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Post by spagett on Jul 30, 2021 6:49:10 GMT -5
Another thing that I've thought about here. The biggest give away thus far that Page vs. Omega is still happening is that no one else is currently being positioned for the World title shot at the show. That's just obvious if you look at the Top 5 rankings this week, with Jungle Boy, Christian Cage, Darby Allin, and Orange Cassidy as the other four being ranked. Everyone but Darby Allin is currently feuding with the HFO, and Darby appears to have called his shot for a different high profile match this week. So of course Hangman has to be the guy regardless of this result. The other big giveaway here is the tag team division rankings, and how it must be a Dark Order tandem that opposes the Young Bucks at All Out. Looking at the top 5 ranked tag teams, we have The Varsity Blonds, The Acclaimed, Private Party, FTR, and Santana & Ortiz. Of these five teams, the Young Bucks have beaten four of the five teams during their reign as champions, leaving Private Party as the lone ranked team to beat. But I need not explain that Private Party has not been built as rising babyface challengers, in fact they are heels currently playing second fiddle to Big Money Matt. On top of that, the other four teams are currently feuding with another ranked team (Blonds vs. Acclaimed, FTR vs. PnP), with them more likely to be positioned against their rivals at All Out as opposed to ascending to #1 Contendership. With no viable challengers in the rankings for either Omega or The Bucks now that Adam Page will drop out of next week's rankings, clearly their All Out opposition must not be currently ranked. It stands to reason that this stipulation will probably be revisited in the coming weeks. If I had to hazard a guess, the most likely scenario is that Hangman and the Dark Order might find themselves double downing on a similar wager in the coming month, but this time with the careers of the entire Dark Order at stake, including Hangman's of course. Perhaps since Hangman, Uno, Grayson, Silver, and Reynolds came up short, they may have to rely on Five, Ten, and Colt this time around against The OG Elite. That would even be a parallel to Kofi-Mania, where when Kofi came up short in the Gauntlet, it was Big E and Xavier who earned the title shot for Kofi in the clutch. Five being the guy to earn Hangman his title shot, after Kenny specifically picked him out to mock a few weeks ago in his promo, would be pretty damn cool actually.
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Post by eJm on Jul 30, 2021 7:17:58 GMT -5
So I will say this;
If it's not happening at All Out (because plans can change again depending on certain things), I will accept it at Full Gear if they want to do a rebuild arc for Page and I'm willing to see where that goes.
Anything after that, I'm much more hesitant to.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 30, 2021 7:43:12 GMT -5
So I will say this; If it's not happening at All Out ( because plans can change again depending on certain things), I will accept it at Full Gear if they want to do a rebuild arc for Page and I'm willing to see where that goes. Anything after that, I'm much more hesitant to. It does lead to the question : Does Warner/TNT put input/pressure into the show (eg : "We'd like it if you used [insert talent here] in a more prominent role"), or do they leave Tony alone for the most part?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 30, 2021 7:47:34 GMT -5
I just wanna say I went back and watched the Dark Order entrance again…. Wow. The lighting trick there everybody’s shadow on the wall made it look like they were wearing cowboys hats. The transition from full color to a purple tint when hangman appeared on screen The 1 by 1 spotlights - complete with the Brodie spotlight I hadn’t previously caught. The low angle shot before the camera cuts to the Elite entrance (I still can’t get over them ACTUALLY DOING the Chicago Bulls entrance rip off 😂) *FassbenderPERFECTION.gif* I’ve watched the entrance like 20 times. F***ing incredible, also I eventually noticed the chyron just said “The Dark Order” with Hangman’s Twitter listed underneath with Uno, Stu, Silver and Reynolds. The teases of him becoming official Dark Order keep getting stronger and stronger EDIT: Screw it, watching it again before golf And here was me thinking they were pulling a big enough membership troll with Tay Conti (who might actually count now, funnily enough. They've put her in with the Dark Order shirt adverts on ShopAEW.) But yeah the other thing that stuck out to me was that Hangman's tights matched the rest of DA's.
