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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 29, 2021 7:19:49 GMT -5
I will also say... The entrances were perfection. Like, I don't think there was anything I'd change from either side. Not going through the whole thread to see if someone else mentioned it, but there was an extra spotlight there. No one did that I saw. I saw Colt wearing Brodie's shirt... that was it. And now I'm gonna go cry
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Post by khali on Jul 29, 2021 7:30:38 GMT -5
Yikes . . . on Observer Radio Alvarez speculated that they could do Omega/Christian at All Out. I like Christian, but that would be a huge mistake. Anything but Omega/Page would be a mistake.
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Post by eJm on Jul 29, 2021 7:34:06 GMT -5
Yikes . . . on Observer Radio Alvarez speculated that they could do Omega/Christian at All Out. I like Christian, but that would be a huge mistake. Anything but Omega/Page would be a mistake. I very much reckon Omega/Christian happens at a show building towards All Out, just to add some extra spice to the build. For my money, I'd probably have it on the last Dynamite before Rampage starts.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 29, 2021 7:34:21 GMT -5
Just wanna say, I'm imagining Tony Khan sitting at his desk, reading the message boards and rubbing his hands together with a big shit-eating grin over how much people are talking about this. Like, this show had Tanahashi, King Haku and Nick F'n Gage, but people are split in half over the result of the opening match, featuring his hottest face and heel. That's how you know you're doing it right, when your stars are getting the attention over the special guests.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 29, 2021 7:51:35 GMT -5
Just wanna say, I'm imagining Tony Khan sitting at his desk, reading the message boards and rubbing his hands together with a big shit-eating grin over how much people are talking about this. Like, this show had Tanahashi, King Haku and Nick F'n Gage, but people are split in half over the result of the opening match, featuring his hottest face and heel. That's how you know you're doing it right, when your stars are getting the attention over the special guests. This frankly was also the time to do this... because with what we imagine is coming at The First Dance and beyond... you wanna shoot this shot and then get the build up in the next few weeks... because I have a feeling the wrestling world is gonna be talking about two very specific names showing up on AEW soon. I'd say with The First Dance we're getting one right before All Out... the other? Well that might come down to a Final Countdown
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 29, 2021 7:53:02 GMT -5
Yikes . . . on Observer Radio Alvarez speculated that they could do Omega/Christian at All Out. I like Christian, but that would be a huge mistake. Anything but Omega/Page would be a mistake. I very much reckon Omega/Christian happens at a show building towards All Out, just to add some extra spice to the build. For my money, I'd probably have it on the last Dynamite before Rampage starts. I'm guessing Alvarez speculated that since he hates when plot threads or moments are introduced that don't go anywhere, and he still sometimes references that time Christian looked at the AEW title before Kenny snatched it back from him. I've said before that I think you can get away with not doing Hangman vs. Omega at All Out (not saying they should do that, just that they can) as long as they ensure that both men have top level opponents for that night and they keep up the storyline that all roads will eventually lead to the blow off title match, but that'd mean having Omega's challenger for All Out be Danielson or something huge like that while Hangman does something that hits the story beat that he's officially not letting his insecurities return after this setback and that his win is on the very near horizon. I like Christian, but they know at this stage that's not where he's at, and you'd only have these five weeks to build him up from a current midcard storyline to the main event and that's just not really feasible.
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Post by khali on Jul 29, 2021 8:03:34 GMT -5
I very much reckon Omega/Christian happens at a show building towards All Out, just to add some extra spice to the build. For my money, I'd probably have it on the last Dynamite before Rampage starts. I'm guessing Alvarez speculated that since he hates when plot threads or moments are introduced that don't go anywhere, and he still sometimes references that time Christian looked at the AEW title before Kenny snatched it back from him. I've said before that I think you can get away with not doing Hangman vs. Omega at All Out (not saying they should do that, just that they can) as long as they ensure that both men have top level opponents for that night and they keep up the storyline that all roads will eventually lead to the blow off title match, but that'd mean having Omega's challenger for All Out be Danielson or something huge like that while Hangman does something that hits the story beat that he's officially not letting his insecurities return after this setback and that his win is on the very near horizon. I like Christian, but they know at this stage that's not where he's at, and you'd only have these five weeks to build him up from a current midcard storyline to the main event and that's just not really feasible. Aside from just not striking while they iron is hot with Page, I think the other problem with not doing it at All Out is it’s going to make it obvious that Omega beats whoever he faces at the show. Yeah, this match result was a surprise last night but now you’re just in delaying the inevitable territory. And I don’t really know what you could do with Hangman that wouldn’t feel like a comedown.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 29, 2021 8:10:23 GMT -5
I guess the one thing I'm wary of is : is 5 weeks enough time for Page to rack up enough wins to be #1 again?
