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Post by markymark on Apr 19, 2023 21:44:54 GMT -5
Tbh its not Swerves fault that a) Parker and Trench were green and later got injured, and b) Keith dealing with health issues and besides their have been Rampage exclusive so far.
Hobbs yeah his title reign was kinda meh and I feel the best way to rehab his character is if he joins Bullet Club and ditches QT for good.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 19, 2023 21:53:47 GMT -5
Easy come, easy go That Hobbs/QTV pairing is a dud Swerve has done really nothing Keith Lee swears he is Pucci  Your complaining is always hilarious. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2023 21:58:51 GMT -5
Easy come, easy go That Hobbs/QTV pairing is a dud Swerve has done really nothing Keith Lee swears he is Pucci Your complaining is always hilarious. Meaning? |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Apr 19, 2023 22:08:35 GMT -5
Easy come, easy go That Hobbs/QTV pairing is a dud Swerve has done really nothing Keith Lee swears he is Pucci Swerves new partnership with The Embassy, who have three POCs in it, has just started Keith Lee is going to continue feuding with Swerve and was just in a main event of Dynamite, where Swerve interfered to have him lose Hobbs won the TNT Title, the TNT is never held long by like anyone anymore and he'll probably kill QTV as his next move I don't think anythings lose like you're implying? |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 19, 2023 22:27:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't have had Hobbs lose the TNT title, but I also don't think Swerve is in a bad place at all
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2023 22:29:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't have had Hobbs lose the TNT title, but I also don't think Swerve is in a bad place at all Nah I am not saying he in a bad place just saying he hasn't done much because he had to a reset which sucks |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2023 22:30:21 GMT -5
Easy come, easy go That Hobbs/QTV pairing is a dud Swerve has done really nothing Keith Lee swears he is Pucci Swerves new partnership with The Embassy, who have three POCs in it, has just started Keith Lee is going to continue feuding with Swerve and was just in a main event of Dynamite, where Swerve interfered to have him lose Hobbs won the TNT Title, the TNT is never held long by like anyone anymore and he'll probably kill QTV as his next move I don't think anythings lose like you're implying? Never said it was a loss No real upward momentum tho but will see in a few months |
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Post by rajaah on Apr 20, 2023 0:25:42 GMT -5
The next first-time AEW original (not counting any who've had notable WWE or NJPW runs) champ will come from one of Darby, Jungle Boy, or Starks. I think Khan has a list in his head of who succeeds MJF and in which order and although Khan isn't a very flexible booker IMO it is possible to move down this list (Sammy) or up it (Wardlow). Of the three guys currently at the top Starks does have the most momentum. Keeping that momentum will be tough as the nature of the AEW title booking and MJF's character is for him to have the title for a while and weaseling out of defenses whenever he can. I hope he can do it there's a real connection with the crowd there that shows he has the potential to be the face of the company. Yeah I'd say Starks should be a Pillar, not Sammy. Starks does everything better and is actually likeable. Sammy's momentum stalled out after the crowds turned on him and he doesn't have the kind of personality that'll win anyone back. Everything about him seems disingenuous. Personally I've got a bone to pick with him because in one of his old vlogs he crushed a giant bug for no reason. Some of the comments were kind of pissed. Might seem silly to some people but I'm entitled to think maybe that reflects on his character, something something how someone treats the least among us, something something. I don't like the guy. |
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Post by clifford on Apr 20, 2023 6:01:38 GMT -5
I feel like this thread only being bumped every time a black wrestler wins or loses a feud or title in AEW to be a bit reactionary and disingenuous, if I'm being honest.
You wanna hammer AEW about its main event diversity problem and see if they are doing anything about it, its gotta be done under a broader timescale, in my opinion. You gotta zoom out and look at the bigger picture.
Rewind back a year and compare to now and you'll see that there are developments;
The Acclaimed are one of the most over acts in the company and former tag champs
Whatever about the quality of her reign Jade has been presented as a big deal/dominant champion for the past year
Ricky Starks has had a breakout year and gets some of the biggest reactions in the company
Hobbs has also broken out and been TNT Champion
Swerve IS being built up, there's no denying this- he's been given now two different stables to be leader of, they are trialing stuff with him and it is evident he's on the trajectory to the top of the card.