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Post by flowercity on Jul 30, 2021 9:00:30 GMT -5
It’s gonna be something when everyone here pulls their head out of the sand all at the exact same time.
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Post by Square on Jul 30, 2021 9:23:01 GMT -5
So I will say this; If it's not happening at All Out (because plans can change again depending on certain things), I will accept it at Full Gear if they want to do a rebuild arc for Page and I'm willing to see where that goes. Anything after that, I'm much more hesitant to. I think Full Gear is the intended goal because you have that one year wrap between Omega beating Hangman in the tournament.
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Post by markymark on Jul 30, 2021 10:09:41 GMT -5
For some people the match was like a reversed WWE vs Nexus match Summerslam 2010.
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Post by mattyy on Jul 30, 2021 14:08:27 GMT -5
So I will say this; If it's not happening at All Out (because plans can change again depending on certain things), I will accept it at Full Gear if they want to do a rebuild arc for Page and I'm willing to see where that goes. Anything after that, I'm much more hesitant to. I think Full Gear is the intended goal because you have that one year wrap between Omega beating Hangman in the tournament. I think this moment carries a little more weight though. One year since "letting Kenny down and losing the tag titles". Two years since his greatest failure in not becoming the world champion. Third time's the charm.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 30, 2021 14:18:30 GMT -5
I'll say this - the more I think about the decision, the more it makes sense to me. Obviously you need to have the right follow up, but they've earned my trust. They have so many fun directions they could take this. That's a good problem to have.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 30, 2021 14:36:56 GMT -5
So I will say this; If it's not happening at All Out (because plans can change again depending on certain things), I will accept it at Full Gear if they want to do a rebuild arc for Page and I'm willing to see where that goes. Anything after that, I'm much more hesitant to. All Out has been the site of Page’s greatest failures (losing the inaugural AEW Title match to Jericho in 2019 and losing the AEW Tag Titles to FTR in 2020), so it just makes so much sense for 2021 All Out where he flips the script and succeeds.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 15:10:52 GMT -5
For some people the match was like a reversed WWE vs Nexus match Summerslam 2010. The major difference being Nexus were beaten clean as a sheet and their credibility was destroyed forever... and here Hangman and Dark Order were cheated out of it at every turn
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 15:39:24 GMT -5
I will say if it's pushed to Full Gear it makes some sense to me for a few reasons
1. Punk and or Bryan's debuts/matches wouldn't potentially overshadow Hangman's star making moment
2. Full Gear is a PPV literally named after Hangman Page
3. It marks the year anniversary of Hangman losing to Kenny Omega the first time
4. Hangman's gonna have a baby soon so they might give him some maternity leave? Hell they might play it into his storyline.
I'm saying if they delay it I'm seeing plenty of reasons why they should and can delay it. I don't think Omega's gonna face Punk or Bryan though because he's gonna be the champion when Hangman beats him...