If he's supposed to go back to the dead-bottom of the rankings (and not just out of the top 5), shouldn't he have to be racking up wins over Ryzin and Baron Black on Dark before he can start mixing it up with the big names again?
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Jul 29, 2021 8:11:52 GMT -5
Just wanna say, I'm imagining Tony Khan sitting at his desk, reading the message boards and rubbing his hands together with a big shit-eating grin over how much people are talking about this. Like, this show had Tanahashi, King Haku and Nick F'n Gage, but people are split in half over the result of the opening match, featuring his hottest face and heel. That's how you know you're doing it right, when your stars are getting the attention over the special guests. Vince McMahon: "Pfft.. what's the point of bringing in the special guests if all people are going to talk about is your regular roster?"
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 29, 2021 8:14:25 GMT -5
I guess the one thing I'm wary of is : is 5 weeks enough time for Page to rack up enough wins to be #1 again? If he's supposed to go back to the dead-bottom of the rankings (and not just out of the top 5), shouldn't he have to be racking up wins over Ryzin and Baron Black on Dark before he can start mixing it up with the big names again? 5 Dynamites means 5 Elevations and 5 DARKs. 3 Rampages as well. And who knows with The First Dance being a thing we might get a Bonus Elevation and DARK... they're gonna film more than one hour at the damn United Center If Hangman has to fight from the very bottom up he can very much do that within the remaining time given against the lower/mid/upper card and presumably also taking out some of The Elite too.
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Post by warden on Jul 29, 2021 8:29:34 GMT -5
The end of that match was a choice. Hangman got nikki'd, well except for the lame promo and beat down at the end so it was almost(get it) as bad. But that result really took the air out of the place and never really recovered, probably because they were all asking themselves the same question, "What the heck? I thought page was winning?" For a moment I thought after the match Bryan was going to show up and challenge omega and everyone would go wild and we would forget all about hangman, would have been funny.
I think the end game is still omega vs hangman, but taking this detour to get there is kind of redundant. He's already failed, and they've been saying he was a loser all this time, tonight should have been a statement that him and his lame buddies are winners. But then my brain starts grinding and goes, wait, are they going the omega vs christian route? I only say that because JR had a little line about "maybe christian goes after kenny." Of course that could just have been JR doing his own personal commentary, but with Alvarez now mentioning it it does make me go hmm maybe... But I really doubt it, Christian seems to be still occupied in his lame feud with matt.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 29, 2021 8:33:51 GMT -5
The end of that match was a choice. Hangman got nikki'd, well except for the lame promo and beat down at the end so it was almost(get it) as bad. But that result really took the air out of the place and never really recovered, probably because they were all asking themselves the same question, "What the heck? I thought page was winning?" For a moment I thought after the match Bryan was going to show up and challenge omega and everyone would go wild and we would forget all about hangman, would have been funny. I think the end game is still omega vs hangman, but taking this detour to get there is kind of redundant. He's already failed, and they've been saying he was a loser all this time, tonight should have been a statement that him and his lame buddies are winners. But then my brain starts grinding and goes, wait, are they going the omega vs christian route? I only say that because JR had a little line about "maybe christian goes after kenny." Of course that could just have been JR doing his own personal commentary, but with Alvarez now mentioning it it does make me go hmm maybe... But I really doubt it, Christian seems to be still occupied in his lame feud with matt. The thing is, he didn’t lose clean. The bad guys had to use every trick in the book just to win, so it’s hardly a death sentence loss.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 29, 2021 8:37:35 GMT -5
Enough misery booking already. We've been in a goddamn pandemic for 18 months and our escapist TV shows wanna do nothing but give us more depressing endings.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 29, 2021 8:39:12 GMT -5
Enough misery booking already. We've been in a goddamn pandemic for 18 months and our escapist TV shows wanna do nothing but give us more depressing endings. To be fair, AEW hasn’t indulged in misery booking to an insane amount as other companies might’ve. The heels’ comeuppance is sure to come soon.
