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Post by agent817 on Jul 17, 2021 19:47:13 GMT -5
Joe Budden's self-titled debut album. I remember buying it on its release day, but there were other copies there that looked like they weren't touched. Not even for consumers to even look at it. It wasn't a bad album, but I suppose that it didn't get much buzz, despite "Pump It Up" being on the airwaves up to that point. No wonder Joe Budden didn't have a lot of good things to say about Def Jam. He was even working on another album for them called The Growth and it was supposed to be released in 2005, but then it got shelved.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 17, 2021 21:56:58 GMT -5
St. Anger was the first Metallica album I bought and it was so wank it has soured me on the band completely
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Post by bibboid on Jul 18, 2021 0:12:31 GMT -5
Pat Boone: In a Metal Mood
Pat Boone is a legend. They promoted the hell out of this album. It charted simply because it was such a novelty. It is absolutely awful.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Jul 18, 2021 1:11:57 GMT -5
Music From The Elder bombed, started the downturn of KISS, after the album Ace finally went "yeah, nah im out" and left. Bob Ezrin didnt produce for KISS again until Revenge which was a fantastic album! HOWEVER saying all that....World Without Heroes and The Oath kick ass and KISS should have kept those 2 in their setlist...oh yeah, they didnt even do a tour behind that album thats how bad it was. KISS didnt hit the road to make money off it, they just went back and started work on Creatures Of The Night.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jul 18, 2021 8:18:38 GMT -5
Joe Budden's self-titled debut album. I remember buying it on its release day, but there were other copies there that looked like they weren't touched. Not even for consumers to even look at it. It wasn't a bad album, but I suppose that it didn't get much buzz, despite "Pump It Up" being on the airwaves up to that point. No wonder Joe Budden didn't have a lot of good things to say about Def Jam. He was even working on another album for them called The Growth and it was supposed to be released in 2005, but then it got shelved. The Source pushed him super hard as well. I don't remember if he was the cover but I remember they had a lengthy article making him out to be the next big thing. "Pump It Up" just wasn't a great single. It was catchy but meh, which is not what you're looking for in your public debut.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jul 18, 2021 8:20:37 GMT -5
Every Christina Aguilera album since Bionic has been a flop.
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Post by burdette25159 on Jul 18, 2021 9:38:42 GMT -5
Here My Dear by Marvin Gaye, it bombed critically and commercially but in the years since Gaye's death was hailed by music critics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:39:26 GMT -5
The Metallica/Lou Reed album "Lulu" is one that you would call 'divisive'... don't know how successful it was. To quote Lars himself: "Lulu is St. Anger's favorite album."
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 18, 2021 11:29:52 GMT -5
The Metallica/Lou Reed album "Lulu" is one that you would call 'divisive'... don't know how successful it was. To quote Lars himself: "Lulu is St. Anger's favorite album." It's also Morbid Angel's favorite album since they put the I album out at the same time 😬
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Post by agent817 on Jul 18, 2021 12:47:16 GMT -5
Joe Budden's self-titled debut album. I remember buying it on its release day, but there were other copies there that looked like they weren't touched. Not even for consumers to even look at it. It wasn't a bad album, but I suppose that it didn't get much buzz, despite "Pump It Up" being on the airwaves up to that point. No wonder Joe Budden didn't have a lot of good things to say about Def Jam. He was even working on another album for them called The Growth and it was supposed to be released in 2005, but then it got shelved. The Source pushed him super hard as well. I don't remember if he was the cover but I remember they had a lengthy article making him out to be the next big thing. "Pump It Up" just wasn't a great single. It was catchy but meh, which is not what you're looking for in your public debut. For me, it would have either been "Focus" or "Fire" as the debut. "Fire" would have worked better because you had some other star power with Busta Rhymes in the song. The Source may have done some articles on him, and I wouldn't have known about him if it wasn't for Def Jam Vendetta. However, like you said, "Pump It Up" wasn't really the best song to use as a debut single.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Jul 18, 2021 15:48:20 GMT -5
Pat Boone: In a Metal Mood Pat Boone is a legend. They promoted the hell out of this album. It charted simply because it was such a novelty. It is absolutely awful. I dunno, his version of Crazy Train wouldn't sound out of place in a James Bond film. But the Dio cover was pure garbage. Edit: Dennis Miller made a crack about this album: "Pat Boone is doing an album where he covers metal music. I don't know what the title will be, but I'm sure you'll be able to locate it easily with a bright 99 cent sticker on the cover."