That being said I'd still wait and see what AEW themselves are gonna start building for the next few weeks. People think Christian but he's literally in a feud with HFO and tied to Jungle Boy. He's facing The Blade next week... he's just not near Omega at the moment... so let's see.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Jul 30, 2021 15:47:24 GMT -5
I could honestly see the match be booked for Full Gear in the coming weeks to pacify fans that it's still happening, just later. Or at the very least setting up some kind of #1 Contender match for Hangman at All Out. Obviously cancelling his moment altogether is the wrong move, but if you telegraph that it's been delayed instead, it'll be fine.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 30, 2021 16:08:55 GMT -5
Interesting seeing the turnaround from "No, it's definitely happening at All Out, you're just into instant gratification, how else would they fill 5 weeks of programming" to "Actually it's perfectly logical that it'd happen at another PPV."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 16:27:03 GMT -5
While ill defend Dark Order losing this, if Page isn't getting the match at All out that's a terrible call. It reeks of Naito not getting the big win until too late. Whilst Naito beating Obama was still great, it wasn't what it could be. That's this moment. AEW is hotter that its ever been and its time to strike.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 16:29:25 GMT -5
While ill defend Dark Order losing this, if Page isn't getting the match at All out that's a terrible call. It reeks of Naito not getting the big win until too late. Whilst Naito beating Obama was still great, it wasn't what it could be. That's this moment. AEW is hotter that its ever been and its time to strike. Damn I missed Naito Destinoing the President of the United States??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 16:30:30 GMT -5
While ill defend Dark Order losing this, if Page isn't getting the match at All out that's a terrible call. It reeks of Naito not getting the big win until too late. Whilst Naito beating Obama was still great, it wasn't what it could be. That's this moment. AEW is hotter that its ever been and its time to strike. Damn I missed Naito Destinoing the President of the United States?? Lol, not even gonna edit it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 16:37:20 GMT -5
Damn I missed Naito Destinoing the President of the United States?? Lol, not even gonna edit it. To your actual post: Hangman's fine. Naito's win took YEARS upon YEARS. Hangman's delay would literally be two months. Nothing is gonna change in two months. In fact AEW might be getting a lot more viewers and casual fans hooked in two months... and might only get hotter and hotter. Realistically the road to and All Out might make AEW even hotter than it's ever been heading into Full Gear. Friendly reminder stuff like Arthur Ashe and Newark are happening after All Out... where if Hangman's build begins its rising action? He will have some of the biggest crowds in AEW history to do it in front of. What I'm saying here is they're not gonna ruin Hangman and they're not gonna wait much longer if they do in fact wait. I see why they're doing it and I don't think it's a bad call. Hangman could win the Casino Battle Royale or Ladder Match at All Out and still have a huge moment telling people "Full Gear is it" since that's a guaranteed world title shot. But we'll see what they do. If they do the Tag Battle Royale for a tag title shot? That's also where imo Dark Order would win... there's plenty of things in place where I don't think Hangman isn't gonna lose his momentum if they push it back a little bit.
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Post by khali on Jul 30, 2021 16:39:00 GMT -5
I don’t know why Page needed to get knocked down again. He lost his first AEW title match. He lost the tournament finals to Omega. This is now the second time this year he’s been the number one contender and then lost to lose his position. At a certain point you’re just running along the same track with some differences in the people around him. We just want to see him succeed now, not run over the same ground of getting close and failing. And again, the crowd told them it was the right time.
And at this point, I won’t even be confident he’ll get the win at Full Gear. I can have no expectations for that after they’ve clearly built it for All Out and then didn’t do it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 16:47:18 GMT -5
I don’t know why Page needed to get knocked down again. He lost his first AEW title match. He lost the tournament finals to Omega. This is now the second time this year he’s been the number one contender and then lost to lose his position. At a certain point you’re just running along the same track with some differences in the people around him. We just want to see him succeed now, not run over the same ground of getting close and failing. And again, the crowd told them it was the right time. And at this point, I won’t even be confident he’ll get the win at Full Gear. I can have no expectations for that after they’ve clearly built it for All Out and then didn’t do it. To be fair I think this is legitimately the last time he's failing. With the amount of cheating they had to do to get him out of the top 5 again. If it's pushed to Full Gear imo Hangman's gonna remain hot. Because All Out's potentially gonna have a title shot match. Battle Royale or Ladder Match I would think. And no one else but Hangman's gonna win it if his title shot isn't coming at All Out. Which is gonna be a big pop and a huge moment for the crowd since it's gonna tell them "He has his title shot and it can't be taken away now." Full Gear is his namesake PPV and is the one year anniversary of him losing to Kenny. It's literally the start to his decline. If Full Gear is the cap off to his rise? I think it works out for the best. AEW's in quite the position right now where two of the most coveted wrestlers of this era just fell into their laps. So if things changed a bit but they still have it make sense and keep things fresh and keep Hangman over for his moment? I'm gonna call that a win. I don't think it's gonna get to the point where they miss their window though... because they're gonna have so much shit going on within the next few months I don't see Hangman needing to wait an extra two months for the title win killing him or any steam they might build up in the process.
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