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Post by The Ichi on Jun 25, 2021 10:40:41 GMT -5
I think he overestimates his value just a littleDoes he really? It's not like he's asking to be in the main event, multiple titles, dude just wanted to be TV after being part of an over act for a while. Considering they're still trying with Jaxson Ryker, who's never been part of anything even close to Heavy Machinery which isn't the highest bar to clear, I'd say he has a decent idea of his value. Just wanted that chance. Grab the brass ring! Unless I didn't personally like you then stop whining and know your place. [/s]
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 25, 2021 10:51:34 GMT -5
I think he overestimates his value just a littleDoes he really? It's not like he's asking to be in the main event, multiple titles, dude just wanted to be TV after being part of an over act for a while. Considering they're still trying with Jaxson Ryker, who's never been part of anything even close to Heavy Machinery which isn't the highest bar to clear, I'd say he has a decent idea of his value. Just wanted that chance. Yeah everything I've seen from Tucker indicates he had no illusions of grandeur except maybe Heavy Machinery getting a tag title run, but he never understood why he was turning heel on Otis or what he was gonna do... hell rereading the interview it reads more like he feels they screwed Otis over more than him
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 25, 2021 11:00:54 GMT -5
Does he really? It's not like he's asking to be in the main event, multiple titles, dude just wanted to be TV after being part of an over act for a while. Considering they're still trying with Jaxson Ryker, who's never been part of anything even close to Heavy Machinery which isn't the highest bar to clear, I'd say he has a decent idea of his value. Just wanted that chance. Yeah everything I've seen from Tucker indicates he had no illusions of grandeur except maybe Heavy Machinery getting a tag title run, but he never understood why he was turning heel on Otis or what he was gonna do... hell rereading the interview it reads more like he feels they screwed Otis over more than him Some people love wrestling and just want to work. Heck Rhyno didnt even care about getting on tv. He was fine just doing house shows. But WWE wanted to just pay him to sit at home.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jun 25, 2021 11:03:28 GMT -5
I don't get how we have seen this same pattern for like 20 years, longer on the women's wrestling side of things, and still blame the wrestlers. Especially now, where we have another mainstream promotion who have salvaged acts that absolutely sucked at one point.
Or even the writers at this point. They are victims too. It's Vince's fault, he needs to go. And a bunch of his underlings too.
Until then, Tucker's story is in the same pile as Ryder, Black, Rusev, etc. etc.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 25, 2021 11:17:52 GMT -5
I was lucky enough to meet Bruno Sammartino in 1990, and he talked to me for 20 minutes about how WWF and Vince McMahon are as employers, apart from the sex and drugs stuff that became a media issue in 1991. He then went on shows like Donahue to tell the world. He was called a bitter ex-employee, it worked then, and that still works today. They don't even have to say it because everyone knows, they just don't care.
The garbage bag worked because it went viral on social media. Lying about things? That ain't changing ever.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 25, 2021 11:36:50 GMT -5
Yeah everything I've seen from Tucker indicates he had no illusions of grandeur except maybe Heavy Machinery getting a tag title run, but he never understood why he was turning heel on Otis or what he was gonna do... hell rereading the interview it reads more like he feels they screwed Otis over more than him Some people love wrestling and just want to work. Heck Rhyno didnt even care about getting on tv. He was fine just doing house shows. But WWE wanted to just pay him to sit at home. It was even a step lower than that. Rhino was willing to just work the Florida loop for NXT and be a coach and they didn't even want to go with that. And yeah Brodie mentioned that too. He didn't care about a push or anything he just wanted to do something
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 25, 2021 11:37:48 GMT -5
I think he overestimates his value just a littleDoes he really? It's not like he's asking to be in the main event, multiple titles, dude just wanted to be TV after being part of an over act for a while. Considering they're still trying with Jaxson Ryker, who's never been part of anything even close to Heavy Machinery which isn't the highest bar to clear, I'd say he has a decent idea of his value. Just wanted that chance. I don't think I've actually ever seen someone complain about their booking while upping themself less. He's not talking about his great ideas getting ruined or how they didn't see what a talent he was. He said he was lied to and jerked around, and they ran the entire break-up story really half-cocked. The most he says about his own career is that he thinks there was a plan for him to do Raw Underground, then it stopped but they went through with the split and didn't come up with anything else for him. That's the least ego imaginable in a situation like this.
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Post by pinja on Jun 25, 2021 12:03:56 GMT -5
Tucker of all people should not have to give creative ideas or show what he has to offer. He already showed. Heavy Machinery was over and people said Otis was the star, while Tucker glued the act together. He did so by being complete. Good wrestler, good athletic background, knows his character strength. I thought he's potentially the best blue collar babyface hoss they could ask for, because that is his total presence. How the hell can't WWE see it or care about it?
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Post by saneiac on Jun 25, 2021 12:18:39 GMT -5
I see they're still doing the "Don't want writers who actually know something about the business" thing... ...despite how that's worked out for them for the past who-knows-how-many years. There's nothing wrong with hiring writers who don't know the product. They can bring new ideas and new perspectives. You have the professional writers come up with an original story and write the dialogue; you have the wrestling folks figure out how to incorporate those into a wrestling show. The problem is, WWE doesn't want new ideas and original stories. Does anyone remember when WWE hired a professional "continuity expert" out of Hollywood to ensure all their stories made sense? And then the guy was fired like a month later because Vince got tired of him pointing out all of Vince's continuity errors? That's working for Vince in a nutshell.
