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Post by Dub H on Jul 30, 2021 16:48:11 GMT -5
Honestly if the reason Page lost is jsut because CM Punk.that feels like a classic WWE mistake booking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 16:49:13 GMT -5
Lol, not even gonna edit it. To your actual post: Hangman's fine. Naito's win took YEARS upon YEARS. Hangman's delay would literally be two months. Nothing is gonna change in two months. In fact AEW might be getting a lot more viewers and casual fans hooked in two months... and might only get hotter and hotter. Realistically the road to and All Out might make AEW even hotter than it's ever been heading into Full Gear. Friendly reminder stuff like Arthur Ashe and Newark are happening after All Out... where if Hangman's build begins its rising action? He will have some of the biggest crowds in AEW history to do it in front of. What I'm saying here is they're not gonna ruin Hangman and they're not gonna wait much longer if they do in fact wait. I see why they're doing it and I don't think it's a bad call. Hangman could win the Casino Battle Royale or Ladder Match at All Out and still have a huge moment telling people "Full Gear is it" since that's a guaranteed world title shot. But we'll see what they do. If they do the Tag Battle Royale for a tag title shot? That's also where imo Dark Order would win... there's plenty of things in place where I don't think Hangman isn't gonna lose his momentum if they push it back a little bit. I appreciate your perspective, genuinely. But I really feel that if they don't strike now it'll miss the full potential impact. One can fantasy book anything to make it work. But the crowd is telling you the story it wants. Just my view.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 16:51:05 GMT -5
Honestly if the reason Page lost is jsut because CM Punk.that feels like a classic WWE mistake booking. I think it's way more than Punk imo. As I said I think the story lines up if it's Full Gear due to what happened at the event a year ago. Hangman's kid is also gonna be born soon which means maternity leave. And frankly I wouldn't be shocked if Hangman having a child is played into this storyline and gives Hangman more himself to fight for than just getting the belt. They can realistically do a lot with the storyline still and it doesn't really fall on "It's because of Punk and or Bryan". Because neither of those men are getting the world title shots.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 16:52:35 GMT -5
To your actual post: Hangman's fine. Naito's win took YEARS upon YEARS. Hangman's delay would literally be two months. Nothing is gonna change in two months. In fact AEW might be getting a lot more viewers and casual fans hooked in two months... and might only get hotter and hotter. Realistically the road to and All Out might make AEW even hotter than it's ever been heading into Full Gear. Friendly reminder stuff like Arthur Ashe and Newark are happening after All Out... where if Hangman's build begins its rising action? He will have some of the biggest crowds in AEW history to do it in front of. What I'm saying here is they're not gonna ruin Hangman and they're not gonna wait much longer if they do in fact wait. I see why they're doing it and I don't think it's a bad call. Hangman could win the Casino Battle Royale or Ladder Match at All Out and still have a huge moment telling people "Full Gear is it" since that's a guaranteed world title shot. But we'll see what they do. If they do the Tag Battle Royale for a tag title shot? That's also where imo Dark Order would win... there's plenty of things in place where I don't think Hangman isn't gonna lose his momentum if they push it back a little bit. I appreciate your perspective, genuinely. But I really feel that if they don't strike now it'll miss the full potential impact. One can fantasy book anything to make it work. But the crowd is telling you the story it wants. Just my view. I do agree the crowd is white hot for it now but considering how invested the AEW Crowd is with Hangman? I don't see any realm where the match being pushed to Full Gear diminishes the reaction or the story told. Hangman potentially kicking out of the One Winged Angel is gonna cause people to stand out of their seats imo.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 30, 2021 16:56:30 GMT -5
I appreciate your perspective, genuinely. But I really feel that if they don't strike now it'll miss the full potential impact. One can fantasy book anything to make it work. But the crowd is telling you the story it wants. Just my view. I do agree the crowd is white hot for it now but considering how invested the AEW Crowd is with Hangman? I don't see any realm where the match being pushed to Full Gear diminishes the reaction or the story told. Hangman potentially kicking out of the One Winged Angel is gonna cause people to stand out of their seats imo. Full Gear is the absolute limit I feel fans would accept it. I REALLY want it to be All Out and I feel like it’s a mistake if they don’t have that match there. It’s not a mistake they can’t overcome however, as I want Page to be champion so badly. Because him not beating Omega for title would be the REAL mistake.
