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Post by Cyno on Oct 21, 2021 17:51:00 GMT -5
This is the Cage people were likely expecting because while this is a very straight forward introduction there is just something about the presentation of him here that no one else has been able to tap into. And also to go back to something I said about LU giving him small but crucial details that give him that little something that defines only him and that is that we see his immunity to glass bottles. I think it'll take another decade or so, but LU is going to go down as one of those underground things (no pun intended) that will be an influence on something far more successful and mainstream. I recognize that the talent doesn't think fondly of it from the contract and money point of view, but a lot of guys that are now in AEW or WWE got their start and got their shine in LU. It will probably be seen in the future the same way ECW is these days, from the innovations it had in the product to the financial issues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 17:57:11 GMT -5
This is the Cage people were likely expecting because while this is a very straight forward introduction there is just something about the presentation of him here that no one else has been able to tap into. And also to go back to something I said about LU giving him small but crucial details that give him that little something that defines only him and that is that we see his immunity to glass bottles. I think it'll take another decade or so, but LU is going to go down as one of those underground things (no pun intended) that will be an influence on something far more successful and mainstream. I recognize that the talent doesn't think fondly of it from the contract and money point of view, but a lot of guys that are now in AEW or WWE got their start and got their shine in LU. You are seeing many companies aping bits and pieces but they can't replicate it because unlike a straightforward wrestling company , LU's personel was so vital beyond the norm that without that mindset and view no attempt to replicate it would work IMO and MLW is the exact example of this right now. And as far as the contract stuff I have droned on and on about it and quite frankly it just pains me to keep goin back to it because like 90% of people just think it was the contracts and that is simply so far off the path of the actual information.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 21, 2021 19:53:15 GMT -5
This is the Cage people were likely expecting because while this is a very straight forward introduction there is just something about the presentation of him here that no one else has been able to tap into. And also to go back to something I said about LU giving him small but crucial details that give him that little something that defines only him and that is that we see his immunity to glass bottles. I think it'll take another decade or so, but LU is going to go down as one of those underground things (no pun intended) that will be an influence on something far more successful and mainstream. I recognize that the talent doesn't think fondly of it from the contract and money point of view, but a lot of guys that are now in AEW or WWE got their start and got their shine in LU. Agreed. There’s something still there. If a unique entity doesn’t adopt the model I can see WWE or AEW eventually incorporating it as its own off-branch sort of thing.
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Post by markymark on Nov 23, 2021 18:54:37 GMT -5
Melissa Santos on her rant over Brian Cages bookings: “he got all the heat. He didn’t even say anything. I do feel bad about that because he loves wrestling, he loves AEW, adores Tony loves being there and I feel like all of it came from the love of wanting to be more involved and that’s really”
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Post by mattyy on Nov 23, 2021 19:13:40 GMT -5
Melissa Santos on her rant over Brian Cages bookings: “he got all the heat. He didn’t even say anything. I do feel bad about that because he loves wrestling, he loves AEW, adores Tony loves being there and I feel like all of it came from the love of wanting to be more involved and that’s really” I would imagine taking XPW bookings might have something to do with the heat too
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 23, 2021 19:38:19 GMT -5
Melissa Santos isn't so good at understanding cause and effect huh
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 23, 2021 20:26:51 GMT -5
He like... also agreed with her sentiment. It's one thing for his wife to say something but it's another to openly be like "Hmm isn't that interesting??" and then immediately try and backtrack.
Him taking XPW bookings and their title probably soured Tony more than anything though. Cage needs to learn how to drop dead weight and realize he's f***ing up a good thing.
