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Post by Mecca on Sept 20, 2021 15:04:33 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, do you feel this way about Jericho as well, he's in that same boat... Actually I could say he took it further since his wife was at a certain thing in January. I absolutely feel that way about Jericho. He's my favorite wrestler of all time, and at the end of the day, I do think that there's enough good on his legacy with regard to charitable donations, assisting the families of other wrestlers, etc...that it outweighs the bad. But, his recent antics have really sullied his reputation with me and made it increasingly difficult to separate the actual guy from the wrestler he plays on television. I wouldn't mind seeing him ride off into the sunset before the damage he's done to his legacy becomes irreparable. I also think him being part of Dark Side isn't exactly great because well how do you do a story that involves him or one of his friends?
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Post by ChitownKnight on Sept 20, 2021 15:22:28 GMT -5
Man I really hope we don’t hear stories like this about Eddie
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Post by Cyno on Sept 20, 2021 15:27:11 GMT -5
I didn't think I'd look into this thread and see people making excuses for the f***ing Schutzstaffel logo. But here we are.
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Post by eJm on Sept 20, 2021 15:34:50 GMT -5
I mean, we then could just blow it off as a really strange kink of his. This was during the time when Mark wanted to progress the Undertaker character away from its restrictive paranormal trappings and develop a personality and look more aligned with his own that would also allow him to work a more fluid ring style and showcase his range on the mic. His initial pitch for 'American Scat Fetishist' was shot down, and after stiff negotiations everyone compromised on the 'American Bad Ass'. I want to go to the alternate universe where Undertaker returned at Judgment Day 2000 as “American Scat Fetishist”. Like, instead of Kid Rock doing his theme, it’s Scatman John.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Sept 20, 2021 15:36:58 GMT -5
By the way, a friend of mine (who isn't a fan) heard about this and misread the headline as saying Taker was ordering wrestlers to piss and shit on his belongings I mean, we then could just blow it off as a really strange kink of his.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 20, 2021 15:39:39 GMT -5
This was during the time when Mark wanted to progress the Undertaker character away from its restrictive paranormal trappings and develop a personality and look more aligned with his own that would also allow him to work a more fluid ring style and showcase his range on the mic. His initial pitch for 'American Scat Fetishist' was shot down, and after stiff negotiations everyone compromised on the 'American Bad Ass'. I want to go to the alternate universe where Undertaker returned at Judgment Day 2000 as “American Scat Fetishist”. Like, instead of Kid Rock doing his theme, it’s Scatman John. Hey people like that song...bebotdatnadapbope.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 20, 2021 15:40:29 GMT -5
Man I really hope we don’t hear stories like this about Eddie I've never heard any but he was friends with serious offenders so who knows.
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Post by eJm on Sept 20, 2021 15:42:06 GMT -5
I want to go to the alternate universe where Undertaker returned at Judgment Day 2000 as “American Scat Fetishist”. Like, instead of Kid Rock doing his theme, it’s Scatman John. Hey people like that song...bebotdatnadapbope. I’m one of them! Like…just picture it; The entire intro plays as is “He’s here, HE’S HERE” and then…
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 20, 2021 15:50:03 GMT -5
Reading this thread. I'm just not sure what to think anymore. For years and years I watched so many wrestler praise Taker. Saying he was a leader, so easy to work with, just a good guy. Its hard to find a shoot interview of anybody talking bad about the guy. Yet one guy story legit changed it all? I'm not saying its BS but I would like someone else to confirm it before I start judging him. Because a lot of what I am reading about him being a white supremacist does not add up when he been for years close friends with Two Samoans (Yoko and Rikishi),A Puerto Rican, and two blacks (Godfather and Ron Simmions) Just doesn't add up to me just saying. But a shirt that may or may not be the SS shirt of him from the early 90s it appears.
No Rene has done countless of interviews since leaving WWE. Never once in those interviews did he say Taker bullied him. He said Bob Holly and JBL did which not a shocker because they been known for that. So all of sudden he now saying it? Just want more confirmed by others first is all I am saying. But the guy also has a history with drugs and doing immature things in the WE see the Bob Holly rental call situation.
