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Post by thechase on May 16, 2022 12:27:14 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on May 16, 2022 13:03:16 GMT -5
Now confirmed.
Basically, Netflix is Doctor Who now. One of Sex Education’s leads and one of Heartstopper’s leads are in the Tardis.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 16, 2022 13:39:29 GMT -5
Rusty, just don't get rid of my boy Dan, and we're good.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 16, 2022 14:35:59 GMT -5
As well as getting a name from one of the biggest shows out there at the moment, RTD getting a trans companion off the bat is a wonderful statement of intent for the era. And very intrigued by the name 'Rose' being reused.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 16, 2022 15:06:35 GMT -5
Annoying DW fans: "With RTD back are we going to get rid of all this woke BS that's definitely only been happening with Moffat and Chibnall and definitely not since the 60s?"
RTD: *introduces 2 Black main actors, including a gay man and a trans woman*
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Post by thechase on May 16, 2022 15:28:16 GMT -5
Wilf and RTD have been trending all day.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on May 16, 2022 15:51:10 GMT -5
Annoying DW fans: "With RTD back are we going to get rid of all this woke BS that's definitely only been happening with Moffat and Chibnall and definitely not since the 60s?" RTD: *introduces 2 Black main actors, including a gay man and a trans woman* They really weren't watching during RTD's run, were they?
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Post by eJm on May 16, 2022 15:55:15 GMT -5
Annoying DW fans: "With RTD back are we going to get rid of all this woke BS that's definitely only been happening with Moffat and Chibnall and definitely not since the 60s?" RTD: *introduces 2 Black main actors, including a gay man and a trans woman* They really weren't watching during RTD's run, were they? I mean, people got annoyed about Star Trek "suddenly" being woke so there are fans that just don't know the history of their franchises.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 16, 2022 17:44:49 GMT -5
With Trek and Who, it's not so much that either show is more woke now as much as is the writing is consistently dubious that there's not much else to talk about.
Honestly, both franchises have often been so superficial in whatever deep points they've tried to make recently that they feel less like preachy lectures and more like faux deep quotes you see on Instagram.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 16, 2022 18:05:49 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that both Who and Trek have been around long enough for what is considered "woke" to be normalised and replaced with something new several times over. Today I had someone genuinely ask me what was so woke about Kirk kissing Uhura and having Russian and Japanese characters as officers. By 2022 standards, nothing, but in the 1960s at the height of the Cold War and Civil Rights movement, and plenty of lingering resentment from the war in the Pacific? That's pretty damn woke.
I hope in another 60 years what we currently consider woke will be so completely normalised in society that people will look back on todays shows and wonder why people made such a fuss.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 16, 2022 18:10:12 GMT -5
I hope in another 60 years what we currently consider woke will be so completely normalised in society that people will look back on todays shows and wonder why people made such a fuss. All I will say is that if you want this to be true, then you need to fight for it, because there are way too many people in the world fighting against it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 16, 2022 18:16:56 GMT -5
I hope in another 60 years what we currently consider woke will be so completely normalised in society that people will look back on todays shows and wonder why people made such a fuss. All I will say is that if you want this to be true, then you need to fight for it, because there are way too many people in the world fighting against it. Of course. That's the way it's always been, that's the way it always will be.
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Post by thechase on May 16, 2022 23:09:42 GMT -5
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Post by Ryushinku on May 17, 2022 2:47:02 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that both Who and Trek have been around long enough for what is considered "woke" to be normalised and replaced with something new several times over. Today I had someone genuinely ask me what was so woke about Kirk kissing Uhura and having Russian and Japanese characters as officers. By 2022 standards, nothing, but in the 1960s at the height of the Cold War and Civil Rights movement, and plenty of lingering resentment from the war in the Pacific? That's pretty damn woke. I hope in another 60 years what we currently consider woke will be so completely normalised in society that people will look back on todays shows and wonder why people made such a fuss. It is hard sometimes to not feel like there's been a regression in recent years. Or perhaps more like the voices opposed are more magnified and louder through social media, perhaps? Back in 1989, the show casually drops in a black woman as the new Brigadier of UNIT and there's barely a flutter. You can imagine the screams from certain sections if that had been done for the first time in Jodie's era. You're quite correct about looking back. Sign of progress. Like thinking your younger self was a dumbass about things, shows you've learned more!
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Post by eJm on May 17, 2022 2:56:35 GMT -5
Back in 1989, the show casually drops in a black woman as the new Brigadier of UNIT and there's barely a flutter. You can imagine the screams from certain sections if that had been done for the first time in Jodie's era. See, the problem with saying something like that is that we don't have the historical context of the time and what was said by the media and it sort of leaves people to believe that just happened and people were fine with it until we find out that wasn't the case. Like, we brought up the Kirk/Uhura kiss earlier. That had parents groups complaining, religious groups calling it "Satanic", the works. But we think less about that because, well, time passed and it became normal to do it so it's less of a big deal (except to the weirdos who'd say otherwise). I do maybe think there's some backtracking, especially considering when I was younger, there were so many black sitcoms and prolific characters being black but then came some weird point where that was a "woke" thing to do. Like, we went from Fresh Price, Moesha, Sister Sister etc to...well, nothing for a long time.