On top of ALL of that... he has a knee injury. The f*** was AEW supposed to even do? It's not their fault the stem cell injection that Cage put into his own knee had a bad side effect. That derailed the Starks/Team Taz feud more than anything.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 24, 2021 9:28:30 GMT -5
Melissa Santos on her rant over Brian Cages bookings: “he got all the heat. He didn’t even say anything. I do feel bad about that because he loves wrestling, he loves AEW, adores Tony loves being there and I feel like all of it came from the love of wanting to be more involved and that’s really” Minute 29:00
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 9:34:25 GMT -5
He like... also agreed with her sentiment. It's one thing for his wife to say something but it's another to openly be like "Hmm isn't that interesting??" and then immediately try and backtrack. Him taking XPW bookings and their title probably soured Tony more than anything though. Cage needs to learn how to drop dead weight and realize he's f***ing up a good thing. On top of ALL of that... he has a knee injury. The f*** was AEW supposed to even do? It's not their fault the stem cell injection that Cage put into his own knee had a bad side effect. That derailed the Starks/Team Taz feud more than anything. Are you implying his wife is 'dead weight' ?
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Nov 24, 2021 9:48:57 GMT -5
He like... also agreed with her sentiment. It's one thing for his wife to say something but it's another to openly be like "Hmm isn't that interesting??" and then immediately try and backtrack. Him taking XPW bookings and their title probably soured Tony more than anything though. Cage needs to learn how to drop dead weight and realize he's f***ing up a good thing. On top of ALL of that... he has a knee injury. The f*** was AEW supposed to even do? It's not their fault the stem cell injection that Cage put into his own knee had a bad side effect. That derailed the Starks/Team Taz feud more than anything. Are you implying his wife is 'dead weight' ? Pretty sure he means the XPW booking/title? Which honestly, is worse than dead weight.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Nov 24, 2021 10:40:33 GMT -5
I know its an unpopular opinoin on this thread to disagree with anything AEW does, but i 100% agree with her. Dude is a unicorn...in pro wrestling you need people to stand out, someone you can look at it and say " i dont know him, but i can tell theres something special about him" pro wrestling today doesnt have that. Most wrestlers today are 6 foot 215lb dudes who look like the type you'd see at a college frat party and then maybe in the gym.
Cage is a unicorn- dude has it all you want in a wrestler. The fact they cant find SOMETHING for him to do, yet a 60 year old Billy Gunn has had more matches and tv time in 6 months than Cage has his whole time in AEW--says alot
Also, if your gonna joke about steroids/needles etc...........i would bet 60% of AEW'S contracted stars who are on tv on a regular basis are on something. Look at some of the early AEW matches and some of the body types, now look at those same dudes 2 years later. no wellness/steroid policy
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 24, 2021 11:06:01 GMT -5
I know its an unpopular opinoin on this thread to disagree with anything AEW does, but i 100% agree with her. Dude is a unicorn...in pro wrestling you need people to stand out, someone you can look at it and say " i dont know him, but i can tell theres something special about him" pro wrestling today doesnt have that. Most wrestlers today are 6 foot 215lb dudes who look like the type you'd see at a college frat party and then maybe in the gym. Cage is a unicorn- dude has it all you want in a wrestler. The fact they cant find SOMETHING for him to do, yet a 60 year old Billy Gunn has had more matches and tv time in 6 months than Cage has his whole time in AEW--says alot Also, if your gonna joke about steroids/needles etc...........i would bet 60% of AEW'S contracted stars who are on tv on a regular basis are on something. Look at some of the early AEW matches and some of the body types, now look at those same dudes 2 years later. no wellness/steroid policy I mean, he's only been off TV since October which isn't that long of a period and he was dealing with some recurring issues around that time anyway. And Billy Gunn definitely has not had more TV time than him in the past six months. Plus a lot of guys in AEW get circled out every so often anyway which is fine. But he's had plenty to do during his run, more than most actually. - Was a surprise entrant and won his first match - Was given one of the best managers in wrestling and then given his old title - Had a world title match where he was protected - Had a well built feud with Darby where he main evented a special edition of Dynamite - Was in Sting's big return match - Was the only guy to pin Hangman in singles competition this year - Had a big singles match at Double or Nothing - Had one of the big featured feuds for when they returned to the road I'm also curious who you believe might be using steroids based on their body transformations over the past two years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 11:10:22 GMT -5
That's life. If you don't feel like you're being used right, go somewhere else.