My point is that if nobody else ever been untouchable to shoot interview run down on someone. Than why is it such a hard find to see others trash Taker? Yet we can find plenty on any other big name there was who are known to be prick. No saying its BS or what but before I call Taker a piece of shit person like everyone else quickly seemed to have, this is one of the very few times I seen anybody speak bad on Taker. The others who have it wasn't even that bad. Never claiming he was bullied by him. Most say he didn't seem to like me. Or didn't know why he hated me (See DDP)
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 20, 2021 16:04:23 GMT -5
Regardless of the validity or lack thereof of his claims, a very strange and absurd one tonight: Either I'm stupid or those last two sentences are poorly written, because I don't see why 'Well you find out who does it' means 'Taker told them to shit on my stuff'.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 20, 2021 16:05:30 GMT -5
Regardless of the validity or lack thereof of his claims, a very strange and absurd one tonight: Either I'm stupid or those last two sentences are poorly written, because I don't see why 'Well you find out who does it' means 'Taker told them to shit on my stuff'. Thats the other part that confused me too.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Sept 20, 2021 16:20:03 GMT -5
Regardless of the validity or lack thereof of his claims, a very strange and absurd one tonight: Either I'm stupid or those last two sentences are poorly written, because I don't see why 'Well you find out who does it' means 'Taker told them to shit on my stuff'. It's not written originally, though, it's a transcript; that's simply how he said it.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Sept 20, 2021 16:47:30 GMT -5
Reading this thread. I'm just not sure what to think anymore. For years and years I watched so many wrestler praise Taker. Saying he was a leader, so easy to work with, just a good guy. Its hard to find a shoot interview of anybody talking bad about the guy. Yet one guy story legit changed it all? I'm not saying its BS but I would like someone else to confirm it before I start judging him. Because a lot of what I am reading about him being a white supremacist does not add up when he been for years close friends with Two Samoans (Yoko and Rikishi),A Puerto Rican, and two blacks (Godfather and Ron Simmions) Just doesn't add up to me just saying. But a shirt that may or may not be the SS shirt of him from the early 90s it appears. No Rene has done countless of interviews since leaving WWE. Never once in those interviews did he say Taker bullied him. He said Bob Holly and JBL did which not a shocker because they been known for that. So all of sudden he now saying it? Just want more confirmed by others first is all I am saying. But the guy also has a history with drugs and doing immature things in the WE see the Bob Holly rental call situation. My point is that if nobody else ever been untouchable to shoot interview run down on someone. Than why is it such a hard find to see others trash Taker? Yet we can find plenty on any other big name there was who are known to be prick. No saying its BS or what but before I call Taker a piece of shit person like everyone else quickly seemed to have, this is one of the very few times I seen anybody speak bad on Taker. The others who have it wasn't even that bad. Never claiming he was bullied by him. Most say he didn't seem to like me. Or didn't know why he hated me (See DDP) I think the only wrestler I've ever seen talk negatively about him in an interview is Tracy Smothers who claims Taker along with Shawn Michaels buried him when he got to WWF. I guess it stemmed from when they were in WCW together in 1990 when he was Mean Mark Callous and instigated a play wrestling match in the locker room. Tracy ended up pinning the much bigger Mark and embarrassing him in front of the other wrestlers. He thinks Mark held it against him. Like I said before it seems like the guys like JBL and Holly were kind of like the minions doing the dirty work and acting more outwardly like bullying asses. Taker was more the ring leader overseeing things in the background so a lot of guys probably don't really have negative experiences with him. Also he's someone who has a lot of power and stroke so talking bad about him probably wouldn't be the smartest thing if looking for a job in WWE behind the scenes. Also to be fair I think honestly a lot of guys genuinely liked Mark. It's not even just the old school 90's era guys either. I remember Ken Anderson putting him over a lot in interviews as someone who was very cool and helpful to him during their program together, much more so then the other made men (Cena, HHH, HBK etc.) Even guys who were kind of before his era and were kind of at the end of their run when he got there like Greg Valentine put him over over as being a nice guy. Over the last year he's finally did some out of character interviews and he comes off like as a likeable enough guy. I was listening to an interview recently with Dan Spivey who was his partner and mentor when he was really young and just starting out and he described Mark as a very straight laced guy back then which I was really surprised to hear. Very quiet and didn't even drink at all as he would have Spivey drop him off at the hotel instead of going out with the rest of the boys. When Spivey bumped him into again about a year or so later when he had made it big as Undertaker; he was at a bar, had grown his hair out long, was covered in tattoos, drinking Jack Daniels. I kind of find that fascinating in a way in what would make some do such a complete 180 like that, going from someone who doesn't drink at all to according to PCO being the biggest drinker and last guy at the bar. I guess maybe getting the big push as Undertaker gave him more of a sense of confidence?
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 20, 2021 17:14:10 GMT -5
How the f*** do you consider him a white supremacist??? Do you just go around slandering people that you know nothing about personally??? Exhibit A - Didn’t we have a thread about this before?