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Post by saneiac on Jun 25, 2021 12:41:28 GMT -5
Just to add to the whole "The system of creative is kind of a failure" thing I said... EDIT: Also, has to be said, she's doing a good job of wanting to get fired from the job she just got. If that's what she wanted, well, she got it. twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1408479023236325378?s=20
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Post by eJm on Jun 25, 2021 12:45:54 GMT -5
Just to add to the whole "The system of creative is kind of a failure" thing I said... EDIT: Also, has to be said, she's doing a good job of wanting to get fired from the job she just got. If that's what she wanted, well, she got it. Far be it for me to kick someone when they just lost their job… But man, what did she think was going to happen as a result from that? A job promotion?
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Post by cfbsicko on Jun 25, 2021 12:47:37 GMT -5
Does he really? It's not like he's asking to be in the main event, multiple titles, dude just wanted to be TV after being part of an over act for a while. Considering they're still trying with Jaxson Ryker, who's never been part of anything even close to Heavy Machinery which isn't the highest bar to clear, I'd say he has a decent idea of his value. Just wanted that chance. Grab the brass ring! Unless I didn't personally like you then stop whining and know your place. [/s] [/quote] That's life though. Almost everyone acts like that, especially women. It's called reading between the lines. It's not fair or nice but it's real.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Jun 25, 2021 13:12:02 GMT -5
"Especially women"?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 25, 2021 13:16:43 GMT -5
I can't believe our avenue to "drop some casual sexism in this Tucker thread" wasn't through the weird side tangent about the writer who wasn't good at her job, but instead by slipping under Tucker's arm to shout "ESPECIALLY WOMEN" at people as they leave.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 25, 2021 13:28:56 GMT -5
Does he really? It's not like he's asking to be in the main event, multiple titles, dude just wanted to be TV after being part of an over act for a while. Considering they're still trying with Jaxson Ryker, who's never been part of anything even close to Heavy Machinery which isn't the highest bar to clear, I'd say he has a decent idea of his value. Just wanted that chance. Yeah everything I've seen from Tucker indicates he had no illusions of grandeur except maybe Heavy Machinery getting a tag title run, but he never understood why he was turning heel on Otis or what he was gonna do... hell rereading the interview it reads more like he feels they screwed Otis over more than him And they blatantly did. They didn't do Tucker any kind of favors... but Otis was super over had a massively hot angle... and then they systematically removed literally everything that got him over in the first place for really no good reason. Yeah everything I've seen from Tucker indicates he had no illusions of grandeur except maybe Heavy Machinery getting a tag title run, but he never understood why he was turning heel on Otis or what he was gonna do... hell rereading the interview it reads more like he feels they screwed Otis over more than him Some people love wrestling and just want to work. Heck Rhyno didnt even care about getting on tv. He was fine just doing house shows. But WWE wanted to just pay him to sit at home. That seemed to be what Shawn Spears wanted too... he didn't expect to be in the main event and might have been content as just a jobber to the stars... but... they weren't using him at all.
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Post by BatPunk on Jun 25, 2021 14:32:53 GMT -5
Every time I see one of these threads/comments (and there’s more that happen over time) first thing that comes to mind is “Water is wet”.
And it makes me think about the things people will do or put up with the follow their dream.
If WWE came to me and said “BatPunk, we want you” I would probably take it in a second, knowing what a garbage company they are, because “what if”, right.
And then upon my release, because quite frankly, I’m not that entertaining and I’ll do an interview and say “Water is wet. But I’m glad to have tested the theory that wet water is a fact”
It’s heartbreaking to read some of these stories because the wrestlers involved wholeheartedly believe in themselves and the process and to see the dream taken away.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 15:44:48 GMT -5
Every time I see one of these threads/comments (and there’s more that happen over time) first thing that comes to mind is “Water is wet”. And it makes me think about the things people will do or put up with the follow their dream. If WWE came to me and said “BatPunk, we want you” I would probably take it in a second, knowing what a garbage company they are, because “what if”, right. And then upon my release, because quite frankly, I’m not that entertaining and I’ll do an interview and say “Water is wet. But I’m glad to have tested the theory that wet water is a fact” It’s heartbreaking to read some of these stories because the wrestlers involved wholeheartedly believe in themselves and the process and to see the dream taken away. ESPECIALLY WOMEN!
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Post by unc40 on Jun 25, 2021 20:34:01 GMT -5
Why would a person go through grueling training, put your body through hell, and spend days on the road away from your family knowing that your future is in the hands of a man who can kill your dreams just because he is in a certain mood on a certain day. Doesn't seem worth it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 25, 2021 22:29:55 GMT -5
You know with the new releases coming more and more I genuinely have to wonder what more wrestlers might or will say being free from WWE as a whole. Because this was just Tucker and it was pretty scathing. I can't imagine the f***ing thesis Fandango could write on his career.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 26, 2021 1:56:15 GMT -5
One week from now, WWE's like "Got it, we heard your complaints." And fires Kenice and then changes literally nothing about the broken creative system. Well I was a little optimistic with the time but I'm giving myself points.
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