He big. They small. Unga. Oldest argument in wrestling. Can't give a shit less about people's sizes.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2021 11:13:39 GMT -5
I know its an unpopular opinoin on this thread to disagree with anything AEW does First off, people need to stop spreading this. It's not true and acting like people disagreeing with you is somehow "unpopular opinion" is super lame and spreads false narratives. Does this place have defenders that need to cool their jets? Yeah. Does the WWE forum have defenders that need to cool their jets? Yeah. So it's not a one place thing. Second, I mean...the issue with a lot of people, and I can agree with this too, is that Cage's problem hasn't been with his in ring ability or his size or anything like that...it's hard to narrow down who Brian Cage is as a character. Like, compare him to Lance Archer. He's also big and scary but what Archer brings is that added element of "I'm going to wreck people by throwing people on them" or "My entrance is going to have me chewing jobber bones to the ring", different things like that and it's worked for him. You can have Lance Archer in a big match and have people know that shit's going down because "Everybody dies" etc. Cage? I mean, he's big. He's quick. He can hit a mean F5 but...that's sort of it? There isn't anything dynamic about the guy and I say this as a fan of his matches, Cage/Page at Double or Nothing is probably one of the more underrated matches of the year, but he sort of suffers almost from the early 2000s WWE thing of bringing out a guy because he's big and hoping he'd click and he sort of doesn't? It's really a shame and frankly, Lucha Underground was the only place that "got" him because he was able to be embraced in the world it was in. Impact made him champion but let's be honest, his most memorable moment as champion was losing to Tessa Blancard. And it wasn't even because it was him involved. Also, Santos, if you say your husband has heat in the lockerroom because of what you said...maybe that's your cue to not say anything? It might help him not have heat anymore. Crazy, I know.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 24, 2021 11:29:58 GMT -5
I know its an unpopular opinoin on this thread to disagree with anything AEW does First off, people need to stop spreading this. It's not true and acting like people disagreeing with you is somehow "unpopular opinion" is super lame and spreads false narratives. Does this place have defenders that need to cool their jets? Yeah. Does the WWE forum have defenders that need to cool their jets? Yeah. So it's not a one place thing. Second, I mean...the issue with a lot of people, and I can agree with this too, is that Cage's problem hasn't been with his in ring ability or his size or anything like that...it's hard to narrow down who Brian Cage is as a character. Like, compare him to Lance Archer. He's also big and scary but what Archer brings is that added element of "I'm going to wreck people by throwing people on them" or "My entrance is going to have me chewing jobber bones to the ring", different things like that and it's worked for him. You can have Lance Archer in a big match and have people know that shit's going down because "Everybody dies" etc. Cage? I mean, he's big. He's quick. He can hit a mean F5 but...that's sort of it? There isn't anything dynamic about the guy and I say this as a fan of his matches, Cage/Page at Double or Nothing is probably one of the more underrated matches of the year, but he sort of suffers almost from the early 2000s WWE thing of bringing out a guy because he's big and hoping he'd click and he sort of doesn't? It's really a shame and frankly, Lucha Underground was the only place that "got" him because he was able to be embraced in the world it was in. Impact made him champion but let's be honest, his most memorable moment as champion was losing to Tessa Blancard. And it wasn't even because it was him involved. Also, Santos, if you say your husband has heat in the lockerroom because of what you said...maybe that's your cue to not say anything? It might help him not have heat anymore. Crazy, I know. It's just, I can name more big dudes in AEW I'd rather watch than Cage tbh. Hobbs, Archer, the Boulders, Wardlow,Pres10 Vance, Comoroto, there are just a lot of dudes that are more interesting to me than Cage nowadays. He stood out early on because AEW didn't have a ton of big guys but now they do and I'm more interested in them.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2021 11:34:52 GMT -5
