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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 17, 2021 19:37:57 GMT -5
Clearly there are multiple timelines running concurrently in the MCU under the control of the TVA. The different timelines follow the same general flow, however, despite whatever differences they might exhibit. The only rub is that no individual change can be so significant that it actually changes the flow of the timeline that they find themselves in, so gender swapping individuals who never have offspring of their own (and therefore never have to match up with a specific mate), changing the appearance of any or ALL individuals, etc. might not make any real difference and therefore be allowed.
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Dr. T is an alien
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 17, 2021 20:03:02 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}"Lady Loki" is listed as "Sylvie" in the foreign dub credits. In the comics Sylvie was the name of the second Enchantress before she was given her powers... by Loki. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Yeah, but if you read some of the files that Loki was given to study you see that the Loki variant he was given to study had the name "Sylvie Laufeydottir", meaning that this character is an amalgamation of the two. |
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 18, 2021 9:31:23 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
My gut feeling is the Time Keepers are a construction of a Loki. Why? Because making a "religion" where 3 space lizards control fate would be the sort of prank a trickster god would view as "The Ultimate Mischief"
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jun 18, 2021 14:48:00 GMT -5
I’m enjoying this but at the same time not really able to follow it 100% MCU plays so loose with the time travel aspect I feel they use it as a bit of a crutch.
I get it’s pretty much the whole point of this series but after endgame it seemed kinda tired
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Post by The Captain on Jun 18, 2021 14:54:40 GMT -5
I’m enjoying this but at the same time not really able to follow it 100% MCU plays so loose with the time travel aspect I feel they use it as a bit of a crutch. I get it’s pretty much the whole point of this series but after endgame it seemed kinda tired Endgame and Loki are really the only MCU things I can think of that play with time travel, outside of Dr. Strange using the Time Stone to set up an infinite loop in his standalone movie and Thanos' use of it in Infinity War to secure the Mind Stone.
Compared to DC and non-MCU Marvel, they're outright conservative about it.
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 18, 2021 19:45:03 GMT -5
I’m enjoying this but at the same time not really able to follow it 100% MCU plays so loose with the time travel aspect I feel they use it as a bit of a crutch. I get it’s pretty much the whole point of this series but after endgame it seemed kinda tired Endgame and Loki are really the only MCU things I can think of that play with time travel, outside of Dr. Strange using the Time Stone to set up an infinite loop in his standalone movie and Thanos' use of it in Infinity War to secure the Mind Stone.
Compared to DC and non-MCU Marvel, they're outright conservative about it.
Yeah like, watch The Flash and their use of time travel; MCU has nothing on that. |
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Post by Fade on Jun 19, 2021 17:57:57 GMT -5
Loki and Owen Wilson discussing philosophy, free will, and time travel was the best part of this episode, sign me up for more of that. Same. Love Owen Wilson’s performance in this and the way his character is written and I actually think they’re doing one of the best jobs at highlighting Loki’s character. It’s giving Hiddleston so much room to play. I’m loving his choices. I am loving this show. But Wandavision PTSD also has me keeping myself in check. “Why is it the people you can’t trust are always saying, ‘Trust me’?” |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 21, 2021 19:01:06 GMT -5
It does go someway to redeeming his death in Infinity War. It really did bug me that a character as smart as Loki would try something so obviously doomed to fail. The idea that him doing anything besides clumsily trying to shank Thanos would result in him being arrested as a variant and wiped from existence makes sense.