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Post by burdette25159 on Jul 18, 2021 15:51:34 GMT -5
Here My Dear by Marvin Gaye, it bombed critically and commercially but in the years since Gaye's death was hailed by music critics. It lead to a urban legend that Gaye Deliberately recorded it so bad to Cheat His Ex-Wife Out of Royalties www.snopes.com/fact-check/here-my-dear/
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jul 18, 2021 16:12:26 GMT -5
Here My Dear by Marvin Gaye, it bombed critically and commercially but in the years since Gaye's death was hailed by music critics. It lead to a urban legend that Gaye Deliberately recorded it so bad to Cheat His Ex-Wife Out of Royalties www.snopes.com/fact-check/here-my-dear/Love this one. Musicians recording lazy, probably lackluster albums to get out of contracts isn’t unheard of (see: Deicide, In Torment In Hell), but deliberately tarnishing your brand by recording something that sucks doesn’t really seem to be a thing that occurs. And now the Gaye album is regarded as a classic!
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jul 18, 2021 18:54:16 GMT -5
Music From The Elder bombed, started the downturn of KISS, after the album Ace finally went "yeah, nah im out" and left. Bob Ezrin didnt produce for KISS again until Revenge which was a fantastic album! HOWEVER saying all that....World Without Heroes and The Oath kick ass and KISS should have kept those 2 in their setlist...oh yeah, they didnt even do a tour behind that album thats how bad it was. KISS didnt hit the road to make money off it, they just went back and started work on Creatures Of The Night. I was coming into the thread to talk about The Elder. I wouldn't really consider it the start of the band's downturn, but certainly a breaking point. Dynasty sold very well, but pissed off long-time fans. Unmasked continued the pop direction and underperformed. Elder did the worst of all and, as mentioned, was the last straw for Ace Frehley. I love Music From The Elder, but I fully understand fans of hard, fast, rock n roll KISS would be disappointed with it. The Oath is a badass song, though.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 19, 2021 5:53:43 GMT -5
“The Ego Has Landed” by Robbie Williams. At the time I thought it was a shame, I felt it had a ton of good tracks on it. I know “Millennium” (which is a classic, IMO) and “Angels” got some buzz stateside, because EMI/Capitol were pushing him as part of the teen pop wave through his Take That background. But Robbie was coming in with this super self-deprecating personality ( like on "Strong" he goes “I get drunk and dance like me dad”) and most of the boy bands like N*SYNC and BSB were much more earnest, so I think people at first in America couldn’t quite figure him out.
Plus he was this really cheeky Englishman sharing the airwaves with these rowdier acts like Eminem, Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock also blowing up in 1999 as well, so he really felt out of place.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 19, 2021 8:26:58 GMT -5
Yes Please! by The Happy Mondays If you haven’t seen the awesome film “24 Hour Party People”. I’ll sum up what happened.. Manchester record label “Factory Records” were haemorrhaging money and needed hits from their biggest acts New Order and The Happy Mondays. The Mondays wanted to record a new album in Barbados and the label let them as long as smack addicted lead singer Shaun Ryder got clean and he agreed. Problem was at the airport the methadone he was prescribed and to last the trip was somehow lost at the airport, then the Mondays spent most of the trip getting high and drunk… but they did manage to record some material… once they got back to Manchester, Ryder held the master tapes hostage and would not give them to the label unless they paid him some cash, the label relented and paid him about 50 pounds to get the tapes, Ryder agreed, and then they discovered there was no vocals recorded on any of the tracks, so they had to get Shaun back into a studio to record some. So of course the album was a disaster.. and was one of the factors that led to the demise of Factory Records. It's infuriating sometimes when you hear about studio execs treating musicians like children, but then sometimes you get stories like this where yeah, some musicians maybe do their part to keep this adversarial relationship intact.
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Post by thechase on Jul 19, 2021 9:13:02 GMT -5
“The Ego Has Landed” by Robbie Williams. At the time I thought it was a shame, I felt it had a ton of good tracks on it. I know “Millennium” (which is a classic, IMO) and “Angels” got some buzz stateside, because EMI/Capitol were pushing him as part of the teen pop wave through his Take That background. But Robbie was coming in with this super self-deprecating personality ( like on "Strong" he goes “I get drunk and dance like me dad”) and most of the boy bands like N*SYNC and BSB were much more earnest, so I think people at first in America couldn’t quite figure him out. Plus he was this really cheeky Englishman sharing the airwaves with these rowdier acts like Eminem, Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock also blowing up in 1999 as well, so he really felt out of place. Take That themselves weren't all that hot in the States, I think "Back For Good" from the album Nobody Else charted the most 'modestly' in those all important charts, but not much else in between.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jul 19, 2021 11:11:11 GMT -5
I remember as a kid people really thought Hammer's "2 Legit 2 Quit" was a bomb...but it went platinum, right? So, someone was buying it. XD
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Jul 19, 2021 11:21:55 GMT -5
"Shadow Work" by Trapt, only sold 600 copies.
In comparison, "DNA" by the same band, sold 4,500 copies.
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Post by agent817 on Jul 19, 2021 12:02:43 GMT -5
Here is an album that people hardly talk about - "Blunted on Reality" from the Fugees. Yes, those Fugees, who hit it big with "The Score." It was actually their first album and it had a different style than what was shown on "The Score." I read that it didn't sell well and Pras even said that only a handful of copies sold.
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