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Post by jm on May 28, 2023 23:38:21 GMT -5
If anyone shouldn't "go there", it's you for automatically thinking I'm white because I didn't subscribe to the group think on this issue. Excuse me for having my own opinion. I'm just gonna bow out of this thread. It's obvious that you can't have an opinion on this outside of everything else without being labeled akin to an Uncle Tom. Nobody said that but okay go off bud. You automatically assumed I wasn't black because I had a different take on this than everyone else. You were insinuating I was an Uncle Tom. And don't ever call me bud. I'm far from it when it comes to you. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 28, 2023 23:38:37 GMT -5
Based upon how last time I updated the thread I was lowkey called a hater I would say somewhat so I want to get the thread back to critical thinking but there is always going to be people trying to sidetrack it Which I think is respectable, unfortunately I think there are some who rather than discuss the diversity and what needs to improve, would rather use it as a reason to hate on AEW. THere's a fine line and while I've never seen you do anything of the sort (far from it), the plot for some was lost a while ago. Very similar to the women's thread at one point in the past. Was meant to point out some VERY valid criticisms but got quickly derailed by people with an agenda at the time. Like, there are very valid issues right now in terms of overall diversity when the last two matches had a dozen guys with only a sprinkle of diversity. Meanwhile Hobbs doesn't make the card and guys like Ricky and Swerve were regulated to, an admittedly great, battle royal. |
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Post by lucas_lee on May 28, 2023 23:40:49 GMT -5
Nobody said that but okay go off bud. You automatically assumed I wasn't black because I had a different take on this than everyone else. You were insinuating I was an Uncle Tom. And don't ever call me bud. I'm far from it when it comes to you. I never called you an Uncle Tom. Keep making up a victim narrative. You were the one who came in here with a take that downplayed people that were offended. Never once did I mention your race or implied anything about your race. That may have been other posters but not me. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on May 28, 2023 23:41:36 GMT -5
Nobody said that but okay go off bud. You automatically assumed I wasn't black because I had a different take on this than everyone else. You were insinuating I was an Uncle Tom. And don't ever call me bud. I'm far from it when it comes to you. As someone who I think can call you bud, I'd just back out of this jm. I don't think Lucas meant what he said, but it's probably not gonna get anywhere positive for you regardless. You are free to not feel anything about this, but others feeling something I think does matter, I don't think the concerns I've seen in here are coming from a place of ill intent. |
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Post by lucas_lee on May 28, 2023 23:41:46 GMT -5
Nobody said that but okay go off bud. Arrive Accuse everyone of overreacting Overreact yourself Leave Did I ever imply this dude was an Uncle Tom or whatever nonsense they're spouting because I don't recall doing that. This dude is going off on me for some perceived slight. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on May 28, 2023 23:43:11 GMT -5
Which I think is respectable, unfortunately I think there are some who rather than discuss the diversity and what needs to improve, would rather use it as a reason to hate on AEW. THere's a fine line and while I've never seen you do anything of the sort (far from it), the plot for some was lost a while ago. Very similar to the women's thread at one point in the past. Was meant to point out some VERY valid criticisms but got quickly derailed by people with an agenda at the time. Like, there are very valid issues right now in terms of overall diversity when the last two matches had a dozen guys with only a sprinkle of diversity. Meanwhile Hobbs doesn't make the card and guys like Ricky and Swerve were regulated to, an admittedly great, battle royal. The women's thread was derailed because actual racists/sexists also started posting in it regularly and derailing it This thread for its hot button discussion topic, is nowhere close to that disaster tbh |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 23:43:35 GMT -5
That what people are bitching about? Im guessing noone seen Slipknot, Mushroomhead, Mudvayne, or any other masked band before. Hell Corey Taylor even wore a mask similar to this before. You don’t see how black face and red lips might bother some people? It a black mask with red line going down the middle of their face. The lips are not even fully red. If you want blackface in wrestling, here blackface in wrestling  |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2023 23:44:25 GMT -5
Which I think is respectable, unfortunately I think there are some who rather than discuss the diversity and what needs to improve, would rather use it as a reason to hate on AEW. THere's a fine line and while I've never seen you do anything of the sort (far from it), the plot for some was lost a while ago. Very similar to the women's thread at one point in the past. Was meant to point out some VERY valid criticisms but got quickly derailed by people with an agenda at the time. Like, there are very valid issues right now in terms of overall diversity when the last two matches had a dozen guys with only a sprinkle of diversity. Meanwhile Hobbs doesn't make the card and guys like Ricky and Swerve were regulated to, an admittedly great, battle royal. Ricky, Acclaimed, Hobbs, and Swerve have all made big changes that should have propped them up for something bigger and long term but what they got was small term satisfaction and no long term planning which is damning Kris got a title after being gone a year because TK planned it and didn't change his plans. Where is the plans for Swerve who has Mogul Affiliates or Hobbs who has slowly worked his way up the ladder |
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 28, 2023 23:46:54 GMT -5
Which I think is respectable, unfortunately I think there are some who rather than discuss the diversity and what needs to improve, would rather use it as a reason to hate on AEW. THere's a fine line and while I've never seen you do anything of the sort (far from it), the plot for some was lost a while ago. I think the big problem is the problem that has always been there from the beginning Lack of diversity in AEW is a valid talking point BUT whenever you bring stuff up now you are either hating or acting in bad faith. This thread has been open for a while before they even got Swerve and Lee. Anything I have brought up has been in reference to topic at hand but anytime someone black losses supposedly the thread gets updated which isn't true This isn't a hate AEW thread nor do I want constant lovers of AEW either. I would like critical thinkers to contribute and have a solid discussion of something I believe should be a talking point Understand but that's why I think it's gone the way of the women's threads that got locked. The intent for a critical discussion is good. Unfortunately rather than be critical there are those that will take low hanging fruit. With the women's threads it became about Britt to a toxic degree, and I feel at times with this thread people go to the low hanging fruit of a black star losing. And I think there's a valid conversation because Swerve, Starks, and Hobbs are all poised to be big stars and they all seem to be in a holding pattern. I'd like to say Keith Lee should be there but I kind of wonder if he's just not there any more as a performer |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2023 23:48:37 GMT -5
