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Post by Kalmia on Mar 10, 2023 17:11:24 GMT -5
dunno if this is right place for this but Riho has deleted twitter after a... certain fanbase were bullying her and also making very sexual comments to her online The tennis racket enthusiast from Kentucky and his "cult" are the dirt worst. Pond scum doesn't even begin to describe how despicable they are. I don't care if 99% of the time he delivers the best and most insightful wrestling analysis in the world. That 1% of being a racist and homophobic bastard cancels it all out. And it's a lot more than a 99%/1% divide. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 10, 2023 17:24:12 GMT -5
Ugh, I hate how I like to listen Tennis racket's man into the insight of wrestling history, but hate everything about his racist and homophobic and hate on modern wrestling along with his mob army.
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Post by deviljatt86 on Mar 10, 2023 18:07:16 GMT -5
I have a question: Is anyone being held back because of racism in AEW? From whatever I have read, that's a no, but I may be wrong and if I am, I will gladly accept my mistake. But if no one is being held back because their race, why must someone be pushed because of it? And yes, wanting the champion to be a PoC is exactly that. There are a lot of people in AEW that I want to become champion one day but none of the reasons behind me wanting it, is because of their race. The opposite of racism isn't pushing other races, but instead the opposite of racism is to not take race into consideration when making decisions.
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Post by coleslaw on Mar 10, 2023 18:13:28 GMT -5
with Starks & Swerve showing they're more than ready for the main event scene, and Keith Lee & Hobbs being pretty easy to move up, I don't think there's really a good reason not to. Especially with the main event being pretty meh right now.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Mar 10, 2023 18:24:42 GMT -5
The next first-time AEW original (not counting any who've had notable WWE or NJPW runs) champ will come from one of Darby, Jungle Boy, or Starks. I think Khan has a list in his head of who succeeds MJF and in which order and although Khan isn't a very flexible booker IMO it is possible to move down this list (Sammy) or up it (Wardlow). Of the three guys currently at the top Starks does have the most momentum. Keeping that momentum will be tough as the nature of the AEW title booking and MJF's character is for him to have the title for a while and weaseling out of defenses whenever he can. I hope he can do it there's a real connection with the crowd there that shows he has the potential to be the face of the company.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 10, 2023 18:31:53 GMT -5
It shouldn't have to come down to racism to continue to put pressure on a company to better themselves and put other people in position to succeed
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Post by mc74 on Mar 10, 2023 19:37:29 GMT -5
The tennis racket enthusiast from Kentucky and his "cult" are the dirt worst. Pond scum doesn't even begin to describe how despicable they are. I don't care if 99% of the time he delivers the best and most insightful wrestling analysis in the world. That 1% of being a racist and homophobic bastard cancels it all out. And it's a lot more than a 99%/1% divide. I can't listen to him at all. The way he shits on what he doesn't view as "real wrestling" comes across no different than people who have this "alpha male" mentality, coupled with the racist, misogynistic, and homophobic shit he spews is more than enough to turn me off from listening to anything he has to say. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 10, 2023 20:01:34 GMT -5
I have a question: Is anyone being held back because of racism in AEW? From whatever I have read, that's a no, but I may be wrong and if I am, I will gladly accept my mistake. But if no one is being held back because their race, why must someone be pushed because of it? And yes, wanting the champion to be a PoC is exactly that. There are a lot of people in AEW that I want to become champion one day but none of the reasons behind me wanting it, is because of their race. The opposite of racism isn't pushing other races, but instead the opposite of racism is to not take race into consideration when making decisions. While I don't think it's a huge issue for AEW, I do have to say that's not really how anti-racism works; saying "let's be colorblind" only really works when the social status quo isn't still "certain groups get advantaged over others due to racial bias, whether implicit or explicit." Note - I don't think AEW is biased against people main eventing on the basis of race, given that they're pretty enthusiastically pushing a lot of diverse wrestlers, but I'm talking in terms of broader societal issues; it's like when some people hear the "I Have a Dream" speech and think King meant we should stop recognizing race now, and thus we shouldn't address racial issues because "hey, it's what King said!", instead of what he actually meant, which was "I want to get to the point where race means nothing that could negatively impact anyone, but we're clearly not there yet." Basically, it's fair to address a historical systemic racial issue as part of a fight against institutional racism, and as part of the journey of trying to reach a colorblind society. Again, though, in this particular case I don't really think it's keeping diverse wrestlers in AEW away from getting up the card. |
