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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 22, 2021 12:43:41 GMT -5
How in the f*** did a live round get into the gun? There are strict rules that live ammo isnāt supposed to be anywhere near a set where prop guns and blanks are being used to prevent this exact f***ing thing from happening. Absolutely no excuse for this happening.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 22, 2021 13:00:32 GMT -5
How in the f*** did a live round get into the gun? There are strict rules that live ammo isnāt supposed to be anywhere near a set where prop guns and blanks are being used to prevent this exact f***ing thing from happening. Absolutely no excuse for this happening. Sort of like what happened to Brandon Lee; to save costs a production company purchase regular bullets, has them fired off at a range, and the blank casings are then put back into the gun or the ammunition clip. In this case a live round got missed.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Oct 22, 2021 13:06:59 GMT -5
Here is a MAJOR piece of the puzzle to this story: You all might have heard that there have been a wave of strikes in Hollywood recently (as well as other industries throughout the US) due to labor conditions. Well, apparently, the original camera crew for Rust had just walked off the set before this tragedy happened because of numerous issues of negligence on the part of the studio. Unpaid work time, an abusive lack of basic accommodations, poor Covid safety and...poor gun safety. And they had warned out loud about all this going on, but been replaced with inexperienced scab workers from a film school during their walkout. Basically, they had warned that something like this could happen, and been ignored. nerdbot.com/2021/10/22/source-on-rust-claims-willful-negligence-known-safety-concerns/
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Post by unc40 on Oct 22, 2021 16:16:31 GMT -5
All these accidents on movie sets have one thing in common and that's the production company wanting to save money.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Oct 22, 2021 16:38:49 GMT -5
Saw people on FB saying Baldwin should be arrested.
That's not how this works I think. The police have to determine if a crime has actually taken place first.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 22, 2021 16:44:47 GMT -5
Saw people on FB saying Baldwin should be arrested. That's not how this works I think. The police have to determine if a crime has actually taken place first. The only possibility I can see there is if there is a negligence charge brought about after an investigation and as Baldwin is a Producer on the film, heād be involved in that capacity. But thatās all just a mere possibility, itāll be some time before all the facts come out.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Oct 22, 2021 17:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by Fade on Oct 22, 2021 17:35:53 GMT -5
Here is a MAJOR piece of the puzzle to this story: You all might have heard that there have been a wave of strikes in Hollywood recently (as well as other industries throughout the US) due to labor conditions. Well, apparently, the original camera crew for Rust had just walked off the set before this tragedy happened because of numerous issues of negligence on the part of the studio. Unpaid work time, an abusive lack of basic accommodations, poor Covid safety and...poor gun safety. And they had warned out loud about all this going on, but been replaced with inexperienced scab workers from a film school during their walkout. Basically, they had warned that something like this could happen, and been ignored. nerdbot.com/2021/10/22/source-on-rust-claims-willful-negligence-known-safety-concerns/The woman who died was apparently advocating for better working working conditions for the crew. FFS man. I have a suspicion this is going to come down to negligence on one or multiple parties and I really hope authorities figure it out.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 22, 2021 17:56:05 GMT -5
"Cheaping out" just brings to mind other accidents like Owen's. TZ:TM too...though that was more Landis just not caring.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 22, 2021 18:02:51 GMT -5
It should be noted that "live rounds" in Hollywood-speak isn't what it means normally. A live round in movie-speak basically means "something in a gun that can make a boom," including blanks. I know when I heard "live round" I thought they were talking about an actual bullet, but that might not be the case here. Of course, as we saw with Brandon Lee's death, even blanks can be dangerous, even lethal, in the wrong situations.
So this is a really messy situation all around. I don't know if anyone will be held criminally liable or not, but there's going to be a lot of defendants in a wrongful death suit at the very least.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Oct 22, 2021 18:44:22 GMT -5
Twitter indeed is a terrible nasty place. Probably the nastiest of the social media. Although having said that, I haven't caught anything negative about this there, although maybe I haven't develed in far enough. Put it this way, a lot of people who didn't appreciate a certain SNL character Baldwin played are extremely happy this has happened. I don't like him, but I still feel bad for him. And I haven't watched SNL in the past 20 years.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 22, 2021 18:50:37 GMT -5
Someone please remind me what rule 1 of guns is, again
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Post by fortknox on Oct 22, 2021 18:52:57 GMT -5
Someone please remind me what rule 1 of guns is, again Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
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Post by mattperiolat on Oct 22, 2021 21:35:51 GMT -5
Just saw that at least leading up to the event, an AD handed Baldwin the prop gun and specifically told Baldwin the gun was NOT loaded.
That, for me, exonerates Baldwin in full. We just need to nail down chain of custody for the gun for culpability. Sadly, this does not change anything - a person is still dead and I doubt Baldwin is sleeping any better this night then last.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2021 21:39:25 GMT -5
Just saw that at least leading up to the event, an AD handed Baldwin the prop gun and specifically told Baldwin the gun was NOT loaded. That, for me, exonerates Baldwin in full. We just need to nail down chain of custody for the gun for culpability. Sadly, this does not change anything - a person is still dead and I doubt Baldwin is sleeping any better this night then last. Honestly, it depends entirely on what scope his role as producer played. If he had a part in total incompetents being hired as scabs, some of this may still fall at his feet.
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Post by mattperiolat on Oct 22, 2021 22:48:07 GMT -5
Just saw that at least leading up to the event, an AD handed Baldwin the prop gun and specifically told Baldwin the gun was NOT loaded. That, for me, exonerates Baldwin in full. We just need to nail down chain of custody for the gun for culpability. Sadly, this does not change anything - a person is still dead and I doubt Baldwin is sleeping any better this night then last. Honestly, it depends entirely on what scope his role as producer played. If he had a part in total incompetents being hired as scabs, some of this may still fall at his feet. I may have reached too far then. I just really didnāt want it worse on Baldwin from a guilt perspective I suppose. Iām now seeing another troubling report of walk offs the set by crew due to safety concerns prior to the gun going off. Thatāsā¦ well, that screams something bad was coming.
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Post by noobeast on Oct 22, 2021 22:52:54 GMT -5
Put it this way, a lot of people who didn't appreciate a certain SNL character Baldwin played are extremely happy this has happened. This is not directed towards you personally, but this is not about that, this is a tragic accident where someone is DEAD. People need to stop thinking with their egos and open up their hearts. Biggest muscle in the body and tragically few use it. ...sorry to be that guy, but the heart isn't even close to being the biggest muscle in your body, that would be the gluteous maximus aka the ass. Your heart isn't even the biggest muscle in your chest. I agree with the sentiment just...letting you know.
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Post by mattperiolat on Oct 22, 2021 23:17:24 GMT -5
This is not directed towards you personally, but this is not about that, this is a tragic accident where someone is DEAD. People need to stop thinking with their egos and open up their hearts. Biggest muscle in the body and tragically few use it. ...sorry to be that guy, but the heart isn't even close to being the biggest muscle in your body, that would be the gluteous maximus aka the ass. Your heart isn't even the biggest muscle in your chest. I agree with the sentiment just...letting you know. Iāll stick to the sentiment then even if I was wide right of target.
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Post by thechase on Oct 23, 2021 1:56:12 GMT -5
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Post by Sam Punk on Oct 23, 2021 6:50:28 GMT -5
Sad to see!
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