I think Keith Lee's chance as a main eventer/world champion may have passed but he's also been presented as a big deal whenever he is featured, and is a former champion too.
Stokely Hathaway has become a major non in-ring personality and is featured on television, constantly over with crowds, and leads a stable, where Lee Moriarty has featured for too and is being built up for the future.
Jay Lethal has found his groove and is constantly featured on television
Scorpio Sky is still in their longterm plans and was a TNT champion.
Willow Nightingale has been a breakout performer in the womans division
Athena has become one of the best female world champions in the business
I'm probably missing others but that's ALL in the last twelve months. A problem like the one this thread was created for does not get fixed overnight; it takes years and years and it might suck that its so slow and be frustrating that there's obvious setbacks, but to just say 'this aint working' after every prominent loss doesn't work for me. You can't just throw these guys and girls into the main event and hope it all works out; the crowd and audience will turn on them so fast. It's got to be organic, and I honestly think AEW are at least trying to do this the organic way.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 20, 2023 6:30:52 GMT -5
I feel like this thread only being bumped every time a black wrestler wins or loses a feud or title in AEW to be a bit reactionary and disingenuous, if I'm being honest. You wanna hammer AEW about its main event diversity problem and see if they are doing anything about it, its gotta be done under a broader timescale, in my opinion. You gotta zoom out and look at the bigger picture. Rewind back a year and compare to now and you'll see that there are developments; The Acclaimed are one of the most over acts in the company and former tag champs Whatever about the quality of her reign Jade has been presented as a big deal/dominant champion for the past year Ricky Starks has had a breakout year and gets some of the biggest reactions in the company Hobbs has also broken out and been TNT Champion Swerve IS being built up, there's no denying this- he's been given now two different stables to be leader of, they are trialing stuff with him and it is evident he's on the trajectory to the top of the card. I think Keith Lee's chance as a main eventer/world champion may have passed but he's also been presented as a big deal whenever he is featured, and is a former champion too. Stokely Hathaway has become a major non in-ring personality and is featured on television, constantly over with crowds, and leads a stable, where Lee Moriarty has featured for too and is being built up for the future. Jay Lethal has found his groove and is constantly featured on television Scorpio Sky is still in their longterm plans and was a TNT champion. Willow Nightingale has been a breakout performer in the womans division Athena has become one of the best female world champions in the business I'm probably missing others but that's ALL in the last twelve months. A problem like the one this thread was created for does not get fixed overnight; it takes years and years and it might suck that its so slow and be frustrating that there's obvious setbacks, but to just say 'this aint working' after every prominent loss doesn't work for me. You can't just throw these guys and girls into the main event and hope it all works out; the crowd and audience will turn on them so fast. It's got to be organic, and I honestly think AEW are at least trying to do this the organic way. Been three years main event still all white guys. It ain't reactionary. AEW is the one not switching things up you can defend them all you want but they had three years to give a minority a shot at the main event scene and nothing. If someone gets momentum for some reason they shoot off their legs WWE style. You can handwave it all you want but the men's main event scene is still white. |
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Post by clifford on Apr 20, 2023 6:42:27 GMT -5
I feel like this thread only being bumped every time a black wrestler wins or loses a feud or title in AEW to be a bit reactionary and disingenuous, if I'm being honest. You wanna hammer AEW about its main event diversity problem and see if they are doing anything about it, its gotta be done under a broader timescale, in my opinion. You gotta zoom out and look at the bigger picture. Rewind back a year and compare to now and you'll see that there are developments; The Acclaimed are one of the most over acts in the company and former tag champs Whatever about the quality of her reign Jade has been presented as a big deal/dominant champion for the past year Ricky Starks has had a breakout year and gets some of the biggest reactions in the company Hobbs has also broken out and been TNT Champion Swerve IS being built up, there's no denying this- he's been given now two different stables to be leader of, they are trialing stuff with him and it is evident he's on the trajectory to the top of the card. I think Keith Lee's chance as a main eventer/world champion may have passed but he's also been presented as a big deal whenever he is featured, and is a former champion too. Stokely Hathaway has become a major non in-ring personality and is featured on television, constantly over with crowds, and leads a stable, where Lee