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Post by 06vwgti on Feb 17, 2023 15:17:11 GMT -5
We should all be suing MLW right now for making us watch Enzo matches on their shows. But Enzo or NWA Tyrus?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 28, 2023 14:28:10 GMT -5
In a new twist this week, Reelz and Peacock reached a deal which would bring their live linear feed and library to the platform. However, the linear feed will not work Tuesdays at 10 PM which is the same time MLW airs.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 28, 2023 16:54:12 GMT -5
In a new twist this week, Reelz and Peacock reached a deal which would bring their live linear feed and library to the platform. However, the linear feed will not work Tuesdays at 10 PM which is the same time MLW airs. Not a surprise that there would be an exclusivity clause in Peacock’s streaming deal with WWE.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2023 11:04:46 GMT -5
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Post by Legion on Mar 7, 2023 11:47:31 GMT -5
If there are exclusivity deals with these streamers, I still fail to see how that is WWE's fault?
Surely the streamers should be the ones being sued for breaking whatever contract they had in the first place to go court WWE?
Even if WWE was demanding exclusivity to bring their shows to your network, as the network, you know if you can or cant agree that without breaking another deal so still don't see how WWE is to blame?
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Post by mistery on Mar 7, 2023 12:16:45 GMT -5
Yeah this just reeks of Court desperate for a payout. Problem is that WWE has nothing to do with the Reelz stuff and its going to get pointed out. Depending on the judge, Court will either have to file yet another amended complaint or the case will be outright dismissed with prejudice. Because its looking more and more like Court doesn't actually have a case against WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 12:50:30 GMT -5
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Post by mistery on Mar 7, 2023 13:40:14 GMT -5
Yeah. No chance a judge doesn't toss it out. The basis of this case is basically "its not fair that WWE has an exclusivity deal with NBCU". Exclusvity is very much commonplace in all entertainment fields.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 20:53:59 GMT -5
The little bit that states
"To illustrate how hard it is to compete with WWE, MLW claims AEW “has yet to be profitable since launching in 2019.”
is pretty interesting...How the heck would Court know?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 7, 2023 21:14:32 GMT -5
The little bit that states "To illustrate how hard it is to compete with WWE, MLW claims AEW “has yet to be profitable since launching in 2019.” is pretty interesting...How the heck would Court know? Tony Khan's been open about it, but it was also never designed to be profitable at this stage of its growth and is in fact exceeding initial expectations of it, and it probably would be profitable by now if not for the game being a money pit.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 7, 2023 23:18:44 GMT -5
It sounded like they just took all the newz bytes reported about AEW to use as their case against WWE lol
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 8, 2023 2:03:34 GMT -5
I feel like we’ve been saying “no chance this doesn’t get tossed out” for the past bajillion month since the suit was placed, though?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 8, 2023 2:15:31 GMT -5
The little bit that states "To illustrate how hard it is to compete with WWE, MLW claims AEW “has yet to be profitable since launching in 2019.” is pretty interesting...How the heck would Court know? Tony Khan's been open about it, but it was also never designed to be profitable at this stage of its growth and is in fact exceeding initial expectations of it, and it probably would be profitable by now if not for the game being a money pit. And for most companies, unless you hit something massive, it takes a few years to get profitable.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 8, 2023 3:55:25 GMT -5
Tony Khan's been open about it, but it was also never designed to be profitable at this stage of its growth and is in fact exceeding initial expectations of it, and it probably would be profitable by now if not for the game being a money pit. And for most companies, unless you hit something massive, it takes a few years to get profitable. Yeah, you go into these things expecting to lose money with the intention to make money from it in the long term. Even Vince's attempts at going into PPV were hindered by his involvement in the infamous Ali/Inoki "fight" before WrestleMania basically made it a go-to.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 8, 2023 9:30:59 GMT -5
I feel like we’ve been saying “no chance this doesn’t get tossed out” for the past bajillion month since the suit was placed, though? The suit is still at the very beginning stages (litigation takes time). Literally all that’s happened is MLW filed a complaint, WWE filed a motion to dismiss, the judge granted the motion to dismiss the case but gave MLW leave to amend their complaint, MLW amended the complaint. Now WWE can either just answer the complaint and move on to the discovery phase of the case (interrogatories, document requests, depositions) or they can file another motion to dismiss.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 8, 2023 9:35:09 GMT -5
And for most companies, unless you hit something massive, it takes a few years to get profitable. Yeah, you go into these things expecting to lose money with the intention to make money from it in the long term. Even Vince's attempts at going into PPV were hindered by his involvement in the infamous Ali/Inoki "fight" before WrestleMania basically made it a go-to. Freaking Amazon took a decade to become profitable. Companies don't get profitable quickly, unless they're someone like Apple and Google who hit massively quickly.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 31, 2023 7:58:25 GMT -5
Surprised this hasn't been put up yet.
The basic summary is that WWE's counter case is a Cultahoic article (yes, really) about the rumored new AEW TV deal which the number was about $240m a year which a) nobody confirmed anywhere and b) Tony Khan has denied talking about in media scrums and interviews mostly because negotiations probably haven't properly started yet.
So this is basically on WWE to prove that this is information they know and not just throwing it out there and hoping it's believed by the judge because if I were WBD, I'd be a bit miffed that speculation was being used in an-anti monopoly lawsuit.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 31, 2023 9:17:12 GMT -5
Surprised this hasn't been put up yet. The basic summary is that WWE's counter case is a Cultahoic article (yes, really) about the rumored new AEW TV deal which the number was about $240m a year which a) nobody confirmed anywhere and b) Tony Khan has denied talking about in media scrums and interviews mostly because negotiations probably haven't properly started yet. So this is basically on WWE to prove that this is information they know and not just throwing it out there and hoping it's believed by the judge because if I were WBD, I'd be a bit miffed that speculation was being used in an-anti monopoly lawsuit. They’ve caveated the actual argument portion of the brief to say that the deal is “alleged” and “reported,” not that they have any special knowledge of the deal. This is also the very beginning stages of the case (motion to dismiss), and there has been no formal discovery yet so using what’s publicly available makes sense (though I’m sure the judge will disregard the article as being proof). Their argument also doesn’t hinge on the $240 million per year being true, as they made the same arguments in their moving brief (this is a reply brief) prior to that report and still argued that there is no monopoly and AEW and others have cut into the total pro wrestling revenue, showing that there are not monopolistic barriers to entry preventing others from being competitive and profiting in the marketplace.
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Post by mistery on May 31, 2023 12:56:03 GMT -5
To add onto this, Court Bauer is claiming the judge is willing to let MLW add on more evidence when in reality it was that the evidence MLW likely provided was piss poor. MLW's amended suit needs to have incredibly strong evidence otherwise the judge is likely tossing the suit.
And for better or worse, WWE has a point with AEW breaking through here. The only thing holding MLW back is that Court has the business sense of a toddler and is one of the biggest carnies (owner wise) in the business not named Vince McMahon.
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Post by dpg on Jun 1, 2023 9:40:32 GMT -5
To add onto this, Court Bauer is claiming the judge is willing to let MLW add on more evidence when in reality it was that the evidence MLW likely provided was piss poor. MLW's amended suit needs to have incredibly strong evidence otherwise the judge is likely tossing the suit. And for better or worse, WWE has a point with AEW breaking through here. The only thing holding MLW back is that Court has the business sense of a toddler and is one of the biggest carnies (owner wise) in the business not named Vince McMahon. MLW haven't really grown at all in years. They have big announcements, which then slowly trail out to nothing, then the company hibernates for months.
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