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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 2, 2023 21:09:10 GMT -5
With Red Letter Media I pretty much only watch Best of the Worst. Don't really pay attention to their modern day stuff at all. For me their best stuff is Re:view, hour or so discussing usually a classic movie
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 2, 2023 21:14:52 GMT -5
Adjusted for inflation, Dial of Destiny nearly cost as much to make as the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 2, 2023 22:55:46 GMT -5
Stay at home and watch some ASMR instead.
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Post by prettynami on Jul 2, 2023 23:01:27 GMT -5
I'm starting to think movie budgets are getting out of hand (!) - they seriously don't seem to be getting the production value they are dropping money for. And I don't even know where the budget is going cause they don't look any better, and the studios still seem to be shorting the SFX people and what not, and the studios themselves seem to be struggling with a "We have to string together blockbusters endlessly, even 2 missteps in a row can sink our studio!". And you can't pass the cost onto the consumer anymore, we don't have any money either. I think we at a breaking point!
On this movie, I thought about seeing it in the theatre with a buddy... But Crystal Skull was so shitty I can not reason myself seeing another Indiana Jones movie in the theatre.
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Post by ace on Jul 3, 2023 1:45:57 GMT -5
I don’t know what they thought would happen. Everyone nostalgic for Indiana Jones is in their 40s and older. Younger people had Crystal Skull when they were growing up…they aint going back after that shit.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jul 3, 2023 2:10:25 GMT -5
One of the biggest issues is Harrison Ford himself.
Love the guy...but he shouldn't be married to the role, especially at this stage in the game. Again, the fun of Indiana Jones is wanting to BE Indiana Jones, something I wanted to be very VERY badly as a child, so much so that me and my best friend would get in fights over who was going to be Indy and who was going to be Marcus. Don't ask how we even established how the other person was going to be Marcus, that didn't make sense.
Indiana Jones isn't a character study. They tried that in the third movie and it mostly worked due to the chemistry of Harrison and Sean Connery, but it was lightning in a bottle. You weren't going to probably strike gold again. And they didn't. Instead of leaving the the franchise with Indy riding off into the sunset, we then had Indiana Jones getting married. And yet, we still couldn't leave it there. We have to now end it on a reversal of the "ouch" scene in Raiders. Not exactly as cool as riding off into the sunset, after we finally learn how Indy got his name.
But again, the appeal of the character is he's the archetype of every cool adventure man trait. He's not above being replaced with another actor. Sean Patrick Flannery did okay enough in the Young Indiana Jones series, I mean it wasn't as good as the original trilogy but there were episodes better than the last two flicks. Then you have the video games which proved you could do a good Indiana Jones story without Harrison Ford.
But because we have to have Harrison Ford, they have to build the story around things that involve his age, his connection to other characters from the other movies, etc. Honestly, this is more of a hindrance at this stage, especially being over 40 years removed from when the first movie came out. Roger Moore did a quality job as Bond, and it was important for him to step aside, however he held on for too long...and as a result it probably cost Timothy Dalton one or two more appearances in the films had Moore done the right thing.
So instead...you now run the risk of completely burning your audience out. Older fans aren't going to be wowed by Indiana Jones not doing Indiana Jones stuff. Younger audiences aren't going to be excited watching this old guy dodder around.
Really is a shame this franchise might go out on a whimper instead of gloriously riding off into the sunset.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 3, 2023 10:02:11 GMT -5
I don't blame them for making another one, I mean your star is 80 and this is the last chance to milk the teats of this cow.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 3, 2023 11:20:04 GMT -5
One of the biggest issues is Harrison Ford himself. Love the guy...but he shouldn't be married to the role, especially at this stage in the game. Again, the fun of Indiana Jones is wanting to BE Indiana Jones, something I wanted to be very VERY badly as a child, so much so that me and my best friend would get in fights over who was going to be Indy and who was going to be Marcus. Don't ask how we even established how the other person was going to be Marcus, that didn't make sense. Indiana Jones isn't a character study. They tried that in the third movie and it mostly worked due to the chemistry of Harrison and Sean Connery, but it was lightning in a bottle. You weren't going to probably strike gold again. And they didn't. Instead of leaving the the franchise with Indy riding off into the sunset, we then had Indiana Jones getting married. And yet, we still couldn't leave it there. We have to now end it on a reversal of the "ouch" scene in Raiders. Not exactly as cool as riding off into the sunset, after we finally learn how Indy got his name. But again, the appeal of the character is he's the archetype of every cool adventure man trait. He's not above being replaced with another actor. Sean Patrick Flannery did okay enough in the Young Indiana Jones series, I mean it wasn't as good as the original trilogy but there were episodes better than the last two flicks. Then you have the video games which proved you could do a good Indiana Jones story without Harrison Ford. But because we have to have Harrison Ford, they have to build the story around things that involve his age, his connection to other characters from the other movies, etc. Honestly, this is more of a hindrance at this stage, especially being over 40 years removed from when the first movie came out. Roger Moore did a quality job as Bond, and it was important for him to step aside, however he held on for too long...and as a result it probably cost Timothy Dalton one or two more appearances in the films had Moore done the right thing. So instead...you now run the risk of completely burning your audience out. Older fans aren't going to be wowed by Indiana Jones not doing Indiana Jones stuff. Younger audiences aren't going to be excited watching this old guy dodder around. Really is a shame this franchise might go out on a whimper instead of gloriously riding off into the sunset.There will be more. Don’t worry.