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Post by Mecca on Sept 20, 2021 17:22:43 GMT -5
Reading this thread. I'm just not sure what to think anymore. For years and years I watched so many wrestler praise Taker. Saying he was a leader, so easy to work with, just a good guy. Its hard to find a shoot interview of anybody talking bad about the guy. Yet one guy story legit changed it all? I'm not saying its BS but I would like someone else to confirm it before I start judging him. Because a lot of what I am reading about him being a white supremacist does not add up when he been for years close friends with Two Samoans (Yoko and Rikishi),A Puerto Rican, and two blacks (Godfather and Ron Simmions) Just doesn't add up to me just saying. But a shirt that may or may not be the SS shirt of him from the early 90s it appears. No Rene has done countless of interviews since leaving WWE. Never once in those interviews did he say Taker bullied him. He said Bob Holly and JBL did which not a shocker because they been known for that. So all of sudden he now saying it? Just want more confirmed by others first is all I am saying. But the guy also has a history with drugs and doing immature things in the WE see the Bob Holly rental call situation. My point is that if nobody else ever been untouchable to shoot interview run down on someone. Than why is it such a hard find to see others trash Taker? Yet we can find plenty on any other big name there was who are known to be prick. No saying its BS or what but before I call Taker a piece of shit person like everyone else quickly seemed to have, this is one of the very few times I seen anybody speak bad on Taker. The others who have it wasn't even that bad. Never claiming he was bullied by him. Most say he didn't seem to like me. Or didn't know why he hated me (See DDP) Shit talking the Undertaker was basically blackballing yourself from ever working in the WWE. Also we can take it further than the SS shirt... mobile.twitter.com/davidbix/status/1247273841170268162?s=20It could probably be considered political but it does show his beliefs I'd say...
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 20, 2021 17:43:10 GMT -5
You don't just accidentally wear an SS logo when you are a grown adult. I don't care what bike club that logo is for. The club's logo is an SS logo. You see that shirt, you say 'hey isn't that a Nazi logo? Maybe I won't put that on.' Oh is it someone else's shirt? Literally, literally go shirtless rather than wear the nazi shirt. Hell if it's cold so you need a shirt turn that f***er inside out. It isn't even like those folks who call someone a slur in a heated moment. Some people hold prejudiced views that don't come out unless they lose control, and would never voluntarily show anyone. You don't put on a t-shirt with an SS logo on it in the heat of the moment. AND THEN LET SOMEONE TAKE A PHOTO WITH YOU. Reading this thread. I'm just not sure what to think anymore. For years and years I watched so many wrestler praise Taker. Saying he was a leader, so easy to work with, just a good guy. Its hard to find a shoot interview of anybody talking bad about the guy. Yet one guy story legit changed it all? I'm not saying its BS but I would like someone else to confirm it before I start judging him. Because a lot of what I am reading about him being a white supremacist does not add up when he been for years close friends with Two Samoans (Yoko and Rikishi),A Puerto Rican, and two blacks (Godfather and Ron Simmions) Just doesn't add up to me just saying. But a shirt that may or may not be the SS shirt of him from the early 90s it appears. No Rene has done countless of interviews since leaving WWE. Never once in those interviews did he say Taker bullied him. He said Bob Holly and JBL did which not a shocker because they been known for that. So all of sudden he now saying it? Just want more confirmed by others first is all I am saying. But the guy also has a history with drugs and doing immature things in the WE see the Bob Holly rental call situation. My point is that if nobody else ever been untouchable to shoot interview run down on someone. Than why is it such a hard find to see others trash Taker? Yet we can find plenty on any other big name there was who are known to be prick. No saying its BS or what but before I call Taker a piece of shit person like everyone else quickly seemed to have, this is one of the very few times I seen anybody speak bad on Taker. The others who have it wasn't even that bad. Never claiming he was bullied by him. Most say he didn't seem to like me. Or didn't know why he hated me (See DDP) Being close friends with people of colour does not make you not a racist. It's called cognitive dissonance. It doesn't make sense because humans don't, generally. Loads of people with racist views are close friends with minorities and somehow do the mental gymnastics to avoid considering that their views would be damaging to those friends of theirs. Like, this is a long post, but I felt like that should be noted. ...also I don't think referring to folks as "blacks" is cool these days Anyway as for Taker, f*** him and his carny locker room bullshit. Remember a few years ago when people talked about how WWE was so much better an environment to work in than other promotions? People sure don't say that shit any more
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 20, 2021 18:15:42 GMT -5