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Post by Art Thoubored?!? on Jun 21, 2021 19:33:45 GMT -5
It does go someway to redeeming his death in Infinity War. It really did bug me that a character as smart as Loki would try something so obviously doomed to fail. The idea that him doing anything besides clumsily trying to shank Thanos would result in him being arrested as a variant and wiped from existence makes sense. I think this is a complete misread of the scene. Of course Loki knew it was a feeble attempt at trying to kill Thanos. But in choosing an action that would result in his death, Loki chooses heroism and selflessness, and he also chooses heroism and selflessness in front of the person with whom he's had the most personal issues. Loki's sacrifice was the button to the one scene at the end of Thor: Ragnarok when Loki decides to stick around with the Asgardian refugees. Loki, at that point, resolved his issues with Thor, and he had nothing left in his character arch except to die. Had Loki tried not to stall for time and deke Thanos with the Hulk, maybe Thanos would have accepted Loki as a lackey once again. Loki killing Thanos and crushing the Tesseract also smashes how badass Thanos is for any casual viewers of the MCU: Thanos is so bad he killed the bad guy from the first Avengers movie and easily broke that movie's macguffin. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 22, 2021 0:20:17 GMT -5
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 22, 2021 1:49:33 GMT -5
It does go someway to redeeming his death in Infinity War. It really did bug me that a character as smart as Loki would try something so obviously doomed to fail. The idea that him doing anything besides clumsily trying to shank Thanos would result in him being arrested as a variant and wiped from existence makes sense. The thing is...I think Loki knew he was doomed from the second Thanos set foot on their ship. Not only did he fail Thanos’ but he lost one of the few Infinity Stones that he had in his grasp. Thanos knows better than to trust Loki...he was dead and Loki knew that. What did Loki ultimately do in “murdering” Phil Coulson? He inadvertently inspired the Avengers to become a team. There was a chance that Thor could either defeat Thanos’ on his own or reunite the team that could. He knew he had to inspire Thor by sacrificing himself because going out in a heroic blaze of glory was the only way to do so. Thanos wasn’t buying his tricks no matter what he tried. |
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Post by Fade on Jun 22, 2021 14:38:14 GMT -5
It does go someway to redeeming his death in Infinity War. It really did bug me that a character as smart as Loki would try something so obviously doomed to fail. The idea that him doing anything besides clumsily trying to shank Thanos would result in him being arrested as a variant and wiped from existence makes sense. The thing is...I think Loki knew he was doomed from the second Thanos set foot on their ship. Not only did he fail Thanos’ but he lost one of the few Infinity Stones that he had in his grasp. Thanos knows better than to trust Loki...he was dead and Loki knew that. What did Loki ultimately do in “murdering” Phil Coulson? He inadvertently inspired the Avengers to become a team. There was a chance that Thor could either defeat Thanos’ on his own or reunite the team that could. He knew he had to inspire Thor by sacrificing himself because going out in a heroic blaze of glory was the only way to do so. Thanos wasn’t buying his tricks no matter what he tried. Furthermore if you subscribe to the “scared little boy” thinking, Loki’s only ever wanted validation. He’s always felt neglected. So in those last moments, he was possibly getting what he desired. Showing his brother he wasn’t a total piece of shit. His approval. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 23, 2021 3:09:42 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Huh, I really thought this episode was gonna end with the reveal that Loki somehow managed to reverse the enchantment she tried to put on him, and this whole thing was just playing out in her head as some kind of reverse-interrogation. Really seemed like a given after Loki got drunk on the train. I couldn't imagine him actually being that sloppy unless it was a ploy. |
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Post by thechase on Jun 23, 2021 5:00:31 GMT -5
Probably the worst episode of the three so far {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} A little nugget of information on the TVA all being variants aside, nothing else of any note happened other than the plot conveniently calling for Loki to act like an imbecile on the train just to set up the scenario that leads into the downer cliff hanger. Besides that, f all happened. And what was with all the 'love' metaphores? |
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Post by Fade on Jun 23, 2021 9:26:48 GMT -5
I like this Kate Herron. Fun, bridging episode. Hiddleston and Martino have purdy good chemistry. Severely lacking in sweet, sweet {Spoiler}Owen Wilson though. |
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Jun 23, 2021 11:46:05 GMT -5
Really good episode. I love just how much character development we are getting on Loki.
The conversations and interactions both characters had with each other was fantastic.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 23, 2021 12:46:53 GMT -5
Really good episode. I love just how much character development we are getting on Loki. The conversations and interactions both characters had with each other was fantastic. Agreed. I love how the show just kinda meanders on at its own pace, and it being set against the backdrop of a planet about to be wiped out by a planetary body collision is a great contrast to how languidly the story played out. |
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 24, 2021 1:01:55 GMT -5
I’m kind of leaning how I want season 2 of Loki to play out. Question is if Marvel is willing to throw the cash at someone to play ball on a series. (I have a feeling he would if asked.) {Spoiler}Season 2 would see Sylvie taking up the Enchantress moniker which catches the eye...and ire...of the real MCU Enchantress. She tries to eliminate Loki and Sylvie by enchanting Thor to her side allowing them to flip their traditional roles making Loki the hero and Thor the “villain”. |
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 24, 2021 22:41:40 GMT -5
New trailers out for Episode 4 showing that Sylvie was apprehended by the TVA as a child.
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Post by Legion on Jun 25, 2021 8:58:05 GMT -5
I’m kind of leaning how I want season 2 of Loki to play out. Question is if Marvel is willing to throw the cash at someone to play ball on a series. (I have a feeling he would if asked.) {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Season 2 would see Sylvie taking up the Enchantress moniker which catches the eye...and ire...of the real MCU Enchantress. She tries to eliminate Loki and Sylvie by enchanting Thor to her side allowing them to flip their traditional roles making Loki the hero and Thor the “villain”. I doubt you'd get that due to costs, but you could get a similar story with {Spoiler}{Spoiler} usual Enchantress stooge Executioner returning. I wouldnt have the duel flip as your idea, but it'd be cheaper and thus and more likely |
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