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 3, 2023 11:30:24 GMT -5
Adjusted for inflation, Dial of Destiny nearly cost as much to make as the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. Apparently there was extensive reshoots for the film. That will insanely balloon the budget. Look at The Flash. The reason that one’s budget exploded was because they were test screening, and then reshooting based on the results of the test screens, it to death. Pretty much the moral of the story is…get the bloody film right the first time if you want the budget to stay low.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 3, 2023 12:31:35 GMT -5
TLC was the perfect ending. Everything since has been unnecessary.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 3, 2023 12:37:24 GMT -5
What does help Dial of Destiny some in the US is that it's a four day holiday weekend for a lot of people. So Monday and Tuesday might see stronger than usual returns. Word of mouth being generally positive also helps a lot in staying power compared to other recent big budget flops.
Still how the hell did an Indiana Jones movie of all things have a near $300 million budget?!
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Post by chrom on Jul 3, 2023 16:04:47 GMT -5
What does help Dial of Destiny some in the US is that it's a four day holiday weekend for a lot of people. So Monday and Tuesday might see stronger than usual returns. Word of mouth being generally positive also helps a lot in staying power compared to other recent big budget flops. Still how the hell did an Indiana Jones movie of all things have a near $300 million budget?! At most a movie like Indiana Jones should cost about 80 million.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 4, 2023 7:51:29 GMT -5
Dial of Destiny's underwhelming box office feels like a combination of four things:
-Premiering it at Cannes was a mistake as the mediocre word of mouth killed a lot of the marketing momentum and has made people less inclined to check it out.
-The Indiana Jones films' core audience skews older and there's been nothing in terms of the franchise's (small) recent presence or the concept of Dial of Destiny to get younger people in big numbers to come and see it.
-Its the kind of film that feels too late to make now. Indy 4 should have realistically been something that came out in the mid 90s while Ford was relatively younger, and then something like Dial of Destiny in 2008 to properly give the character a send off. His current age is something that turns off many potential audience members, and there's not been enough reviews/word of mouth that the film effectively turns his older status into a dramatic strength like Stallone did with Rocky Balboa.
-Reshoots and other factors have ballooned the budget so much that its ensured that the film actually making a profit would be tricky even if the three previous elements weren't there.
Indy 5 as a movie in 2023 just has too much of an uphill climb to really do big numbers.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 4, 2023 9:37:49 GMT -5
Not going to beat around the bush: There's also people not watching because they don't want to see Harrison Ford punch Nazi's because it makes them feel bad.
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Post by thechase on Jul 4, 2023 10:13:48 GMT -5
Not going to beat around the bush: There's also people not watching because they don't want to see Harrison Ford punch Nazi's because it makes them feel bad. See the movie to see Indy punch out Eric July on the 4th of July
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 4, 2023 12:08:57 GMT -5
Not going to beat around the bush: There's also people not watching because they don't want to see Harrison Ford punch Nazi's because it makes them feel bad. Also because they want to replace Indy with a damn female!
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 4, 2023 13:37:17 GMT -5
I saw it. Overall found it quite enjoyable. Liked the opening scene. Bit long overall but some good stuff in it.
7/10
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Post by chrom on Jul 4, 2023 13:40:42 GMT -5
Not going to beat around the bush: There's also people not watching because they don't want to see Harrison Ford punch Nazi's because it makes them feel bad. Watching Nazis get beaten up should be something you'd always wanna see happen
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 4, 2023 15:25:44 GMT -5
I just saw it. Aside from not unseeing what was said about DeAged Harrison Ford, I was mostly cool with it. The OT was in a class by itself. Maybe it helps that I didn't see the OT in awhile.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 4, 2023 15:51:36 GMT -5
I just saw it. Aside from not unseeing what was said about DeAged Harrison Ford, I was mostly cool with it. The OT was in a class by itself. Maybe it helps that I didn't see the OT in awhile. Not being precious about the OT probably helps. I didn't see a single Indiana Jones movie until 2005, so they're not engrained in childhood nostalgia for me.
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