First off, people need to stop spreading this. It's not true and acting like people disagreeing with you is somehow "unpopular opinion" is super lame and spreads false narratives. Does this place have defenders that need to cool their jets? Yeah. Does the WWE forum have defenders that need to cool their jets? Yeah. So it's not a one place thing. Second, I mean...the issue with a lot of people, and I can agree with this too, is that Cage's problem hasn't been with his in ring ability or his size or anything like that...it's hard to narrow down who Brian Cage is as a character. Like, compare him to Lance Archer. He's also big and scary but what Archer brings is that added element of "I'm going to wreck people by throwing people on them" or "My entrance is going to have me chewing jobber bones to the ring", different things like that and it's worked for him. You can have Lance Archer in a big match and have people know that shit's going down because "Everybody dies" etc. Cage? I mean, he's big. He's quick. He can hit a mean F5 but...that's sort of it? There isn't anything dynamic about the guy and I say this as a fan of his matches, Cage/Page at Double or Nothing is probably one of the more underrated matches of the year, but he sort of suffers almost from the early 2000s WWE thing of bringing out a guy because he's big and hoping he'd click and he sort of doesn't? It's really a shame and frankly, Lucha Underground was the only place that "got" him because he was able to be embraced in the world it was in. Impact made him champion but let's be honest, his most memorable moment as champion was losing to Tessa Blancard. And it wasn't even because it was him involved. Also, Santos, if you say your husband has heat in the lockerroom because of what you said...maybe that's your cue to not say anything? It might help him not have heat anymore. Crazy, I know. It's just, I can name more big dudes in AEW I'd rather watch than Cage tbh. Hobbs, Archer, the Boulders, Wardlow,Pres10 Vance, Comoroto, there are just a lot of dudes that are more interesting to me than Cage nowadays. He stood out early on because AEW didn't have a ton of big guys but now they do and I'm more interested in them. I think that's the thing; there are so many big men now that have adapted somewhat or took opportunities to adapt. Preston Vance joining the Dark Order was probably the best thing to happen to the guy since he'd probably be in Cage's position if he didn't, Coromoto has the mad man hair and the straight jacket, Hobbs has the scowl and the look of a man who (as seen on Sammy's Vlog) admires the life and times of Deebo, Bear Country are giant scary bear men. Cage is extremely talented but on a roster of extremely talented people, there's only so much traction you can get and only so many times you can wear the cool Terminator gear before you need something else.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 24, 2021 11:38:48 GMT -5
I've thought since he joined the company that Marko should form a tag team with a very large man for the comedic size difference. Cage could be that guy. He could literally use Marko for curls during interviews.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Nov 24, 2021 11:38:58 GMT -5
I know its an unpopular opinoin on this thread to disagree with anything AEW does, but i 100% agree with her. Dude is a unicorn...in pro wrestling you need people to stand out, someone you can look at it and say " i dont know him, but i can tell theres something special about him" pro wrestling today doesnt have that. Most wrestlers today are 6 foot 215lb dudes who look like the type you'd see at a college frat party and then maybe in the gym. Cage is a unicorn- dude has it all you want in a wrestler. The fact they cant find SOMETHING for him to do, yet a 60 year old Billy Gunn has had more matches and tv time in 6 months than Cage has his whole time in AEW--says alot Getting past that Ricky Starks/Team Taz feud is the first step to doing something more worthwhile with him. Injuries have slowed things down considerably, honestly I'd probably just drop it and have Cage do something completely different once he's back. Maybe put him in a program with Lance Archer when he comes back.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2021 11:40:00 GMT -5
I've thought since he joined the company that Marko should form a tag team with a very large man for the comedic size difference. Cage could be that guy. He could literally use Marko for curls during interviews. See, THAT would be fun. Marko thinking he needs to prove himself, bumps into Cage and they just go on a tear with Cage tossing Marko around so much, Dr. Luthor takes issue with how abusive he is. In that he wish he thought of it and that's how they feud.
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Post by bob on Nov 24, 2021 11:43:15 GMT -5
Cage has one of the most shocking and iconic moments in the history of AEW when he powerbombed Sting
beyond that he's just been sort of there and injury prone
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