped the event that caused him to go back in the first place. It also brings up all kinds of other questions because how the F was there a second Thanos that was able to jump to the future...unless the TVA knew the Avengers were gonna kill his ass and didn’t have to worry about that timeline...unless they restored it right after his jump because it HAD to happen that way. The thing is, the show is muddying the waters further rather than clarifying it. Loki becomes a variant because he escaped with the Tesseract, therefore in the Sacred Timeline Tony, Steve, and Scott go back to 2012 and steal the Tesseract without a hitch. Logically, everything that happened as a result of that wasn't meant to happen either - Tony and Steve would have become variants themselves when they went back to 1970. There is literally no way for them to have always been meant to go back to 1970 if the reason for them going back to 1970 was never meant to happen. And yes, by the rules of the show, 2014 Thanos and his army would all become variants by jumping forward, as they've come from a timeline that the TVA wouldn't have allowed to exist and impacted the Sacred Timeline regardless of the fact that they were wiped out shortly after. My guess is that due to wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff, by the time 2014 Thanos travels to 2023 the events of Loki have crippled or destroyed the TVA, allowing for the incursion of Thanos' army and for Steve to live out his life in a parallel timeline. |
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 14, 2021 19:45:16 GMT -5
So with Loki setting the timeline rules now, Cap was always in the one true MCU timeline. He was with Peggy this whole time which means there’s no alternate timeline where he stopped all the bad shit that happened in the MCU. He just had to grin and bare it because otherwise he’d have stopped the event that caused him to go back in the first place. It also brings up all kinds of other questions because how the F was there a second Thanos that was able to jump to the future...unless the TVA knew the Avengers were gonna kill his ass and didn’t have to worry about that timeline...unless they restored it right after his jump because it HAD to happen that way. The thing is, the show is muddying the waters further rather than clarifying it. Loki becomes a variant because he escaped with the Tesseract, therefore in the Sacred Timeline Tony, Steve, and Scott go back to 2012 and steal the Tesseract without a hitch. Logically, everything that happened as a result of that wasn't meant to happen either - Tony and Steve would have become variants themselves when they went back to 1970. There is literally no way for them to have always been meant to go back to 1970 if the reason for them going back to 1970 was never meant to happen. And yes, by the rules of the show, 2014 Thanos and his army would all become variants by jumping forward, as they've come from a timeline that the TVA wouldn't have allowed to exist and impacted the Sacred Timeline regardless of the fact that they were wiped out shortly after. My guess is that due to wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff, by the time 2014 Thanos travels to 2023 the events of Loki have crippled or destroyed the TVA, allowing for the incursion of Thanos' army and for Steve to live out his life in a parallel timeline. I didn’t even think of that...of the TVA being taken down before all of those events happen. Good call. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 14, 2021 20:01:31 GMT -5
I didn’t even think of that...of the TVA being taken down before all of those events happen. Good call. Thinking further about it, since Tony and Steve jump back to 1970 a few minutes after Loki escaped, if my guess is correct then the TVA essentially are out of the action from the moment they arrest Loki. {Spoiler}Which leads me to thinking that the Loki they're hunting is 2012 Loki a few years down the line, not a separate variant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 20:22:31 GMT -5
I just wanna see what comes of and yea I am pretty damn tunnel visioned on it. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}The fact that Mobius showed this Loki a reel that read EARTH 616 instead of EARTH 9999. Am I likely to drive myself mad about this one little thing? that probably wont be addressed in this show....very likely. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 15, 2021 0:00:21 GMT -5
Going forward I imagine the events of this show will be one of the reasons {Spoiler}Kang shows up in Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. |
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Post by Larryhausen on Jun 16, 2021 3:13:05 GMT -5
Tepisode 2 is REAAAAAAALLY making me want Hiddleston as The Doctor.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 16, 2021 3:42:51 GMT -5
{Spoiler}"Lady Loki" is listed as "Sylvie" in the foreign dub credits. In the comics Sylvie was the name of the second Enchantress before she was given her powers... by Loki. |
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Post by thechase on Jun 16, 2021 5:47:24 GMT -5
A bit 'talky talky' again this week, but was book-ended by decent action and things moving along. {Spoiler}I dug Loki's speech about good people not neccersarily being all that good despite their intentions and vice versa, playing with Moebius' more accepting idealism. Order at the end of time doesn't sound all that bad, but someone versed in the thrill of chaos is always going to find that a bit lacking, so makes sense for Loki to punch some holes in that approach. Also glad that he admitted that, yeah, he was always going to betray Moebius of his own accord and look for a way of seizing control of the TVA
With Lady Loki possessing all these people, and the thing about the candy bar, they did a good job of convincing you the variant was going to be a subversion and we'd get Kid Loki...but maybe this itself is the subversion if she turns out to be Sylvie the Enchantress and could be working for Kid Loki |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 16, 2021 8:57:15 GMT -5
Shows still not really clicking for me, it’s entertaining but I just can’t seem to get emotionally invested like I did WandaVision and Falcon and Winter Soldier.