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Post by chrom on Jul 30, 2021 16:58:18 GMT -5
All Out's the biggest show of the year for AEW, why would you not have Page win it there?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 17:02:21 GMT -5
I will say this is all on the notion that they may very well push it back to Full Gear and if they do I think it'd be fine
I don't think there is any indication it won't still happen at All Out aside from the fact that because Hangman lost the 5 vs 5 that means they're gonna wait a little longer.
Aside from Meltzer and Fightful's vague speculation on the subject we really have no clue what's happening. For all we know this week the storyline picks right back up again on Homecoming. We're basically just gonna get ourselves worked up until we actually know the path due to the curveball in the road.
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Post by khali on Jul 30, 2021 17:04:36 GMT -5
I don’t know why Page needed to get knocked down again. He lost his first AEW title match. He lost the tournament finals to Omega. This is now the second time this year he’s been the number one contender and then lost to lose his position. At a certain point you’re just running along the same track with some differences in the people around him. We just want to see him succeed now, not run over the same ground of getting close and failing. And again, the crowd told them it was the right time. And at this point, I won’t even be confident he’ll get the win at Full Gear. I can have no expectations for that after they’ve clearly built it for All Out and then didn’t do it. To be fair I think this is legitimately the last time he's failing. With the amount of cheating they had to do to get him out of the top 5 again. If it's pushed to Full Gear imo Hangman's gonna remain hot. Because All Out's potentially gonna have a title shot match. Battle Royale or Ladder Match I would think. And no one else but Hangman's gonna win it if his title shot isn't coming at All Out. Which is gonna be a big pop and a huge moment for the crowd since it's gonna tell them "He has his title shot and it can't be taken away now." Full Gear is his namesake PPV and is the one year anniversary of him losing to Kenny. It's literally the start to his decline. If Full Gear is the cap off to his rise? I think it works out for the best. AEW's in quite the position right now where two of the most coveted wrestlers of this era just fell into their laps. So if things changed a bit but they still have it make sense and keep things fresh and keep Hangman over for his moment? I'm gonna call that a win. I don't think it's gonna get to the point where they miss their window though... because they're gonna have so much shit going on within the next few months I don't see Hangman needing to wait an extra two months for the title win killing him or any steam they might build up in the process. I mean, it’s very likely he’ll be as hot then. But we know how hot he is now. That’s what worries me. It’s a gamble.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 30, 2021 17:04:40 GMT -5
I think as I’ve said in another thread, there is 5 Dynamites and 4 Rampages between now and All Out. I am willing to see where this goes. AEW does have a benefit of the doubt with me. I will say next week will be VERY interesting to say the least.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 17:05:04 GMT -5
I appreciate your perspective, genuinely. But I really feel that if they don't strike now it'll miss the full potential impact. One can fantasy book anything to make it work. But the crowd is telling you the story it wants. Just my view. I do agree the crowd is white hot for it now but considering how invested the AEW Crowd is with Hangman? I don't see any realm where the match being pushed to Full Gear diminishes the reaction or the story told. Hangman potentially kicking out of the One Winged Angel is gonna cause people to stand out of their seats imo. Of course it will. But its the difference between taking a steak out of a pan when it's perfect and when its a bit over done. Still good, but not the same. Anyway, will leave it there before we get circular.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 17:06:23 GMT -5
I think as I’ve said in another thread, there is 5 Dynamites and 4 Rampages between now and All Out. I am willing to see where this goes. AEW does have a benefit of the doubt with me. I will say next week will be VERY interesting to say the least. The Elite and or Dark Order/Hangman haven't been booked for the card yet which is also interesting. I imagine Omega's on this card bragging about the win to the Homecoming crowd. And if so and people are like "Oh it's gonna be Christian" like... Christian's busy that night with The Blade and HFO... so I don't see how. Maybe they set up a thing where the winner of the Casino Battle Royale they might have faces Omega the same nightin the Main Event. And Hangman's in it. And that's how we get to it.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jul 30, 2021 17:06:26 GMT -5
They may still make it work, probably will even (if they pull the trigger at All Out amyway) but it does feel completely unnecessary to add a further twist in Hangman's route to a title match, he'd already had the knock backs and picked himself back up, the crowd there was ready, it feels like the fans at home we're ready, sometimes predictable is good and I think this was one of those occasions.