Reading this thread. I'm just not sure what to think anymore. For years and years I watched so many wrestler praise Taker. Saying he was a leader, so easy to work with, just a good guy. Its hard to find a shoot interview of anybody talking bad about the guy. Yet one guy story legit changed it all? I'm not saying its BS but I would like someone else to confirm it before I start judging him. Because a lot of what I am reading about him being a white supremacist does not add up when he been for years close friends with Two Samoans (Yoko and Rikishi),A Puerto Rican, and two blacks (Godfather and Ron Simmions) Just doesn't add up to me just saying. But a shirt that may or may not be the SS shirt of him from the early 90s it appears. No Rene has done countless of interviews since leaving WWE. Never once in those interviews did he say Taker bullied him. He said Bob Holly and JBL did which not a shocker because they been known for that. So all of sudden he now saying it? Just want more confirmed by others first is all I am saying. But the guy also has a history with drugs and doing immature things in the WE see the Bob Holly rental call situation. My point is that if nobody else ever been untouchable to shoot interview run down on someone. Than why is it such a hard find to see others trash Taker? Yet we can find plenty on any other big name there was who are known to be prick. No saying its BS or what but before I call Taker a piece of shit person like everyone else quickly seemed to have, this is one of the very few times I seen anybody speak bad on Taker. The others who have it wasn't even that bad. Never claiming he was bullied by him. Most say he didn't seem to like me. Or didn't know why he hated me (See DDP) Shit talking the Undertaker was basically blackballing yourself from ever working in the WWE. Also we can take it further than the SS shirt... It could probably be considered political but it does show his beliefs I'd say... You say shit talking Taker would do that but nobody had any issues Trashing HHH, Vince, and ext yet STILL go back to the WWE. Example Bret Hart. People trashed Hogan for years as well. Like I said everyone else pretty much had it too. So Taker is not what you call an exempt. Hell look at Cornette and HTM over the years. Yet they still got called in and was allowed to do HOF stuff. I would say it is political views but look at company, shouldn't say much else. You don't just accidentally wear an SS logo when you are a grown adult. I don't care what bike club that logo is for. The club's logo is an SS logo. You see that shirt, you say 'hey isn't that a Nazi logo? Maybe I won't put that on.' Oh is it someone else's shirt? Literally, literally go shirtless rather than wear the nazi shirt. Hell if it's cold so you need a shirt turn that f***er inside out. It isn't even like those folks who call someone a slur in a heated moment. Some people hold prejudiced views that don't come out unless they lose control, and would never voluntarily show anyone. You don't put on a t-shirt with an SS logo on it in the heat of the moment. AND THEN LET SOMEONE TAKE A PHOTO WITH YOU. Reading this thread. I'm just not sure what to think anymore. For years and years I watched so many wrestler praise Taker. Saying he was a leader, so easy to work with, just a good guy. Its hard to find a shoot interview of anybody talking bad about the guy. Yet one guy story legit changed it all? I'm not saying its BS but I would like someone else to confirm it before I start judging him. Because a lot of what I am reading about him being a white supremacist does not add up when he been for years close friends with Two Samoans (Yoko and Rikishi),A Puerto Rican, and two blacks (Godfather and Ron Simmions) Just doesn't add up to me just saying. But a shirt that may or may not be the SS shirt of him from the early 90s it appears. No Rene has done countless of interviews since leaving WWE. Never once in those interviews did he say Taker bullied him. He said Bob Holly and JBL did which not a shocker because they been known for that. So all of sudden he now saying it? Just want more confirmed by others first is all I am saying. But the guy also has a history with drugs and doing immature things in the WE see the Bob Holly rental call situation. My point is that if nobody else ever been untouchable to shoot interview run down on someone. Than why is it such a hard find to see others trash Taker? Yet we can find plenty on any other big name there was who are known to be prick. No saying its BS or what but before I call Taker a piece of shit person like everyone else quickly seemed to have, this is one of the very few times I seen anybody speak bad on Taker. The others who have it wasn't even that bad. Never claiming he was bullied by him. Most say he didn't seem to like me. Or didn't know why he hated me (See DDP) Being close friends with people of colour does not make you not a racist. It's called cognitive dissonance. It doesn't make sense because humans don't, generally. Loads of people with racist views are close friends with minorities and somehow do the mental gymnastics to avoid considering that their views would be damaging to those friends of theirs. Like, this is a long post, but I felt like that should be noted. ...also I don't think referring to folks as "blacks" is cool these days Anyway as for Taker, f*** him and his carny locker room bullshit. Remember a few years ago when people talked about how WWE was so much better an environment to work in than other promotions? People sure don't say that shit any more Yeah and is Taker there now? But went people praised the WWE, he was. Carny Locker room BS, happens everywhere in wrestling. Its not just a WWE thing. So you may as well say F wrestling all together because Shit happened everywhere to be honest.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 20, 2021 18:23:03 GMT -5