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Post by deviljatt86 on Mar 11, 2023 3:02:23 GMT -5
I have a question: Is anyone being held back because of racism in AEW? From whatever I have read, that's a no, but I may be wrong and if I am, I will gladly accept my mistake. But if no one is being held back because their race, why must someone be pushed because of it? And yes, wanting the champion to be a PoC is exactly that. There are a lot of people in AEW that I want to become champion one day but none of the reasons behind me wanting it, is because of their race. The opposite of racism isn't pushing other races, but instead the opposite of racism is to not take race into consideration when making decisions. While I don't think it's a huge issue for AEW, I do have to say that's not really has anti-racism works; saying "let's be colorblind" only really works when the social status quo isn't still "certain groups get advantaged over others due to racial bias, whether implicit or explicit." Note - I don't think AEW is biased against people main eventing on the basis of race, given that they're pretty enthusiastically pushing a lot of diverse wrestlers, but I'm talking in terms of broader societal issues; it's like when some people hear the "I Have a Dream" speech and think King meant we should stop recognizing race now, and thus we shouldn't address racial issues because "hey, it's what King said!", instead of what he actually meant, which was "I want to get to the point where race means nothing that could negatively impact anyone, but we're clearly not there yet." Basically, it's fair to address a historical systemic racial issue as part of a fight against institutional racism, and as part of the journey of trying to reach a colorblind society. Again, though, in this particular case I don't really think it's keeping diverse wrestlers in AEW away from getting up the card. While I agree with you about the end goal being that we eventually get to a point in history where race means nothing, I disagree with the methods. I don't believe 2 wrongs make 1 right, but instead we should focus on eliminating the wrong. Address the systemic racism, both currently and historically, but we should work to eliminate it instead of promoting it the other way. Lets assume if a wrestler is held behind because of his race while another is pushed because of his race, the response shouldn't be to reverse it and push the previously held back wrestler and hold back the previously pushed wrestler. The correct response should be to remove the people that are letting race pay a part, negatively or positively, in the push of an individual. I know that the reversing the racism is much easier than removing the system of racism, it doesn't mean we should do the easier thing just because its easy, even if its not actually solving the problem. On a side note, for a cynic, having someone become the first PoC champion is less of deserved position and more of a publicity stunt, which is definitely not solve anything. Long story short, I think AEW should push Starks, Hobbs, Keith Lee, etc because they deserve it, not because either one of them can become the FIRST PoC AEW Champion. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 11, 2023 8:50:30 GMT -5
I’m a white boy from rural Manitoba, so I don’t really have much of a relevant opinion to add to any of this except that after watching Rampage last night TK really needs to get off his ass and start the Swerve mega push.
I’ve been on the Swerve bandwagon for quite sometime, but that promo last night just felt like he had found another level and I was already calling for him to get the rocket strapped to him.
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Post by markymark on Mar 11, 2023 10:02:19 GMT -5
I’m a white boy from rural Manitoba, so I don’t really have much of a relevant opinion to add to any of this except that after watching Rampage last night TK really needs to get off his ass and start the Swerve mega push. I’ve been on the Swerve bandwagon for quite sometime, but that promo last night just felt like he had found another level and I was already calling for him to get the rocket strapped to him.