Hiddleston and Wilson continue to have fantastic chemistry
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 17, 2021 1:24:38 GMT -5
Loki and Owen Wilson discussing philosophy, free will, and time travel was the best part of this episode, sign me up for more of that.
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Post by ronin705 on Jun 17, 2021 1:30:00 GMT -5
Was hoping for: {Spoiler}a dark haired she Loki But was decent otherwise. Really want things to ramp up though. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 17, 2021 7:07:00 GMT -5
Loki and Owen Wilson discussing philosophy, free will, and time travel was the best part of this episode, sign me up for more of that. It may be subsumed by "philosophy" but let's not forget jet skis. Also, JOSTA! I LOVED JOSTA! |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 17, 2021 7:07:51 GMT -5
Tepisode 2 is REAAAAAAALLY making me want Hiddleston as The Doctor. He'd be fantastic obviously, though it would be below his pay grade. I think he'd be an absolutely fantastic James Bond too. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 17, 2021 9:10:03 GMT -5
I think he'd be an absolutely fantastic James Bond too. Same. I think he'd be great in a throwback to the Dalton era kind of way. Pity the Broccolis apparently consider him "too smug" and don't think he looks tough enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 11:58:00 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}If rumors are to be believed IMO it makes total sense that this "Loki" Variant is not a Loki Variant at all but Enchantress,because idk if anyone else has asked themselves the question......how can there be a variant of any kind when there is only suppose to be the one singular the sacred timeline? never made any sense to me and then episode 2 really kind of showed how incompetent the TVA is and all the holes in their set up especially the fact that Mobious is so dedicated to the timemasters but has never actually met them just things like that.
TVA is so full of shit I cannot wait to see that place burnt to the ground. |
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Post by warden on Jun 17, 2021 12:33:15 GMT -5
I preferred Loki when he traveled across Midgar and the other realms with his Greek dad slaughtering Norse beings so they could spread his dead mother's ashes.... Maybe through all this time stuff they'll have a crossover event
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 17, 2021 14:03:45 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}If rumors are to be believed IMO it makes total sense that this "Loki" Variant is not a Loki Variant at all but Enchantress,because idk if anyone else has asked themselves the question......how can there be a variant of any kind when there is only suppose to be the one singular the sacred timeline? never made any sense to me and then episode 2 really kind of showed how incompetent the TVA is and all the holes in their set up especially the fact that Mobious is so dedicated to the timemasters but has never actually met them just things like that.
TVA is so full of shit I cannot wait to see that place burnt to the ground. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I think Variants make a lot more sense than the majority of Marvel’s continually rewritten time travel rules. The only difference is the existence of many different Lokis with wildly different looks means that there IS a multiverse still existing. This current Loki variant may be the only one that branched off from the MCU sacred timeline. The TVA agents just seem to blindly follow the Timekeepers rules and orders with zero questions. I’m just curious to see if the Enchantress theory plays out and if the other theory about one of the Timekeepers being an older Loki comes to pass.
There’s also the fact that Lady Loki/Enchantress used those time bombs to attack a lot of places important to the MCU timeline. Titan, New York, Ego, Asgard, Sakaar... |
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