I think the big problem is the problem that has always been there from the beginning Lack of diversity in AEW is a valid talking point BUT whenever you bring stuff up now you are either hating or acting in bad faith. This thread has been open for a while before they even got Swerve and Lee. Anything I have brought up has been in reference to topic at hand but anytime someone black losses supposedly the thread gets updated which isn't true This isn't a hate AEW thread nor do I want constant lovers of AEW either. I would like critical thinkers to contribute and have a solid discussion of something I believe should be a talking point Understand but that's why I think it's gone the way of the women's threads that got locked. The intent for a critical discussion is good. Unfortunately rather than be critical there are those that will take low hanging fruit. With the women's threads it became about Britt to a toxic degree, and I feel at times with this thread people go to the low hanging fruit of a black star losing. And I think there's a valid conversation because Swerve, Starks, and Hobbs are all poised to be big stars and they all seem to be in a holding pattern. I'd like to say Keith Lee should be there but I kind of wonder if he's just not there any more as a performer I think COVID really messed Lee up |
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on May 28, 2023 23:49:45 GMT -5
I know we like to shit on TK around here but hiring Al Jolson from the grave is a coup that no one saw coming
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 28, 2023 23:51:06 GMT -5
Also again on the blackface topic, I don't think it was brought up in bad faith because a lot of people brought it up based on how the broadcast looked in a lot of different avenues. I think it was much more a hey get better camera shots situation
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Post by Fade on May 28, 2023 23:52:05 GMT -5
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 28, 2023 23:53:28 GMT -5
Very similar to the women's thread at one point in the past. Was meant to point out some VERY valid criticisms but got quickly derailed by people with an agenda at the time. Like, there are very valid issues right now in terms of overall diversity when the last two matches had a dozen guys with only a sprinkle of diversity. Meanwhile Hobbs doesn't make the card and guys like Ricky and Swerve were regulated to, an admittedly great, battle royal. The women's thread was derailed because actual racists/sexists also started posting in it regularly and derailing it This thread for its hot button discussion topic, is nowhere close to that disaster tbh Not trying to assume this thread is as bad as that, by no means. Just saying that there are times when the point of the topic gets derailed in a similar fashion and not in the typical FAN talking about food kind of fun. Like, as much of a fan of Kris as I am, marked out for her winning tonight even, there were seemingly a dozen times during Jade's run where it would have made sense to go with someone else. Tony, much as I like the dude overall, just cannot *ahem* swerve when it comes to changing his plans when something better comes along. He always has to stick to his plans, even if it means waiting 8! months to finish a story and drag out an already tedious title reign. Honestly, Willow would have been perfect after losing a couple times when she challenged Jade a third time. Felt like the Cody/Darby trilogy to an extent. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2023 23:58:37 GMT -5
I know we like to shit on TK around here but hiring Al Jolson from the grave is a coup that no one saw coming TK needs some checks and balances like even putting Sabu on TV after things he said recently was going too far |
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Post by Gawk Rivers on May 28, 2023 23:59:22 GMT -5
I mean, to be blunt
I think this thread would have faded away if it wasn't still very much correct almost 2 years later lmao
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Post by MrElijah on May 29, 2023 0:02:25 GMT -5
I know we like to shit on TK around here but hiring Al Jolson from the grave is a coup that no one saw coming TK needs some checks and balances like even putting Sabu on TV after things he said recently was going too far I've said TK needs a booking team and now he needs a vetting team as well. There are times where's he's too rigid like Vince. Both Sr. and Jr. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on May 29, 2023 0:06:22 GMT -5
TK needs some checks and balances like even putting Sabu on TV after things he said recently was going too far I've said TK needs a booking team and now he needs a vetting team as well. There are times where's he's too rigid like Vince. Both Sr. and Jr. In fairness, that band did Mox’s original theme. It was probably his call to have them play him to the ring. I’m almost certain TK wasnt like “hey, make sure you go full minstrel show out there.” It was a poorly executed Slipknot/Sleep Token/Mudvayne-style aesthetic that looked especially bad on camera. That’s more on the band than anyone else. I thought it was a godawful look too, but I’m having a hard time turning this particular incident into the old “TK needs to delegate more” discussion. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 29, 2023 0:10:36 GMT -5
TK needs some checks and balances like even putting Sabu on TV after things he said recently was going too far I've said TK needs a booking team and now he needs a vetting team as well. There are times where's he's too rigid like Vince. Both Sr. and Jr. I think the issue with things like Sabu, similarly to Jeff Hardy, is that at times Tony tends to fanboy a bit and doesn't seem to realize just how bad of shape some of the guys he wants to give time to or a payday to just aren't anywhere near where they were |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on May 29, 2023 0:12:27 GMT -5
I've said TK needs a booking team and now he needs a vetting team as well. There are times where's he's too rigid like Vince. Both Sr. and Jr. I think the issue with things like Sabu, similarly to Jeff Hardy, is that at times Tony tends to fanboy a bit and doesn't seem to realize just how bad of shape some of the guys he wants to give time to or a payday to just aren't anywhere near where they were With Sabu, the dude also had a recent health scare where people thought he was on the verge of dying, I can see that what gets to Tony more than a problematic tweet issue would. You can blame that on a vetting process, but I also assume a lot of people backstage were focused on the very same news/may not have seen that tweet either. |
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