He already got rid of Trench and Parker due to negative reception/being too green to be on tv.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 11, 2023 11:35:35 GMT -5
While I don't think it's a huge issue for AEW, I do have to say that's not really has anti-racism works; saying "let's be colorblind" only really works when the social status quo isn't still "certain groups get advantaged over others due to racial bias, whether implicit or explicit." Note - I don't think AEW is biased against people main eventing on the basis of race, given that they're pretty enthusiastically pushing a lot of diverse wrestlers, but I'm talking in terms of broader societal issues; it's like when some people hear the "I Have a Dream" speech and think King meant we should stop recognizing race now, and thus we shouldn't address racial issues because "hey, it's what King said!", instead of what he actually meant, which was "I want to get to the point where race means nothing that could negatively impact anyone, but we're clearly not there yet." Basically, it's fair to address a historical systemic racial issue as part of a fight against institutional racism, and as part of the journey of trying to reach a colorblind society. Again, though, in this particular case I don't really think it's keeping diverse wrestlers in AEW away from getting up the card. While I agree with you about the end goal being that we eventually get to a point in history where race means nothing, I disagree with the methods. I don't believe 2 wrongs make 1 right, but instead we should focus on eliminating the wrong. Address the systemic racism, both currently and historically, but we should work to eliminate it instead of promoting it the other way. Lets assume if a wrestler is held behind because of his race while another is pushed because of his race, the response shouldn't be to reverse it and push the previously held back wrestler and hold back the previously pushed wrestler. The correct response should be to remove the people that are letting race pay a part, negatively or positively, in the push of an individual. I know that the reversing the racism is much easier than removing the system of racism, it doesn't mean we should do the easier thing just because its easy, even if its not actually solving the problem. On a side note, for a cynic, having someone become the first PoC champion is less of deserved position and more of a publicity stunt, which is definitely not solve anything. Long story short, I think AEW should push Starks, Hobbs, Keith Lee, etc because they deserve it, not because either one of them can become the FIRST PoC AEW Champion. Oh, I do think in pro wrestling that you run a really bad risk of getting a negative reaction against someone if you're pushing them strongly for any reason beyond "the crowd likes them" - I'm thinking more in terms of larger social issues, though it could apply to wrestling insofar as a promotion might want to really pay attention to how they're presenting wrestlers of certain backgrounds given the spotty historical track record the industry has. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 11, 2023 11:40:00 GMT -5
I have a question: Is anyone being held back because of racism in AEW? From whatever I have read, that's a no, but I may be wrong and if I am, I will gladly accept my mistake. But if no one is being held back because their race, why must someone be pushed because of it? And yes, wanting the champion to be a PoC is exactly that. There are a lot of people in AEW that I want to become champion one day but none of the reasons behind me wanting it, is because of their race. The opposite of racism isn't pushing other races, but instead the opposite of racism is to not take race into consideration when making decisions. While I don't think it's a huge issue for AEW, I do have to say that's not really how anti-racism works; saying "let's be colorblind" only really works when the social status quo isn't still "certain groups get advantaged over others due to racial bias, whether implicit or explicit." Note - I don't think AEW is biased against people main eventing on the basis of race, given that they're pretty enthusiastically pushing a lot of diverse wrestlers, but I'm talking in terms of broader societal issues; it's like when some people hear the "I Have a Dream" speech and think King meant we should stop recognizing race now, and thus we shouldn't address racial issues because "hey, it's what King said!", instead of what he actually meant, which was "I want to get to the point where race means nothing that could negatively impact anyone, but we're clearly not there yet." Basically, it's fair to address a historical systemic racial issue as part of a fight against institutional racism, and as part of the journey of trying to reach a colorblind society. Again, though, in this particular case I don't really think it's keeping diverse wrestlers in AEW away from getting up the card. I am reminded of Cody getting buzz for when he talked about how his approach used to be to be "colorblind" until Brandi explained to him that it meant that he wasn't really able to see her experience, and how he learned from that. This was in the early AEW days, so I don't remember a ton about it other than that it got a lot of positive attention even outside of wrestling circles for how her articulated it. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 11, 2023 12:03:36 GMT -5