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Post by thechase on May 17, 2022 3:05:14 GMT -5
Don't forget Xena. Largely forgotten about now by modern audiences, but I remember that commented on a whole range of hot button topics besides same sex relations, it touched on religion too. One episode, "The Way" was banned in some countries.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 17, 2022 3:22:36 GMT -5
It is hard sometimes to not feel like there's been a regression in recent years. Or perhaps more like the voices opposed are more magnified and louder through social media, perhaps? Not even a "perhaps". Social media has given everybody a platform, and many people will use their platform almost exclusively to voice their disdain for anything progressive. The good thing is they are an exceptionally loud minority – not one that should be underestimated, of course, but still a minority. Progression will always be a fight (and sometimes in the very literal meaning of the word), because there will always be folks who want to maintain the status quo or go back to "the good old days", but in the end they rarely do more than slow down the inevitable.
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Post by Ryushinku on May 17, 2022 6:10:27 GMT -5
Back in 1989, the show casually drops in a black woman as the new Brigadier of UNIT and there's barely a flutter. You can imagine the screams from certain sections if that had been done for the first time in Jodie's era. See, the problem with saying something like that is that we don't have the historical context of the time and what was said by the media and it sort of leaves people to believe that just happened and people were fine with it until we find out that wasn't the case. Like, we brought up the Kirk/Uhura kiss earlier. That had parents groups complaining, religious groups calling it "Satanic", the works. But we think less about that because, well, time passed and it became normal to do it so it's less of a big deal (except to the weirdos who'd say otherwise). I do maybe think there's some backtracking, especially considering when I was younger, there were so many black sitcoms and prolific characters being black but then came some weird point where that was a "woke" thing to do. Like, we went from Fresh Price, Moesha, Sister Sister etc to...well, nothing for a long time. Fair enough. I can only say that I was there at the time in '89, watching the show here in the UK. Only a 12-year-old but more aware of the wider world and reactions around me than as a kid. I'll definitely hold my hand up to being a big enough geek about the show to have gone back over the years to look at media clippings and documentaries around the time of the Classic show as well. I've got no doubt there were a few Outraged Of Tumbridge Wells reactions. I sure wasn't reading the Daily Mail back then, or ever! General vibe was pretty chill, though, or even without comment. At school, always a pretty no-filter kind of place, those in my classes that watched were interested in when the new Brigadier might turn up on the show again. We know how that turned out... Mostly, the show had slipped down public consciousness but also like you say it was one of those periods where representation across the board was getting a lot better. Followed with sad inevitability where it was not. I think maybe that's the thing. It'd be bloody nice if there was a straight progression to things, but progression and backlash seem to go in waves. The 'woke' stuff for Jodie's era, which has been excellent for representation but fairly wonky as all hell for actual progressive politics, is in a backlash wave where loud voices drown things out. Always wondered if the Uhura-Kirk kiss backlash was perhaps looked back as bigger than it was. Trek, I have much less knowledge on in comparison.
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Post by thechase on May 17, 2022 11:35:17 GMT -5
Back to location shooting, bust day for the production team. Filming is due to go on all the way until three in the morning. We have a bit more context to Yasmin's character among other things {Spoiler}{Spoiler}A few scenes shot today see Tennant apparently saying goodbye to the entire Noble family, and Yasmin is among them, she's Donna's daughter. Tate departs with Tennant at the end too
Also, from the way people are dressed, a few posters with dates of 'December' and artificial snow and other things, it's looking like what they're filming might not be the 60th anniversary special, but a Christmas special for the end of this year. If that happens, we can likely expect another couple of specials with Tennant n 2023 before he hands over to Ncuti Gatwa in the official 60th anniversary.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 17, 2022 16:14:22 GMT -5
See, the problem with saying something like that is that we don't have the historical context of the time and what was said by the media and it sort of leaves people to believe that just happened and people were fine with it until we find out that wasn't the case. Like, we brought up the Kirk/Uhura kiss earlier. That had parents groups complaining, religious groups calling it "Satanic", the works. But we think less about that because, well, time passed and it became normal to do it so it's less of a big deal (except to the weirdos who'd say otherwise). Always wondered if the Uhura-Kirk kiss backlash was perhaps looked back as bigger than it was. Trek, I have much less knowledge on in comparison. With Trek (TOS specifically) it's a tricky thing because certain myths have cropped up over time about the show that have become readily accepted, when deeper dives have revealed a more complicated reality with them. That the show was genuinely progressive and forward-thinking is absolutely true; it's just that the various events/factors/reasons around that have been prone to exaggeration or outright fiction (often by Roddenberry way after the fact). This blog goes into much more detail about the most famous claims, but some of the biggest ones (Uhura/Kirk as the first interracial kiss on TV, Gene having to fight NBC for more diversity in the crew, the network not wanting a female first officer) were likely untrue. None of that changes the positive impact the show had, just that the path to that was not quite what people claimed it was.
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