Five weeks would have been a nice period of time to have the match set and heat it up from there.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 17:34:59 GMT -5
Interesting seeing the turnaround from "No, it's definitely happening at All Out, you're just into instant gratification, how else would they fill 5 weeks of programming" to "Actually it's perfectly logical that it'd happen at another PPV." For the record I still think it's happening at All Out. I just wanted to give my thoughts on how it might make sense if it's pushed back That being said I dont see why it would be. Punk or Bryan aren't gonna face Omega... neither of them are gonna win and it wouldn't make sense for either of them. Bryan's probably not even debuting till Arthur Ashe. Punk looks to be facing Darby Your other option is Christian who I don't see moving on from Express and the HFO feud. I could see that continuing into the Battle Royale where logically you see Christian win and get a future title shot by potentially eliminating Jungle Boy this time as a play on the previous Battle Royale. That's of course if All Out's doing the Battle Royale but they usually have something like that on the show. Hangman vs Omega for the title sells the card just as much as Punk being on it vs Darby would. I don't think they're gonna subtract from that and delay Hangman. If they do the contingency plan better be a good one.
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Post by mattyy on Jul 30, 2021 17:41:54 GMT -5
I think as I’ve said in another thread, there is 5 Dynamites and 4 Rampages between now and All Out. I am willing to see where this goes. AEW does have a benefit of the doubt with me. I will say next week will be VERY interesting to say the least. The Elite and or Dark Order/Hangman haven't been booked for the card yet which is also interesting. I imagine Omega's on this card bragging about the win to the Homecoming crowd. And if so and people are like "Oh it's gonna be Christian" like... Christian's busy that night with The Blade and HFO... so I don't see how. Maybe they set up a thing where the winner of the Casino Battle Royale they might have faces Omega the same nightin the Main Event. And Hangman's in it. And that's how we get to it. except it's the women's casino match that was booked back during double or nothing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 17:45:55 GMT -5
The Elite and or Dark Order/Hangman haven't been booked for the card yet which is also interesting. I imagine Omega's on this card bragging about the win to the Homecoming crowd. And if so and people are like "Oh it's gonna be Christian" like... Christian's busy that night with The Blade and HFO... so I don't see how. Maybe they set up a thing where the winner of the Casino Battle Royale they might have faces Omega the same nightin the Main Event. And Hangman's in it. And that's how we get to it. except it's the women's casino match that was booked back during double or nothing. Again it's all speculation. You can realistically do both for each title. You could do a Ladder Match too. Depends on how you wanna do it. But I think the actual road for that potential path would be for Christian to get a shot and not for Hangman. Still think Hangman's going to All Out just fine until proven otherwise.
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Post by markymark on Jul 30, 2021 17:50:16 GMT -5
All Out's the biggest show of the year for AEW, why would you not have Page win it there? That was DON, the All Out name was tarnished for what happened last year.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2021 17:52:02 GMT -5
All Out's the biggest show of the year for AEW, why would you not have Page win it there? That was DON, the All Out name was tarnished for what happened last year. Eh I wouldn't go that far. But really there is no BIGGEST PPV OF THE YEAR for AEW... they really stack all their shows pretty evenly imo.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 30, 2021 18:02:57 GMT -5
I will say this is all on the notion that they may very well push it back to Full Gear and if they do I think it'd be fine I don't think there is any indication it won't still happen at All Out aside from the fact that because Hangman lost the 5 vs 5 that means they're gonna wait a little longer. Aside from Meltzer and Fightful's vague speculation on the subject we really have no clue what's happening. For all we know this week the storyline picks right back up again on Homecoming. We're basically just gonna get ourselves worked up until we actually know the path due to the curveball in the road. Meltzer literally wrote that Hangman is not getting the title match at All Out. Plans would have to change again unless he’s been fed false information.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 30, 2021 18:30:19 GMT -5
CP Munk needs the strap, brother. Page will understand
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Post by eJm on Jul 30, 2021 18:32:27 GMT -5
CP Munk needs the strap, brother. Page will understand I like the idea of WWE and AEW going to Quackenbush to try and get the “rights” to CP Munk just so the other one can’t get it.
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