Moriarty has featured for too and is being built up for the future. Jay Lethal has found his groove and is constantly featured on television Scorpio Sky is still in their longterm plans and was a TNT champion. Willow Nightingale has been a breakout performer in the womans division Athena has become one of the best female world champions in the business I'm probably missing others but that's ALL in the last twelve months. A problem like the one this thread was created for does not get fixed overnight; it takes years and years and it might suck that its so slow and be frustrating that there's obvious setbacks, but to just say 'this aint working' after every prominent loss doesn't work for me. You can't just throw these guys and girls into the main event and hope it all works out; the crowd and audience will turn on them so fast. It's got to be organic, and I honestly think AEW are at least trying to do this the organic way. Been three years main event still all white guys. It ain't reactionary. AEW is the one not switching things up you can defend them all you want but they had three years to give a minority a shot at the main event scene and nothing. If someone gets momentum for some reason they shoot off their legs WWE style. You can handwave it all you want but the men's main event scene is still white. Not trying to hand wave anything, but fair points. There's no reason not to give someone a go at the top and see if it works, agreed. I still think they are making an effort. But you're right, it shouldn't be one extreme or the other. Some should be higher than they are and are ready for it. |
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Post by Fake Jesus on Apr 20, 2023 6:43:25 GMT -5
We'd probably be in a different place if Keith wasn't completely washed tbh. Now we have to rely on AEW glacially moving guys up the card
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 20, 2023 7:00:19 GMT -5
Been three years main event still all white guys. It ain't reactionary. AEW is the one not switching things up you can defend them all you want but they had three years to give a minority a shot at the main event scene and nothing. If someone gets momentum for some reason they shoot off their legs WWE style. You can handwave it all you want but the men's main event scene is still white. Not trying to hand wave anything, but fair points. There's no reason not to give someone a go at the top and see if it works, agreed. I still think they are making an effort. But you're right, it shouldn't be one extreme or the other. Some should be higher than they are and are ready for it. They had Hobbs and then cut his legs from under him with the QTV nonsense and now he has to rebuild |
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Apr 20, 2023 8:46:23 GMT -5
Hopefully for Hobbs he is able to join someone who can protect him from poor booking like the TNT title picture. He has too much potential to be cut off at the knees repeatedly.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 21, 2023 16:05:41 GMT -5
Is Keith really still in that crappy health where he can't be featured weekly? Even if he doesn't wrestle.
Man, Long COVID is some shit.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 21, 2023 16:13:22 GMT -5
Is Keith really still in that crappy health where he can't be featured weekly? Even if he doesn't wrestle. Man, Long COVID is some shit. I'm not sure if it's where he medically can't go every week but more of a decision from TK based on his recent performances. He just moves a lot more slowly and labored lately. |
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Post by Fake Jesus on Apr 21, 2023 16:14:07 GMT -5
Is Keith really still in that crappy health where he can't be featured weekly? Even if he doesn't wrestle. Man, Long COVID is some shit. I think his time as a major name is coming to a close really unless he's a permanent tag guy or manages to develop a new style. He should talk to Henry and Wight about that bcs the chance of him ever working like he used to is low |
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Post by bob loves the Hurt Syndicate on Apr 21, 2023 16:39:59 GMT -5
I feel that Hobbs is moving towards the main event
Swerve also has all the tools to be there as well
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Apr 21, 2023 16:51:04 GMT -5
The Hobbs thing is a downer for me since he's one of my favorites. I want to be optimistic and believe they've got bigger plans for him than the short TNT title reign (maybe something to do with the brand split?) but AEW does have a few glaring examples of letting talent stall out after a strong initial push. Guess we'll see.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 26, 2023 5:28:24 GMT -5
I feel that Hobbs is moving towards the main event Swerve also has all the tools to be there as well Hate the implications behind "match up the black wrestlers" but I think Swerve needing a new entourage and Hobbs TNT run could have been united, those 2 look like they could gel together really well. Swerve gets muscle that can go, Hobbs is paired with someone who can give him even more seasoning and isn't stuck with a non sequitur 10 years out of date comedy group. Both have good "psycho" energy and you can build to either Swerve having back up in the main event or backstabbing Hobbs for the TNT title. |
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