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Post by warden on Jul 29, 2021 8:41:47 GMT -5
The end of that match was a choice. Hangman got nikki'd, well except for the lame promo and beat down at the end so it was almost(get it) as bad. But that result really took the air out of the place and never really recovered, probably because they were all asking themselves the same question, "What the heck? I thought page was winning?" For a moment I thought after the match Bryan was going to show up and challenge omega and everyone would go wild and we would forget all about hangman, would have been funny. I think the end game is still omega vs hangman, but taking this detour to get there is kind of redundant. He's already failed, and they've been saying he was a loser all this time, tonight should have been a statement that him and his lame buddies are winners. But then my brain starts grinding and goes, wait, are they going the omega vs christian route? I only say that because JR had a little line about "maybe christian goes after kenny." Of course that could just have been JR doing his own personal commentary, but with Alvarez now mentioning it it does make me go hmm maybe... But I really doubt it, Christian seems to be still occupied in his lame feud with matt. The thing is, he didn’t lose clean. The bad guys had to use every trick in the book just to win, so it’s hardly a death sentence loss. I know he didn't lose clean, but the refs in aew have been so lax with the rules that no one fears getting disqualified so it just gives the impression that they can do anything and nothing will happen, thus it just feels like a normal loss. I was surprised that two of the participants even got counted out during the melee
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Post by Celgress on Jul 29, 2021 8:41:53 GMT -5
I was a bit disappointed as a suspension of disbelief fan at the time with the result. However, as a smark, I understand and appreciate where they are going with things. Long live long-term booking.
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Post by flowercity on Jul 29, 2021 8:44:35 GMT -5
Yikes . . . on Observer Radio Alvarez speculated that they could do Omega/Christian at All Out. I like Christian, but that would be a huge mistake. Anything but Omega/Page would be a mistake. I very much reckon Omega/Christian happens at a show building towards All Out, just to add some extra spice to the build. For my money, I'd probably have it on the last Dynamite before Rampage starts. I think it makes more sense to have Omega vs Christian be the first episode of Rampage.
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Post by eJm on Jul 29, 2021 8:46:12 GMT -5
I very much reckon Omega/Christian happens at a show building towards All Out, just to add some extra spice to the build. For my money, I'd probably have it on the last Dynamite before Rampage starts. I think it makes more sense to have Omega vs Christian be the first episode of Rampage. Sure, but they've heavily built that show around Britt being back home and they'd more likely want to not overshadow that with a title match like that.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 29, 2021 8:50:54 GMT -5
Enough misery booking already. We've been in a goddamn pandemic for 18 months and our escapist TV shows wanna do nothing but give us more depressing endings. To be fair, AEW hasn’t indulged in misery booking to an insane amount as other companies might’ve. The heels’ comeuppance is sure to come soon. It's just... I'm bored of this. WWE have 3 heel champions who don't suffer setbacks, and the last time Kenny had any setback was that bomb not going off. How hard is it to have some natural booking go on for once and have a face actually win a title opportunity and then the title? Biggest PPV of the year is in 5 weeks, just set up the title match and then build for it.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 29, 2021 8:55:43 GMT -5
I think it makes more sense to have Omega vs Christian be the first episode of Rampage. Sure, but they've heavily built that show around Britt being back home and they'd more likely want to not overshadow that with a title match like that. True but I think AEW has shown themselves to be capable of doing multiple big things on a single show and the first Rampage needs to be loaded. Also on the Christian/Alvarez thing, he mainly speculated on it since they mentioned Christian being highly ranked a few times. I'm sure he gets a title match soon. All Out would be a little odd but also in a world where we might get Moxley/Tanahashi and Punk/Darby on it, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
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