While I don't think it's a huge issue for AEW, I do have to say that's not really how anti-racism works; saying "let's be colorblind" only really works when the social status quo isn't still "certain groups get advantaged over others due to racial bias, whether implicit or explicit." Note - I don't think AEW is biased against people main eventing on the basis of race, given that they're pretty enthusiastically pushing a lot of diverse wrestlers, but I'm talking in terms of broader societal issues; it's like when some people hear the "I Have a Dream" speech and think King meant we should stop recognizing race now, and thus we shouldn't address racial issues because "hey, it's what King said!", instead of what he actually meant, which was "I want to get to the point where race means nothing that could negatively impact anyone, but we're clearly not there yet." Basically, it's fair to address a historical systemic racial issue as part of a fight against institutional racism, and as part of the journey of trying to reach a colorblind society. Again, though, in this particular case I don't really think it's keeping diverse wrestlers in AEW away from getting up the card. I am reminded of Cody getting buzz for when he talked about how his approach used to be to be "colorblind" until Brandi explained to him that it meant that he wasn't really able to see her experience, and how he learned from that. This was in the early AEW days, so I don't remember a ton about it other than that it got a lot of positive attention even outside of wrestling circles for how her articulated it. It was essentially a mission statement and while Cody still had really weird ways of going about it, the attempt was there. TK used to bring it up as well and when he got asked questions about it but after the whole thing with Swerve when he got called out about it and didn't respond as best he should have, he really hasn't talked it up |
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 11, 2023 12:23:01 GMT -5
I’m a white boy from rural Manitoba, so I don’t really have much of a relevant opinion to add to any of this except that after watching Rampage last night TK really needs to get off his ass and start the Swerve mega push. I’ve been on the Swerve bandwagon for quite sometime, but that promo last night just felt like he had found another level and I was already calling for him to get the rocket strapped to him. Dude’s got an edge to him that I love, and it’s not in an MJF ‘I’m gonna scream and say some edgelord/sexist bullshit!’ type of way. But a cold, calculating heel way where he is not to be f***ed in a Jake/Orton type of way. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 14:05:39 GMT -5
I’m a white boy from rural Manitoba, so I don’t really have much of a relevant opinion to add to any of this except that after watching Rampage last night TK really needs to get off his ass and start the Swerve mega push. I’ve been on the Swerve bandwagon for quite sometime, but that promo last night just felt like he had found another level and I was already calling for him to get the rocket strapped to him. Dude’s got an edge to him that I love, and it’s not in an MJF ‘I’m gonna scream and say some edgelord/sexist bullshit!’ type of way. But a cold, calculating heel way where he is not to be f***ed in a Jake/Orton type of way.
Swerve has figured out something that MJF hasn't, and that's contextualizing evil, mean, heelish behavior in a way that makes sense for professional wrestling.
We all watch wrestling because we want to buy into the work, and it all boils down to "combat sport where the main goals are glory and money." If you're a heel, you take shortcuts to reach those goals and don't care what the audience thinks, because in you're mind - they're just jealous. Pre "I'M THE DEVIL BOOOOOOOOO" MJF was actually really masterful at this.
Anyway... Swerve is on some next level heeling because he's a bastard in a way that leads to the aforementioned money and glory goals, and he's not being needlessly or stupidly mean and heelish for the sake of doing so, because it doesn't benefit him in anyway.
It's some character nuance, and I like those kinds of things.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 11, 2023 14:21:14 GMT -5
Swerve somehow managed to make that scene where he broke Billy Gunn's fingers work. I don't think anyone else could have done.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 11, 2023 14:29:53 GMT -5
We all watch wrestling because we want to buy into the work, and it all boils down to "combat sport where the main goals are glory and money." If you're a heel, you take shortcuts to reach those goals and don't care what the audience thinks, because in you're mind - they're just jealous. Pre "I'M THE DEVIL BOOOOOOOOO" MJF was actually really masterful at this.
Not to get too off-track, but this is actually one of the reasons I'm kind of glad Tony doesn't really like to do the "Spoopy Supernatural Magic Demon Heel" stuff. It always begs the question "OK, but why the hell did you sign a professional wrestling contract?" |
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Post by markymark on Mar 13, 2023 17:27:38 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2023 21:40:47 GMT -5
Easy come, easy go That Hobbs/QTV pairing is a dud Swerve has done really nothing Keith Lee swears he is Pucci  |
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