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Post by Big DSR Energy on Aug 5, 2021 0:57:08 GMT -5
God, not to completely change the subject, but this feels like 10 billion years ago when Ricochet wasn't the laughing stock of the roster. What's sadder is that it doesn't take much to make Ricochet a highlight again. The Morrison stuff, the MITB ladder match, he's proven within the past few weeks he's still that dude. He just needs to keep on with these feuds. What he's doing now with Morrison, Miz and Priest is pretty cool. Just keep him in that realm of midcarders who can work and he'll be fine. But he needs to be above that. It's like they forget he can really go. Once he busts out a move they remember again. Yeah, as much as I loved The Hurt Business, it came at the expense of making Ricochet the gooberest goober to ever goober. He cheated to win a match so they would leave him alone! The Morrison feud was fun because he showed he could actually hang, and when they blew it off, he actually won the match.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 5, 2021 2:12:20 GMT -5
Not to get on her for her gear but she needs to hit up Ricochet. He's got a lot of gear that looks like he'd fit in as a "modern superhero" from just him coming out. Not even talking about the music and entrance but from a look? He's got it. the issue si that they dont want her to have a modern superhero movie costume. They want a goofy childish generic hero costume. If WWE wanted any more than that ,they would make it in a second
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 9, 2021 21:35:12 GMT -5
So I guess now she's firmly in Bayley, "If I try really hard I can tie my shoes by myself!" mode?
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Post by mistery on Aug 9, 2021 21:44:52 GMT -5
So the audience was completely and utterly dead for Nikki tonight. And Rhea. Charlotte got a mixed but still fairly quiet reaction. This feud is dead.
I'm starting to think this Nikki ASH gimmick is literally tailored for toddlers, especially when Nikki mentioned that ill-advised nightlight line.
At this point its a tossup between the Alexa/Lilly gimmick and Nikki ASH as the worst gimmick of 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 21:47:03 GMT -5
I didn't watch but I saw this on Twitter and I had to post.
This Nikki Cross? The same Nikki Cross in Insanity that attacked dudes bigger than her? Same Nikki who would go against women like Charlotte regardless of her size? If you ask me this is worse than Bayley's debut on the main roster because Bayley on the main roster wasn't acting like a child.
Like...is this Nikki Cross or is this a Rugrat?
Is that Lil DeVille behind the mask or what? This ain't good.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 9, 2021 21:53:42 GMT -5
I didn't watch but I saw this on Twitter and I had to post. This Nikki Cross? The same Nikki Cross in Insanity that attacked dudes bigger than her? Same Nikki who would go against women like Charlotte regardless of her size? If you ask me this is worse than Bayley's debut on the main roster because Bayley on the main roster wasn't acting like a child. Like...is this Nikki Cross or is this a Rugrat? Is that Lil DeVille behind the mask or what? This ain't good. I mean, I think a lot of people were gonna give it a bit of rope because, hey she was finally getting an actual push and apparently it's all her idea so we have to try and approve someone getting creative licence within the rigid WWE system, but... If this is all it's gonna be, it's already lost a lot of its appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 22:02:29 GMT -5
I didn't watch but I saw this on Twitter and I had to post. This Nikki Cross? The same Nikki Cross in Insanity that attacked dudes bigger than her? Same Nikki who would go against women like Charlotte regardless of her size? If you ask me this is worse than Bayley's debut on the main roster because Bayley on the main roster wasn't acting like a child. Like...is this Nikki Cross or is this a Rugrat? Is that Lil DeVille behind the mask or what? This ain't good. I mean, I think a lot of people were gonna give it a bit of rope because, hey she was finally getting an actual push and apparently it's all her idea so we have to try and approve someone getting creative licence within the rigid WWE system, but... If this is all it's gonna be, it's already lost a lot of its appeal. I was giving it a chance because it appeared as though it's the same Nikki but with a costume and a new dream. How it looks is though her personality has changed, she's lost some of her courage, is doubting herself more I mean yeah that's a story and it could work well with the right execution. I just don't think WWE can pull it off based on how they book babyfaces. If she's going through some sort of mental trauma then at least do it well but most of the time they have the face get their ass kicked.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 9, 2021 22:05:18 GMT -5
I didn't watch but I saw this on Twitter and I had to post. This Nikki Cross? The same Nikki Cross in Insanity that attacked dudes bigger than her? Same Nikki who would go against women like Charlotte regardless of her size? If you ask me this is worse than Bayley's debut on the main roster because Bayley on the main roster wasn't acting like a child. Like...is this Nikki Cross or is this a Rugrat? Is that Lil DeVille behind the mask or what? This ain't good. This is actively what Nikki Cross wanted. She made the character. She pitched the character and the design. It don't mean you gotta like it of course... but when it comes down to the "What happened to the OLD Nikki?" stuff? This is what she is choosing to happen and seemingly choosing how the character to be. Could WWE Booking and Writing be butchering it? I suppose. Hard to tell for sure with that knowledge.