Shit talking the Undertaker was basically blackballing yourself from ever working in the WWE. Also we can take it further than the SS shirt... It could probably be considered political but it does show his beliefs I'd say... You say shit talking Taker would do that but nobody had any issues Trashing HHH, Vince, and ext yet STILL go back to the WWE. Example Bret Hart. People trashed Hogan for years as well. Like I said everyone else pretty much had it too. So Taker is not what you call an exempt. Hell look at Cornette and HTM over the years. Yet they still got called in and was allowed to do HOF stuff. I would say it is political views but look at company, shouldn't say much else. You don't just accidentally wear an SS logo when you are a grown adult. I don't care what bike club that logo is for. The club's logo is an SS logo. You see that shirt, you say 'hey isn't that a Nazi logo? Maybe I won't put that on.' Oh is it someone else's shirt? Literally, literally go shirtless rather than wear the nazi shirt. Hell if it's cold so you need a shirt turn that f***er inside out. It isn't even like those folks who call someone a slur in a heated moment. Some people hold prejudiced views that don't come out unless they lose control, and would never voluntarily show anyone. You don't put on a t-shirt with an SS logo on it in the heat of the moment. AND THEN LET SOMEONE TAKE A PHOTO WITH YOU. Being close friends with people of colour does not make you not a racist. It's called cognitive dissonance. It doesn't make sense because humans don't, generally. Loads of people with racist views are close friends with minorities and somehow do the mental gymnastics to avoid considering that their views would be damaging to those friends of theirs. Like, this is a long post, but I felt like that should be noted. ...also I don't think referring to folks as "blacks" is cool these days Anyway as for Taker, f*** him and his carny locker room bullshit. Remember a few years ago when people talked about how WWE was so much better an environment to work in than other promotions? People sure don't say that shit any more Yeah and is Taker there now? But went people praised the WWE, he was. Carny Locker room BS, happens everywhere in wrestling. Its not just a WWE thing. So you may as well say F wrestling all together because Shit happened everywhere to be honest. Yes carny shit has happened all over wrestling, you are correct It's still an SS shirt And having friends who are racial minorities still doesn't get you out of racist jail
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 20, 2021 18:47:53 GMT -5
You say shit talking Taker would do that but nobody had any issues Trashing HHH, Vince, and ext yet STILL go back to the WWE. Example Bret Hart. People trashed Hogan for years as well. Like I said everyone else pretty much had it too. So Taker is not what you call an exempt. Hell look at Cornette and HTM over the years. Yet they still got called in and was allowed to do HOF stuff. I would say it is political views but look at company, shouldn't say much else. Yeah and is Taker there now? But went people praised the WWE, he was. Carny Locker room BS, happens everywhere in wrestling. Its not just a WWE thing. So you may as well say F wrestling all together because Shit happened everywhere to be honest. Yes carny shit has happened all over wrestling, you are correct It's still an SS shirt And having friends who are racial minorities still doesn't get you out of racist jail We had a thread about it a year ago over the same picture. Its was proven to be a biker shirt. Yes the logo in question, I can post the link to the old threat that was locked it was said the SS where different from the real logo this was said by a mod. I already feel like this thread is on thin ice as it is. So I won't post in here. It's easy to point figures but do any of us here ever taken to the Undertaker or Mark personally to really know what he is like? It was said in the old thread that the SS where the same to what you find in the Kiss logo. Now that a whole subject and debate in itself. Like I said, I won't go into to deep as this is really a thin ice to the board rules as it is. I will post what the shirt does say. Dago Choppers "Blending Fine Art and Harley-Davidson". So call it as you will.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 20, 2021 19:06:59 GMT -5
A motorcycle shop had a nazi-adjacent symbol as its logo, which doesn't make it not a nazi-adjacent symbol. That's the point being made here. A motorcycle shop put the nazi-adjacent symbol on their shirt to sell their shirt to people who wanted to nazi-adjacent symbols on their shirt, and now if you google search "Dago choppers" all you find is people in the nazi-adjacent symbol shirt or trying to sell the shirt, or Etsy shops selling recreations of the shirt. Why are people wanting recreations of the shirt for a biker shop that burned down over twenty years ago and whose only lingering legacy seems to be its t-shirt with a nazi-adjacent symbol on it? It feels like all the vocal skepticism to this being an issue approaches it on the most surface level "Oh there's a store" level and then completely stops following the thread right there while paying zero mind to any of the logical questions involved in it, let alone acknowledgement of the interplay of white supremacy in biker gangs or this shop's at least merch-focused praise to the Hells Angels, which is not a racially diverse biker gang. These things aren't even subtext. They're literally the text of the shirt.
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