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Post by Chiral on Aug 9, 2021 22:11:35 GMT -5
Nikki's promo would have worked in like a children's picture book because there the hero wouldn't talk about her night light only to run out and get the shit beat out of her for 20 minutes. It's always a bad time when WWE goes like "Yep they're Literally a Child Now™"
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 9, 2021 22:12:50 GMT -5
I mean, I think a lot of people were gonna give it a bit of rope because, hey she was finally getting an actual push and apparently it's all her idea so we have to try and approve someone getting creative licence within the rigid WWE system, but... If this is all it's gonna be, it's already lost a lot of its appeal. I was giving it a chance because it appeared as though it's the same Nikki but with a costume and a new dream. How it looks as though her personality has changed, she's lost some of her courage, is doubting herself more I mean yeah that's a story and it could work well with the right execution. I just don't think WWE can pull it off based on how they book babyfaces. If she's going through some sort of mental trauma then at least do it well but most of the time they have the face get their ass kicked. We need to figure out what the precise amount of appropriate babyface ass-kicking versus babyfaces getting their asses kicked actually should be. Because it’s always only ever the extremes of these things. Either you’re always getting your ass kicked, or kicking everyone’s ass with no effort leading to everybody feeling bad for the heel instead. Ass.
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Post by Chiral on Aug 9, 2021 22:13:23 GMT -5
Could WWE Booking and Writing be butchering it? I mean... *gestures to the majority of the writing the last X years*
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Aug 9, 2021 22:13:52 GMT -5
The fact that she's supposed to be a totally different person is so so dumb. Like she looks exactly the same you can't Joseph Park me.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 9, 2021 22:15:27 GMT -5
The fact that she's supposed to be a totally different person is so so dumb. Like she looks exactly the same you can't Joseph Park me. Wait have they actually canonically said Nikki Cross and Nikki ASH aren't the same person?? Because like week one they literally explained Nikki Cross put on the f***ing outfit lmfao
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 22:17:45 GMT -5
I liked that the match with Rhea tonight was much more back and forth than the one with Charlotte last week (which, while good, saw Nikki get her ass kicked way too much IMO)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 22:21:00 GMT -5
This is actively what Nikki Cross wanted. She made the character. She pitched the character and the design. It don't mean you gotta like it of course... but when it comes down to the "What happened to the OLD Nikki?" stuff? This is what she is choosing to happen and seemingly choosing how the character to be. Could WWE Booking and Writing be butchering it? I suppose. Hard to tell for sure with that knowledge.
Nah that's not true. She wanted the design and she wanted the character but her character direction and the lines she's saying, all of that isn't what she's wanted. It was done in a way to purely hype up her opponent and that's a telltale sign that no, it's not her. It's just another thing on a script compared to what she'd naturally state. She's never acted like that in any of her time here.
From a kayfabe standpoint she said "I wanna wear this to work and this is who I wanna be now" and that's her. In doing so though it's like they stripped her from her old character into "ok this is who you are when you clock in", in a way she's more "realistic" in that she's just a wrestler in a costume at work but that doesn't really connect to her "character." I don't know.
We need to figure out what the precise amount of appropriate babyface ass-kicking versus babyfaces getting their asses kicked actually should be. Because it’s always only ever the extremes of these things. Either you’re always getting your ass kicked, or kicking everyone’s ass with no effort leading to everybody feeling bad for the heel instead. Ass. I'm trying to think of a modern superstar who's been great at this and on the main roster it's hard to think of one. Dean Ambrose might fit but his booking was an issue. Still, he won most of his matches even though he got beaten up a good amount. Balor might qualify but on the main roster he hasn't really had any major issues. Actually, AJ Styles fits this. He got beaten up a great amount and yet he kicked ass while doing it. That's one of the only things I can say in regards to his face run and that's the fact that he dished out as much as he got.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 9, 2021 22:24:01 GMT -5
This being her idea makes sense, but man, a room full of professional writers should be able to take general ideas and make them at least kind of better. If Nikki's ideal is "I come off like I'm written by a five year old, but not a cool and imaginative five year old like the five year old who came up with Axe Cop, a really boring and lame five year old" then that's all well and good, but someone should be able to recognize "Hey this is bad" and try to redirect it. Allowing this gimmick to simply die on the vine absolutely neglectful on the part of everyone who isn't stepping in to steer this out of the hell time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 22:27:14 GMT -5
And honestly I say put her against Alexa asap because a gimmick like this only works best against another wacky gimmick like Alexas. If you put it against the Charlottes or the Rheas or any realistic wrestlers then it falls straight on it's face. Hard. We know they'll feud soon so the quicker the better.
It's like Ambrose when he went against Wyatt. Those 2 gimmicks worked best against each other because they weren't the standard "hey guys I wanna wrestle, ok cool gimme my gear and lemme go" type of characters.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 9, 2021 22:28:15 GMT -5
Nikki's promo would have worked in like a children's picture book because there the hero wouldn't talk about her night light only to run out and get the shit beat out of her for 20 minutes. It's always a bad time when WWE goes like "Yep they're Literally a Child Now™" pfft we all know that they didn't horribly burn a barrel of money with main event face Bayley by making her act like a legitimate child permanently damaging what got her massively over to the point where they had to literally destroy everything about it to get her even remotely over or anything... and still probably doesn't make a tenth of the merch sales she was making as the super face or something... wait.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 9, 2021 22:33:07 GMT -5
Re: this being her idea...correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Stardust originally Cody Rhodes' idea? At minimum, it was his choice at one point to continue the gimmick. That didn't make it less valid that at a certain point, he wanted out because of what WWE creative had made of the gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 22:34:49 GMT -5
Re: this being her idea...correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Stardust originally Cody Rhodes' idea? At minimum, it was his choice at one point to continue the gimmick. That didn't make it less valid that at a certain point, he wanted out because of what WWE creative had made of the gimmick. You're 100% right.
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